EPTOn October 24 2012 09:46 Sufficiency wrote:
Each autoattack is 100% bonus AD ratio.
Each autoattack is 100% bonus AD ratio.
But that also applies to all the other ad casters too.
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Bwaaaa
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But that also applies to all the other ad casters too. | ||
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WhiteDog
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:46 Sufficiency wrote: Each autoattack is 100% bonus AD ratio. Ok? Autoattacks also apply on-hits 1-for-1. And Fiora's ult applies on-hits at a BETTER ratio than it does flat AD. Wit's and Triforce have better inherent cost-effectiveness than raw AD as a first damage item. In order for AD items to outperform either, you have to either have ratios that are significantly better than 1.0 AD, or be able to itemize so much offense that the multiplicative scaling of AD items outperforms their flat cost-effectiveness (basically only possible on AD carries as they can get to 3-4 pure offensive items). | ||
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Alaric
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misirlou
Portugal3308 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:49 Bwaaaa wrote: But that also applies to all the other ad casters too. fiora attacks twice as fast as every other ad caster except for lee | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:48 Zdrastochye wrote: And she has a 120% AS steroid plus 35 extra AD, making BT a lot stronger than a wits. She also has zero inherent defensive power, which means that in terms of practical teamfight ability, a 3k damage pure-offensive item as your first major item is actually very impractical. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:54 TheYango wrote: She also has zero inherent defensive power, which means that in terms of practical teamfight ability, a 3k damage pure-offensive item as your first major item is actually very impractical. Contrary to popular belief, lifesteal is a defensive stat. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:49 Requizen wrote: Because Lee, Garen, Wu, and Renek don't Auto? They do. But he was talking about ratios, and the ratios he was talking about did not take autos into consideration. It *seems* that Fiora's bonus AD ratio is 120% behind Lee Sin, but Fiora just need to auto one more time to be almost on-par with Lee Sin's bonus AD ratio. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:55 Sufficiency wrote: They do. But he was talking about ratios, and the ratios he was talking about did not take autos into consideration. It *seems* that Fiora's bonus AD ratio is 120% behind Lee Sin, but Fiora just need to auto one more time to be almost on-par with Lee Sin's bonus AD ratio. Ratios are relevant here insofar as the comparison between AD and on-hit effects (Wit's). The "advantage" of AD is that AD ratios apply pure AD but not on-hits. But regular autos apply on-hits, so for the purpose of the comparison, it's not relevant to put autoattacks into the comparison. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:55 TheYango wrote: Also, it's very misleading to treat her E as a full 120% steroid when its uptime is 3 seconds out of 11 and will in many cases be used partially for the MS steroid. Doesn't it refresh on kill/half for assist? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:36 TheYango wrote: I've been curious since day 1 why people go BT or other AD-based builds on Fiora. Her AD ratios are not that good, and her ult applies full on-hit damage but only vastly diminished AD-based damage on successive hits to the same target (and the first and last hits are required to hit the same target). Triforce, Wit's, or other mixed offensive/defensive items feel like they'd make more sense. I liked wodx build on her. early bruta, phage, lw, frozn mallet, then finishes the build up with a BT. I think tons of Arpen build works brilliantly on her, just because of her really strong flat AD steroid. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
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Also, teacher Fiora is pretty hot not gonna lie. Too bad I don't know how to play her. I also kinda regret not getting da Nidalee skin from last year, but I can't play Nidalee either. Jiji playing TF? =O | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On October 24 2012 09:44 TheYango wrote: She has a total combo ratio of 360% AD. That's fairly mediocre compared to other "AD casters". Lee has 480%, Garen has , Wukong has 670%, Renekton has 450%. A fully-charged Bloodthirster adds 240 damage to her ult. Wit's End costs significantly less, adds 210 damage, and gives you full Wit's stacks when you come out. Garen doesn't have 0 dude don't lie | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 24 2012 10:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Aphro showing why Twitch is terror. I enjoy this hipster feeling of having been right about Eve, Twitch and Kat hehe. Jiji playing TF? =O Jiji like one of the best TF players back when TF had global ult? | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On October 24 2012 10:05 wei2coolman wrote: Jiji like one of the best TF players back when TF had global ult? Yah, but he didn't adapt well to the TF Ult nerf so he stopped playing it. He does fine in solo queue but the way he handles the TF ult in 5v5 games is rather lacking. His poor laning dynamics also hurts him even more since TF is not the strongest or safest laners. Misaya is still the benchmark for TF play. I want to be like him... but can't play TF T.T. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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FR4CT4L
Australia697 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 24 2012 10:06 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Yah, but he didn't adapt well to the TF Ult nerf so he stopped playing it. He does fine in solo queue but the way he handles the TF ult in 5v5 games is rather lacking. His poor laning dynamics also hurts him even more since TF is not the strongest or safest laners. Misaya is still the benchmark for TF play. I want to be like him... but can't play TF T.T. I thought jiji still played TF in pro play with their stupid 3 teleport splitpush all fucking day all fucking night strategy? On October 24 2012 10:09 HazMat wrote: Chauster running flash. It's another win for Flash Lee Sin's. Most lee sin's run exhaust in jungle, right? I've always used flash, but i figured my play was always sub optimal this way, but used it as a crutch. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 24 2012 10:12 wei2coolman wrote: I thought jiji still played TF in pro play with their stupid 3 teleport splitpush all fucking day all fucking night strategy? Most lee sin's run exhaust in jungle, right? I've always used flash, but i figured my play was always sub optimal this way, but used it as a crutch. I've always ran Flash. Diamondprox and Chauster also run Flash so I feel validated. Chauster could have lived there, safeguarded himself instead of a creep. | ||
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wei2coolman
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