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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 31 2012 04:55 GMT
#281
On August 31 2012 13:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
what do people think of hecarim and sejuani?


Hecarim is a strong jungler, some of the best lane ganks in the game. He's really good at snowballing your team because his W gets more ridiculous the bigger the gap is between your teams (it's already strong enough when you're even).

Sejuani is a few ill-conceived buffs away from becoming the next big jungler, but until then she's a less versatile version of Amumu.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 31 2012 04:57 GMT
#282
what if i said theyre both good, would that blow people's minds
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 31 2012 05:01 GMT
#283
they aren't though, they're both relatively
not bad in the sense that you can't play them in solo queue and win
but bad in the sense that they take much more effort/skill/finesse to win with than other champs. if you apply the same effort/skill/finesse that it takes to win with hecarim/sejuani to a stronger champ like skarner/shyvana, you'll win handily. if shyvana/skarner/udyr/mundo/other strong aoe+gank junglers see some nerfs, then hecarim and sejuani will probably align on the power level and be more viable picks

also i think sejuani has the most overrated ult in the game l0l
i used to think it was like god's gift to junglers but the particle is so slow and the effects on the auxiliary targets aren't strong enough to set anything up - in essence it's just a watered down ashe ult with a fraction of the range and much harder to hit
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 31 2012 05:04 GMT
#284
skarner and shyvanna are very overrated in 5s
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 31 2012 05:06 GMT
#285
On August 31 2012 08:53 LoCicero wrote:
I love you all. I wish I had more time to play and stream =(.

MISS YOU LOCI
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 31 2012 05:06 GMT
#286
i have a far far superior winrate with skarner/shyvana in 5s than i do solo queue, against much better opponents too. my anecdotal evidence says the opposite of yours
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 31 2012 06:08 GMT
#287
On August 31 2012 10:25 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 10:13 Chexx wrote:
michael jackson talon skin = really really nice!

It's a fan creation and not official haha



yeah i came to work and saw it on reddit. Just logged into my account there is no michael jackson skin. Made me sad :<
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
August 31 2012 06:21 GMT
#288
Need an official neil armstrong naut skin so that we can have both moon walkers in the game. That new naut in space skin shoild be renamed.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 31 2012 06:36 GMT
#289
On August 31 2012 14:04 zulu_nation8 wrote:
skarner and shyvanna are very overrated in 5s

How come?
Sure, they aren't first pick material, then again almost all junglers that are usually end up being banned (malphite, alistar). I guess Nunu isn't a permaban, but only 1 team can have Nunu, and when he is first picked he usually goes support anyways.

Shyvana gains a lot out of coordinated counterjungling attempts at early levels, you need good teamwork with middle lane to pull anything off, I don't actually see how Shyvana can be considered good OUTSIDE of 5s. Her ganks are honestly pretty awful compared to most popular junglers and she doesn't scale well enough into lategame to justify picking her UNLESS you exploit her early game.

As for Skarner, you could make an argument he is stonger in soloQ than 5s, he still remains a 2nd tier pick (after the first picks mentioned above). Outside of the first picks, his lvl3 is weaker only to Lee Sin, he can be an aggresive counterjungler against certain champs (Amumu, Maokai) if coordinated well with middle lane. His ganks are pretty scary too. In 5s I'd say he does want top lane to get teleport, but then again what midgame aggresive jungler doesn't?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 31 2012 06:55 GMT
#290
For Skarner I've faced some teams who really abuse his lack of ganking power and aggression pre 6, and then post 6, since he relies on his ult too much, there are a lot of abilities that can counter it effectively. As for counterjungling with skarner, very very difficult in 5s, in solo queue it's possible.

I think Shyvanna is good in solo queue because you can do a lot early and abuse your strong 1v1 and fast jungle. But she's inevitably weaker in team fights due to lack of cc and that becomes more apparent in 5s when people group sooner and better.

There are some junglers like as I mentioned, Hecarim and Sejuani who have good skillsets that let them have influence all game and unique strengths that you can really build a team creatively around.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 31 2012 07:04 GMT
#291
On August 31 2012 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
For Skarner I've faced some teams who really abuse his lack of ganking power and aggression pre 6, and then post 6, since he relies on his ult too much, there are a lot of abilities that can counter it effectively. As for counterjungling with skarner, very very difficult in 5s, in solo queue it's possible.

I think Shyvanna is good in solo queue because you can do a lot early and abuse your strong 1v1 and fast jungle. But she's inevitably weaker in team fights due to lack of cc and that becomes more apparent in 5s when people group sooner and better.

There are some junglers like as I mentioned, Hecarim and Sejuani who have good skillsets that let them have influence all game and unique strengths that you can really build a team creatively around.

Can you please provide an example of a team creatively build around Sejuani or Hecarim, with some short explanation to go with it? :3
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 31 2012 07:06 GMT
#292
http://www.twitch.tv/bischulol

This guy's Nidalee is making me pick up Nidalee after like a 18 month hiatus. THOSE SPEARS SO GOOD. And TIL you can pounce through wraiths with Nid.

And I thought I was good at Nid x.x
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 31 2012 07:20 GMT
#293
On August 31 2012 16:06 HazMat wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/bischulol

This guy's Nidalee is making me pick up Nidalee after like a 18 month hiatus. THOSE SPEARS SO GOOD. And TIL you can pounce through wraiths with Nid.

And I thought I was good at Nid x.x

His minimap being blocked by facebook/twitter crap greatly hinders the viewing quality though TT
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 31 2012 07:29 GMT
#294
On August 31 2012 16:20 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 16:06 HazMat wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/bischulol

This guy's Nidalee is making me pick up Nidalee after like a 18 month hiatus. THOSE SPEARS SO GOOD. And TIL you can pounce through wraiths with Nid.

And I thought I was good at Nid x.x

His minimap being blocked by facebook/twitter crap greatly hinders the viewing quality though TT

Think it's to prevent ghosting :X.
Though that's kind of weird since his stream isn't that famous.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 31 2012 07:30 GMT
#295
On August 31 2012 16:04 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
For Skarner I've faced some teams who really abuse his lack of ganking power and aggression pre 6, and then post 6, since he relies on his ult too much, there are a lot of abilities that can counter it effectively. As for counterjungling with skarner, very very difficult in 5s, in solo queue it's possible.

I think Shyvanna is good in solo queue because you can do a lot early and abuse your strong 1v1 and fast jungle. But she's inevitably weaker in team fights due to lack of cc and that becomes more apparent in 5s when people group sooner and better.

There are some junglers like as I mentioned, Hecarim and Sejuani who have good skillsets that let them have influence all game and unique strengths that you can really build a team creatively around.

Can you please provide an example of a team creatively build around Sejuani or Hecarim, with some short explanation to go with it? :3


i can tell you but then i'd have to kill you, or i can tell you when i come to EU
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 31 2012 07:35 GMT
#296
On August 31 2012 16:29 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 16:20 spinesheath wrote:
On August 31 2012 16:06 HazMat wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/bischulol

This guy's Nidalee is making me pick up Nidalee after like a 18 month hiatus. THOSE SPEARS SO GOOD. And TIL you can pounce through wraiths with Nid.

And I thought I was good at Nid x.x

His minimap being blocked by facebook/twitter crap greatly hinders the viewing quality though TT

Think it's to prevent ghosting :X.
Though that's kind of weird since his stream isn't that famous.

Yeah that's what they said on the stream chat when I asked about it too.
I feel so lost when watching LoL without a minimap though. Have no idea what is going on TT
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 31 2012 07:35 GMT
#297
On August 31 2012 16:35 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2012 16:29 HazMat wrote:
On August 31 2012 16:20 spinesheath wrote:
On August 31 2012 16:06 HazMat wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/bischulol

This guy's Nidalee is making me pick up Nidalee after like a 18 month hiatus. THOSE SPEARS SO GOOD. And TIL you can pounce through wraiths with Nid.

And I thought I was good at Nid x.x

His minimap being blocked by facebook/twitter crap greatly hinders the viewing quality though TT

Think it's to prevent ghosting :X.
Though that's kind of weird since his stream isn't that famous.

Yeah that's what they said on the stream chat when I asked about it too.
I feel so lost when watching LoL without a minimap though. Have no idea what is going on TT

Yeah it's frustrating. I just watch when he plays Nidalee to learn, lol.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
August 31 2012 07:44 GMT
#298
Does he ever play her top or does he only go Midalee?
wat
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
August 31 2012 07:46 GMT
#299
Phantomlord uses some ghost buster-overlay to keep people from ghosting on his stream, drives me crazy when he turns it on...
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 31 2012 07:51 GMT
#300
Is NA down for anyone else?
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