EPTsometimes the odd shen or malphite in there but very very few bruisers outside of irelia in which case you wouldn't want to pick garen into.
garen isn't the only guy doing 0 damage to tanks shyvana udyr skarner kinda all the same there.
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
sometimes the odd shen or malphite in there but very very few bruisers outside of irelia in which case you wouldn't want to pick garen into. garen isn't the only guy doing 0 damage to tanks shyvana udyr skarner kinda all the same there. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
the difference in CC is pretty great, can't really compare garen to the other ones, at least in terms of getting to the backline, and doing damage to squishies. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On September 12 2012 06:09 wei2coolman wrote: Shyvanna dives on carries, Udyr stuns carries, Skarner suppressed carries. Garen silences carries. the difference in CC is pretty great, can't really compare garen to the other ones. We were talking about their anti tank capabilities. If you're looking at anti carry capabilities well garen one combos carries you mad?! | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On September 12 2012 05:44 wei2coolman wrote: The most interesting stat from that is the % change with 40% cdr. It definitely helps clarify which champs that CDR is really good for, making DFG a more obvious pick for some champs. I realize a lot of people will disagree with this but since the re-make I think DFG is practically core on most mid APs. For most mids it's more of a question as to when you get it rather than if. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 12 2012 06:10 Slayer91 wrote: We were talking about their anti tank capabilities. If you're looking at anti carry capabilities well garen one combos carries you mad?! Well the difference, is Garen gets owned against tanky teams since he has difficulty getting to carries/squishies. The other champs can ignore tanks for the most part, as part of their damage output. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I mean, Darius is if I can burst them down through the sustain and ignite the heals or something, but that's not always reliable. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 12 2012 06:15 overt wrote: I realize a lot of people will disagree with this but since the re-make I think DFG is practically core on most mid APs. For most mids it's more of a question as to when you get it rather than if. I think that statement is even more true, due to the abyssal nerf, but there are still a chunk of champions that don't benefit that greatly from DFG, but those champions usually benefit from Athene's, so the most important part is that CDR. Great endgame items with cdr, is what makes dfg and athene's really important for a lot of current champs. | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On September 12 2012 05:44 wei2coolman wrote: The most interesting stat from that is the % change with 40% cdr. It definitely helps clarify which champs that CDR is really good for, making DFG a more obvious pick for some champs. Well, out of the ones that get more than 66% more damage from cdr no one really wants DFG. Only maybe Katarina. I'd get Athenes on Ziggs. On the other hand Diana is only at 38% on that chart, but DFG is pretty core on her. I find many numbers on that table to be very missleading since you gotta take into account way more than those numbers and it's impossible to quanitify a lot of the things that go into the decisions for builds. One thing that you can see nicely is that Cassio and Karthus sustained damage is much higher than that of other aps if you look at ap/s. Who would have guessed. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 12 2012 06:15 overt wrote: I realize a lot of people will disagree with this but since the re-make I think DFG is practically core on most mid APs. For most mids it's more of a question as to when you get it rather than if. I'd build DFG on a fuckload of champs even before its remake. Also I didn't look that hard at Garen's rework but once I did, wtf. His W's passive scales so well in the late game. o_o Good thing you only max it last. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On September 12 2012 05:56 red_ wrote: That page obviously legitimizes all the AP Nasus I trolled around with for awhile, check dat ratio dudes. Its more along the lines of "If you would be building AP, would you want to tradeoff pure AP by getting CDR." So that statement would only be true if you intended to build Nasus AP...which is your decision I suppose. It's one of my friend's favorite troll builds. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
boots- kage-doran's sorc's-DFG deathcap? lich bane? abyssal? void staff? | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On September 12 2012 06:50 Alaric wrote: Also I didn't look that hard at Garen's rework but once I did, wtf. His W's passive scales so well in the late game. o_o Good thing you only max it last. The 20% resist buff and 30% damage reduction are both flat. The only thing that scales with levels is the invincibility duration. Real 1 point wonder. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On September 12 2012 07:10 xes wrote: The 20% resist buff and 30% damage reduction are both flat. The only thing that scales with levels is the invincibility duration. Real 1 point wonder. but the cooldown goes from 24 seconds all the way down to 20! (though Alaric is really just pointing out how well it scales with the total gold in the game, in terms of EHP gained and damage mitigated) On September 12 2012 07:09 kainzero wrote: what's the mid ap eve build? boots- kage-doran's sorc's-DFG deathcap? lich bane? abyssal? void staff? Sounds about right, though lichbane isn't that great on Evelynn unless you've got a big lead (i.e. you will live longer than 3 seconds diving into the enemy team). Since you want to burst people down, you'd only get one or two procs off, and it involves getting extremely close, instead of kiting them at hate spike range (a surprising 500). Even Ravage has 100 more range than her autos. Only get it if the enemy went pure MR imo. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 12 2012 07:09 kainzero wrote: what's the mid ap eve build? boots- kage-doran's sorc's-DFG deathcap? lich bane? abyssal? void staff? http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21590107#history can be a reference. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
works pretty much for everything, sometimes you want an abyssal after dfg though. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Lee Sin Mundo Shyvana Udyr Skarner Nunu | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On September 12 2012 09:44 Shiragaku wrote: Okay guys, I am trying to figure out which junglers automatically counter-pick Amumu. Would this list be correct? Lee Sin Mundo Shyvana Udyr Skarner Nunu They counter-pick Amumu in the sense they can counterjungle the fuck out of him if he's not prepared for it, but in team fights he's more useful in/against certain teamcomps than most of those junglers | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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