• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:13
CEST 15:13
KST 22:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun9[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists21[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) WardiTV Spring Cup RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
[TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator ASL21 General Discussion JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review Missed out on ASL tickets - what are my options? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Korean KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2222 users

[Patch 1.0.0.139: Spectator Mode] General Discussion - Pag…

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 217 218 219 220 221 225 Next
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
May 22 2012 04:39 GMT
#4361
Does it honestly matter why people switched? Do you guys really crave "drama" that much? ._.

Imo Dignitas came out weakest from this trade as Crs needed someone strong to call shots and Saint was a good pickup there. Voyoby is a really good toplane, and even though they had to shuffel Hsgg to jungle I think he'll be able to adapt to that now that he is actually forced to main another role, something he hasnt really been forced to do before (playing support 1-10 games doesnt count as he could always claim to suck at it and switch back to top lane, which is something he cant do now if he wishes to keep playing). So he has been pushed out of his comfortzone forcing him to learn something new or go down trying. Crumbzz is a completely okay player, but I dont think that he really contributes anything new to what was allready a pretty solid Dignitas lineup.
washed
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
May 22 2012 04:48 GMT
#4362
What do you guys think of Elementz tier list?
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
May 22 2012 04:53 GMT
#4363
i understand why hsgg's ego makes him think he will quickly learn to jungle at a high enough level not to drag a top team like CLG down, but i have no idea why anyone else would share this opinion.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
May 22 2012 04:57 GMT
#4364
On May 22 2012 13:48 Dark_Chill wrote:
What do you guys think of Elementz tier list?

It's garbage.
twitch.tv/cratonz
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
May 22 2012 05:12 GMT
#4365
On May 22 2012 13:53 chalice wrote:
i understand why hsgg's ego makes him think he will quickly learn to jungle at a high enough level not to drag a top team like CLG down, but i have no idea why anyone else would share this opinion.


I doubt anyone else thinks that dropping SV was the best decision, but something needed to change, they have absolutely no synergy and SV/HSGG/Chauster just argue non-stop. In the end hsgg owns the team and he made the decision to drop SV - there was probably zero input from SV and he might have consulted the other guys but I don't think it mattered to much what they wanted. Chauster recognises that they have a very low chance of being competitive for the rest of season and I don't think anyone expects HSGG to become a competitive jungler for long time.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 22 2012 05:32 GMT
#4366
On May 22 2012 13:39 Vlanitak wrote:
Does it honestly matter why people switched? Do you guys really crave "drama" that much? ._.

Imo Dignitas came out weakest from this trade as Crs needed someone strong to call shots and Saint was a good pickup there. Voyoby is a really good toplane, and even though they had to shuffel Hsgg to jungle I think he'll be able to adapt to that now that he is actually forced to main another role, something he hasnt really been forced to do before (playing support 1-10 games doesnt count as he could always claim to suck at it and switch back to top lane, which is something he cant do now if he wishes to keep playing). So he has been pushed out of his comfortzone forcing him to learn something new or go down trying. Crumbzz is a completely okay player, but I dont think that he really contributes anything new to what was allready a pretty solid Dignitas lineup.

You're expecting Hotshot to clean up his act, practice properly and have a better attitude just because of a role change when CLG has been trying to do that since forever?

Quite honestly, I think the only reason Hotshot is where he was is because of his vast experience. CLG's practicing habits and attitudes are garbage. If you throw Hotshot back to square 1, he's simply not going to improve as quickly as anyone else in the scene who practices better and has a better attitude.
Moderator
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
May 22 2012 05:56 GMT
#4367
On May 22 2012 13:39 Vlanitak wrote:
Does it honestly matter why people switched? Do you guys really crave "drama" that much? ._.


Yes it matters. People have invested interest in the teams and players, would you be so down putting of such "drama" if it was any other sport? Of course it bloody well matters why people switched. It's not drama to want information and discuss potential possibilities of change-ups to teams and players. It's an interesting subject. How could it not be? Why wouldn't people want to share thoughts and possible ramifications of a shake up of this level.

I don't mean to single you out like that but yeah, I just think it's just annoying to me that somehow wanting to be informed about things you enjoy is considered drama.

If this was personal life ala what's Progamer is dating who I'd be more inclined to agree but this is pretty topical I feel.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
May 22 2012 06:11 GMT
#4368
I honestly feel that the SV, chauster, and hsgg bickering would not be that bad, if any of them were willing to step down if they get proven wrong, or at least admit to both parties being wrong. If they were able to turn that bickering into something constructive, they would have went far.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 06:12:55
May 22 2012 06:12 GMT
#4369
On May 22 2012 14:56 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 13:39 Vlanitak wrote:
Does it honestly matter why people switched? Do you guys really crave "drama" that much? ._.


Yes it matters. People have invested interest in the teams and players, would you be so down putting of such "drama" if it was any other sport? Of course it bloody well matters why people switched. It's not drama to want information and discuss potential possibilities of change-ups to teams and players. It's an interesting subject. How could it not be? Why wouldn't people want to share thoughts and possible ramifications of a shake up of this level.

I don't mean to single you out like that but yeah, I just think it's just annoying to me that somehow wanting to be informed about things you enjoy is considered drama.

If this was personal life ala what's Progamer is dating who I'd be more inclined to agree but this is pretty topical I feel.


The only reason I watch competitive LoL is because I know the players. It's why I don't enjoy watching EU teams. I don't know much about the top EU teams so I don't care who wins or loses. Only EU team I watch is M5 because I've watched them enough to know who they are and what kind of players they are.

Having someone to root for is the whole point of watching sports imo.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 06:16:50
May 22 2012 06:16 GMT
#4370
Crs I think is stronger than they were. They needed a shot caller, they got one. They really need to practice though. You can just see they really don't have their mechanics fine tuned or move as a team (split too much).

Dignatas is the same strength, maybe slightly weaker only because I think Voy is a better top laner at peak than Crumbz is atm, but Voy has been in kind of a slump so it sort of evens out.

CLG is a lot weaker atm. IF Hotshot does actually put in a LOT of effort to improve and become a good jungler, then they should be a pretty good team though. Both Voy and jiji are really chill and generally listen, DL + Chauster together are a strong pair, and so if hotshot becomes a good player him + chauster can pretty easily lead the team. The problem is, it's hotshot. l0l He literally just sits in Voy's lane for 10 minutes and then complains when the rest of the map is failing lol.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
May 22 2012 06:30 GMT
#4371
Where have all the insightful high level streamers gone lately? Some nights i just want to chill out and watch a stream but I can't find any that I enjoy. I loved watching wings, scarra, and voyboy in particular but lately they've all been missing :\ I watch shake and smash too but they've been streaming less often lately too it seems D:

Can anyone recommend me some high ELO streams in which the player commentates insightfully on his play?
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
May 22 2012 06:34 GMT
#4372
Crs biggest problem really is sydtko, unless they replace him they wont be winning shit if pobelter can't play. Unless he magically gets way way better.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
May 22 2012 06:38 GMT
#4373
crumbz. except atm hes getting trolled by voyboy hotshot duo cuz voyboy didnt get toplane lols.
GANDHISAUCE
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
May 22 2012 06:50 GMT
#4374
Can someone explain to me Saintvicious's constant coughing? Dude does a little *cough* every 30 seconds...
Retvrn to Forvms
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 22 2012 07:03 GMT
#4375
On May 22 2012 15:50 Chrispy wrote:
Can someone explain to me Saintvicious's constant coughing? Dude does a little *cough* every 30 seconds...


Does he smoke?
danana
Profile Joined March 2011
United States321 Posts
May 22 2012 07:06 GMT
#4376
so i usually don't watch hotshot stream, but im interested to see how bad his jungle is. anyone know what this stuff he's watching on youtube is?

also, LOL he accidentally bought dshield as first item. guess he's gotten too much in the habit of buying them.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 22 2012 07:07 GMT
#4377
On May 22 2012 16:06 danana wrote:
so i usually don't watch hotshot stream, but im interested to see how bad his jungle is. anyone know what this stuff he's watching on youtube is?

also, LOL he accidentally bought dshield as first item. guess he's gotten too much in the habit of buying them.


Youtube vid of Diablo lore from original diablo to present day diablo 3.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 22 2012 07:08 GMT
#4378
On May 22 2012 16:06 danana wrote:
so i usually don't watch hotshot stream, but im interested to see how bad his jungle is. anyone know what this stuff he's watching on youtube is?

also, LOL he accidentally bought dshield as first item. guess he's gotten too much in the habit of buying them.

He's been buying DShields in like every jungle game today.
God Bless
danana
Profile Joined March 2011
United States321 Posts
May 22 2012 07:21 GMT
#4379
On May 22 2012 16:08 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 16:06 danana wrote:
so i usually don't watch hotshot stream, but im interested to see how bad his jungle is. anyone know what this stuff he's watching on youtube is?

also, LOL he accidentally bought dshield as first item. guess he's gotten too much in the habit of buying them.

He's been buying DShields in like every jungle game today.


Oh, well he claimed it was a misclick... but then he bought another dshield 15 minutes into the game. he's one of those people where i just have no clue what goes on in his head.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
May 22 2012 07:27 GMT
#4380
IMO team chemistry issues are cancerous so every team should come out stronger in the long run if these chemistry issues they had to begin with are solved.
Prev 1 217 218 219 220 221 225 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Gabe
12:00
Big Gabe Open #1
mouzHeroMarine569
IndyStarCraft 131
TKL 54
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 569
Ryung 304
IndyStarCraft 131
TKL 54
herO (SOOP) 33
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6076
Jaedong 2559
Sea 2331
GuemChi 1182
HiyA 733
EffOrt 634
Soma 513
Hyuk 491
Stork 388
Light 362
[ Show more ]
Snow 351
actioN 263
ggaemo 261
ZerO 220
Zeus 191
Rush 178
Last 176
Soulkey 169
Mini 161
ToSsGirL 150
Larva 144
firebathero 128
hero 81
Pusan 70
Sharp 59
sSak 52
Sea.KH 47
sorry 36
Backho 33
Barracks 33
yabsab 26
Bale 24
Terrorterran 24
Sacsri 23
Shinee 23
Shine 22
Free 21
Sexy 20
scan(afreeca) 19
Noble 16
Movie 15
IntoTheRainbow 14
soO 13
GoRush 9
Dota 2
XaKoH 451
ODPixel142
BananaSlamJamma94
Counter-Strike
olofmeister3146
zeus637
x6flipin602
markeloff187
edward75
kRYSTAL_27
Other Games
singsing2528
B2W.Neo1437
hiko534
Lowko388
DeMusliM336
crisheroes287
Livibee31
ZerO(Twitch)19
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 1147
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream69
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 39
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1431
• TFBlade1319
Counter-Strike
• Nemesis1175
Other Games
• WagamamaTV352
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
19h 47m
Escore
20h 47m
OSC
23h 47m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
RSL Revival
1d 20h
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
1d 21h
IPSL
2 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
IPSL
3 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
GSL
5 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
6 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-29
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.