EPTGreat writeup, as always~
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Great writeup, as always~ | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:00 overt wrote: I think single elim makes it a lot more exciting. If this was double elim the grand finals would have a team up an entire bo3 which really kills a lot of the excitement for a grand finals imo. I am a big supporter of single elimination tournament structure for eSports. It simply provides the best possible competition for the viewers while simultaneously increasing the tension and pressure on the teams. Double elim just turn tournaments into marathons (it becomes a test of who can last longer) The only thing i do not like is that the group stage is Bo1, it really should be Bo2. However, I am pretty sure this is because of time restraints. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:03 nojitosunrise wrote: Double elim just turn tournaments into marathons (it becomes a test of who can last longer) That's pretty much only a product of most Western LAN events being 1-2 day affairs so they have to squeeze in an insane number of games into a short period of time. Realistically in league structures like OGN or various Chinese tournaments that play 1 match a night over an extended period of time, double elim is hardly a test of "who can last longer". Given that Riot is drawing this out over two weekends, they have plenty of time to make sure the teams are rested before their matches. On October 01 2012 06:06 overt wrote: Yeah, there's a reason why professional sports tend to shy away from double elimination tournaments. If you lose in the quarter or semi finals you weren't the best team at the tournament. Period. But that's because those events often only pay prize money for top 3 spots (and in professional sports, the money is primarily earned through sponsorships rather than prize money anyway)--so if you aren't top 3 it makes zero difference where you placed. Riot is paying vastly different amounts of prize money for EVERY spot of the tournament. So even if you wouldn't have been the best team, there's an extraordinary difference in the prize you earn for being 4th or 8th. If Riot paid out the same prize money for spots 4-12, and only differentiated 1st/2nd/3rd, I would think single elim was much more appropriate. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14049 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 01 2012 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm hoping there's going to be a lot of speshul taktiks thrown around since a lot of the top teams were practicing their stuff in secret. At the very least I'm just hoping for many exciting series! Sort of off-topic, but Neo, is there a way to find out how much new user traffic these posts (or LAN LR threads) generate? I would think that the quality of this stuff draws more and more people to the Subforum, but then again I'm not sure how many really new posters we've seen in the last little while. Maybe just more lurkers? That would be admin level access, which I don't have. Not too bothered to look into it either. Sorry. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:13 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: The lack of Dignitas fanboyism in this post is disappointing, but otherwise a nice writeup. For all you dig fans out there, I look forward to see any NA upsets. Up to scarra and co, to prove our predictions wrong. Our predictions aren't without basis. :3 | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
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petered
United States1817 Posts
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Fasterfood
Canada166 Posts
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
lets go CLG~ | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Makes me real pumped, sadly I'm busy that entire weekend D= | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 01 2012 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote: Beautiful BoonMear et al. Makes me real pumped, sadly I'm busy that entire weekend D= Need better priorities, soniv~ | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 01 2012 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote: Beautiful BoonMear et al. Makes me real pumped, sadly I'm busy that entire weekend D= iG will pick Viktor and you won't be there to see it. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 01 2012 07:21 HazMat wrote: iG will pick Viktor and you won't be there to see it. Hope this happens. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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elementz
United States281 Posts
On October 01 2012 06:06 TheYango wrote: That's pretty much only a product of most Western LAN events being 1-2 day affairs so they have to squeeze in an insane number of games into a short period of time. Realistically in league structures like OGN or various Chinese tournaments that play 1 match a night over an extended period of time, double elim is hardly a test of "who can last longer". Given that Riot is drawing this out over two weekends, they have plenty of time to make sure the teams are rested before their matches. But that's because those events often only pay prize money for top 3 spots (and in professional sports, the money is primarily earned through sponsorships rather than prize money anyway)--so if you aren't top 3 it makes zero difference where you placed. Riot is paying vastly different amounts of prize money for EVERY spot of the tournament. So even if you wouldn't have been the best team, there's an extraordinary difference in the prize you earn for being 4th or 8th. If Riot paid out the same prize money for spots 4-12, and only differentiated 1st/2nd/3rd, I would think single elim was much more appropriate. OGN was single elim and bo1 group stage as well, it adds to the tension you lose you go home, every bo3/bo5 counts. OGN had a secondary tournament running in the background for the regionals sake...GSL has been single elim forever as well. TBH double elim to me has always felt greety from the side of tournament organisers to get in more show time to show everyone. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 01 2012 07:23 Alaric wrote: You only say that because there was a compliment to Viktor in the write-up. Soniv Seal of Approval | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
My top 4: M5, Frost, TSM, CLGEU but there might be a surprise turnout, who knows | ||
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