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I have a problem that I would like some opinions on. I play ranked 5's with four friends, and one of them is, tbh, completely horrible to the point that he is depressing to play with  He has probably around 600 normal wins and he still doesn't know a lot of champion's abilities, what certain items are, he always has to ask what he should buy, etc. Basically, his game knowledge is zilch. He's also super defensive. Whenever he messes up or dies his response is always "THERE'S NOTHING I COULD HAVE DONE. NOT A DAMN THING I COULD HAVE DONE" or something to that a effect.
God knows why but he claimed top as his feeding grounds. He has no clue how to lane. He'd ask what items he should buy and, for example, once we told him to build wriggles and phage. So he builds Frozen Mallet and finally gets wriggles like 25 minutes in x_x After inevitably giving up first blood he won't change his playstyle at all and just dies 4 or 5 more times and rages that he can't do anything. This is sad considering he main'd Yorick for quite a while and still managed to never go even in his lane much less win it.
Originally I reluctantly volunteered to play support solely because I knew he would never agree to do it ("I'm not going to play some useless fucking support character!") but I'm getting sick of seeing how bad he's doing knowing that I could do a helluva lot better.
So, my question is: What the hell do we do with him?
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On April 26 2012 15:01 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 14:52 Node wrote:
Anybody else see the baron steal Salce just pulled with TF on his stream? Wowza. Yup, epic stuff ;D
What exactly did he do? I wasn't watching but sounds interesting.
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On April 26 2012 09:51 vertigo1 wrote:
i really want to try karma, but ive heard shes awful in the extreme. is it worth seeing for myself?
ALWAYS HEAL ALWAYS SHIELD NEVER DIE.
Huehue.
She won't 100-0 somebody but she still hits damn hard with mantra charges, and going WRE on your bruiser when he dives the enemy team can produce hilarious results. She farms/pushes like a boss too.
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On April 26 2012 15:34 Hyren wrote:I have a problem that I would like some opinions on. I play ranked 5's with four friends, and one of them is, tbh, completely horrible to the point that he is depressing to play with He has probably around 600 normal wins and he still doesn't know a lot of champion's abilities, what certain items are, he always has to ask what he should buy, etc. Basically, his game knowledge is zilch. He's also super defensive. Whenever he messes up or dies his response is always "THERE'S NOTHING I COULD HAVE DONE. NOT A DAMN THING I COULD HAVE DONE" or something to that a effect. God knows why but he claimed top as his feeding grounds. He has no clue how to lane. He'd ask what items he should buy and, for example, once we told him to build wriggles and phage. So he builds Frozen Mallet and finally gets wriggles like 25 minutes in x_x After inevitably giving up first blood he won't change his playstyle at all and just dies 4 or 5 more times and rages that he can't do anything. This is sad considering he main'd Yorick for quite a while and still managed to never go even in his lane much less win it. Originally I reluctantly volunteered to play support solely because I knew he would never agree to do it ("I'm not going to play some useless fucking support character!") but I'm getting sick of seeing how bad he's doing knowing that I could do a helluva lot better. So, my question is: What the hell do we do with him?
Find someone to replace him, I guess? If you are truly not enjoying your games because of his presence, tell him sorry but you're gone
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On April 26 2012 15:34 Hyren wrote:I have a problem that I would like some opinions on. I play ranked 5's with four friends, and one of them is, tbh, completely horrible to the point that he is depressing to play with He has probably around 600 normal wins and he still doesn't know a lot of champion's abilities, what certain items are, he always has to ask what he should buy, etc. Basically, his game knowledge is zilch. He's also super defensive. Whenever he messes up or dies his response is always "THERE'S NOTHING I COULD HAVE DONE. NOT A DAMN THING I COULD HAVE DONE" or something to that a effect. God knows why but he claimed top as his feeding grounds. He has no clue how to lane. He'd ask what items he should buy and, for example, once we told him to build wriggles and phage. So he builds Frozen Mallet and finally gets wriggles like 25 minutes in x_x After inevitably giving up first blood he won't change his playstyle at all and just dies 4 or 5 more times and rages that he can't do anything. This is sad considering he main'd Yorick for quite a while and still managed to never go even in his lane much less win it. Originally I reluctantly volunteered to play support solely because I knew he would never agree to do it ("I'm not going to play some useless fucking support character!") but I'm getting sick of seeing how bad he's doing knowing that I could do a helluva lot better. So, my question is: What the hell do we do with him?
Try talking to your other teammates and getting their opinions if they agree then talk to him as a group and force him to accept that he's bad, try to hold the floor I would guess that he would try to take it to defend himself and ruin the whole conversation.
That's how I would approach it, but I'm pretty blunt and harsh I'm the type of person that would say you're off the team without much guilt.
Another way to go about it would be give him as much information as you can if he doesn't know what to build tell him to get wriggles and then what order to get the components in. If he is losing his lane tell him to play more aggressive/more passively and tell him how like throw a spear in his face or only cs with abilities or something. Hopefully he would learn and get better.
EDIT: KEEP RECORDS so many times people will fuck up one thing constantly and say ''name one fucking time'' KEEP RECORDS ''name one fucking time'' here's 6 replays.
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So I bought Hecarim the other day, and in ranked games I actually feel worthless. Is this hero just shit or am I doing something wrong?
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@Hyren: Thats quite depressing. You guys should just be honest with him, tell him hes bad and tell him how can you guys win when he feed like crazy. Also, support is not easy role to play, a good support vs a bad one is the world difference. I doubt your friend, lake of champ knowledge is gonna make a good support.
You should encourage him to play solo Q, so people will shit on him and he will realize that he sucks and will try to improve.
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On April 26 2012 15:59 Masq wrote:
So I bought Hecarim the other day, and in ranked games I actually feel worthless. Is this hero just shit or am I doing something wrong?
he's pretty bad, don't feel bad if you can't make him work
he's not as bad as i initially thought, but still nowhere near the level of the farming jungles and simply not as strong of a gank as many of the ganking jungles because of the weird angles you have to force
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Those Hecarims...
Everytime i have one in my team they won't get anything done, untill now i just met 2 good Hecarims (both on enemy team ofc...^^)
But those two have been super scary... a good Hecarim is really hard to deal with :S
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@Hyren just tell him you guys are going to use the sub guy you got a Kiev when Pobelter can't come problem solved.
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On April 26 2012 16:11 Slusher wrote:
@Hyren just tell him you guys are going to use the sub guy you got a Kiev when Pobelter can't come problem solved.
holy shit this is the best post
i laughed so hard
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On April 26 2012 15:39 MooMooMugi wrote:
Find someone to replace him, I guess? If you are truly not enjoying your games because of his presence, tell him sorry but you're gone
This is a possibility that is being looked into, but its hard to tell an irl friend that he isn't good enough to play with you. Maybe i'm just a softie. Also getting someone new would likely mean shifting roles around to fit.
On April 26 2012 15:45 valheru wrote:
Try talking to your other teammates and getting their opinions if they agree then talk to him as a group and force him to accept that he's bad, try to hold the floor I would guess that he would try to take it to defend himself and ruin the whole conversation.
That's how I would approach it, but I'm pretty blunt and harsh I'm the type of person that would say you're off the team without much guilt.
Another way to go about it would be give him as much information as you can if he doesn't know what to build tell him to get wriggles and then what order to get the components in. If he is losing his lane tell him to play more aggressive/more passively and tell him how like throw a spear in his face or only cs with abilities or something. Hopefully he would learn and get better.
EDIT: KEEP RECORDS so many times people will fuck up one thing constantly and say ''name one fucking time'' KEEP RECORDS ''name one fucking time'' here's 6 replays.
Its unanimous, an elephant in the room you could say. But yeah I will feel guilty if it comes to that. Getting him to watch replays could be a good idea though.
On April 26 2012 16:06 Caphe wrote:
@Hyren: Thats quite depressing. You guys should just be honest with him, tell him hes bad and tell him how can you guys win when he feed like crazy. Also, support is not easy role to play, a good support vs a bad one is the world difference. I doubt your friend, lake of champ knowledge is gonna make a good support.
You should encourage him to play solo Q, so people will shit on him and he will realize that he sucks and will try to improve.
I agree that support isn't easy but there's at least fewer ways to mess up playing Soraka or Sona if you know what I mean. Also from playing support I've often gotten the feeling that I'm working hard to outplay the other support but at the end of the day I'm still limited in what I can do.
On April 26 2012 16:11 Slusher wrote:
@Hyren just tell him you guys are going to use the sub guy you got a Kiev when Pobelter can't come problem solved.
LOL
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On April 26 2012 16:31 Hyren wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 16:06 Caphe wrote:
@Hyren: Thats quite depressing. You guys should just be honest with him, tell him hes bad and tell him how can you guys win when he feed like crazy. Also, support is not easy role to play, a good support vs a bad one is the world difference. I doubt your friend, lake of champ knowledge is gonna make a good support.
You should encourage him to play solo Q, so people will shit on him and he will realize that he sucks and will try to improve.
I agree that support isn't easy but there's at least fewer ways to mess up playing Soraka or Sona if you know what I mean. Also from playing support I've often gotten the feeling that I'm working hard to outplay the other support but at the end of the day I'm still limited in what I can do.
I feel that you're really underestimating the importance of having a good support player.
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On April 26 2012 16:31 Hyren wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 15:39 MooMooMugi wrote:
Find someone to replace him, I guess? If you are truly not enjoying your games because of his presence, tell him sorry but you're gone This is a possibility that is being looked into, but its hard to tell an irl friend that he isn't good enough to play with you. Maybe i'm just a softie. Also getting someone new would likely mean shifting roles around to fit. Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 15:45 valheru wrote:
Try talking to your other teammates and getting their opinions if they agree then talk to him as a group and force him to accept that he's bad, try to hold the floor I would guess that he would try to take it to defend himself and ruin the whole conversation.
That's how I would approach it, but I'm pretty blunt and harsh I'm the type of person that would say you're off the team without much guilt.
Another way to go about it would be give him as much information as you can if he doesn't know what to build tell him to get wriggles and then what order to get the components in. If he is losing his lane tell him to play more aggressive/more passively and tell him how like throw a spear in his face or only cs with abilities or something. Hopefully he would learn and get better.
EDIT: KEEP RECORDS so many times people will fuck up one thing constantly and say ''name one fucking time'' KEEP RECORDS ''name one fucking time'' here's 6 replays. Its unanimous, an elephant in the room you could say. But yeah I will feel guilty if it comes to that. Getting him to watch replays could be a good idea though. Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 16:06 Caphe wrote:
@Hyren: Thats quite depressing. You guys should just be honest with him, tell him hes bad and tell him how can you guys win when he feed like crazy. Also, support is not easy role to play, a good support vs a bad one is the world difference. I doubt your friend, lake of champ knowledge is gonna make a good support.
You should encourage him to play solo Q, so people will shit on him and he will realize that he sucks and will try to improve.
I agree that support isn't easy but there's at least fewer ways to mess up playing Soraka or Sona if you know what I mean. Also from playing support I've often gotten the feeling that I'm working hard to outplay the other support but at the end of the day I'm still limited in what I can do. Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 16:11 Slusher wrote:
@Hyren just tell him you guys are going to use the sub guy you got a Kiev when Pobelter can't come problem solved. LOL
As sad it might be but if you are aiming for competive play or atleast higher level of play either he should start learning stuff and try to get motivated, motivation would be best since he's your irl friend, but also he has to understand if your goals are much higher than his maybe he really should be dropped out and you play with him just random games..? Just my opinion 
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Your options are either to ditch him, teach him if you can, or go on a smurf and then carry the crap out of him. Some people can't be helped because their bad AND refuse to listen
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On April 26 2012 16:11 Slusher wrote:
@Hyren just tell him you guys are going to use the sub guy you got a Kiev when Pobelter can't come problem solved.
most beast post holy shit...
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in the patch preview they said they're going do something about snowball effect. Like giving more reward if you kill someone fed, and to be able to comeback. I wonder if it made any change, are tournament games more interesting? or is everything still decided in first 15 min?
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On April 26 2012 17:28 bokeevboke wrote:
in the patch preview they said they're going do something about snowball effect. Like giving more reward if you kill someone fed, and to be able to comeback. I wonder if it made any change, are tournament games more interesting? or is everything still decided in first 15 min?
You get less experience for killing lower level heroes and more for killing higher level heroes (+- 2 levels before it's significant). Basically it will have very little impact on snowball victories - the ones where it the other team becomes pretty much untouchable.
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On April 26 2012 15:34 Hyren wrote:I have a problem that I would like some opinions on. I play ranked 5's with four friends, and one of them is, tbh, completely horrible to the point that he is depressing to play with He has probably around 600 normal wins and he still doesn't know a lot of champion's abilities, what certain items are, he always has to ask what he should buy, etc. Basically, his game knowledge is zilch. He's also super defensive. Whenever he messes up or dies his response is always "THERE'S NOTHING I COULD HAVE DONE. NOT A DAMN THING I COULD HAVE DONE" or something to that a effect. God knows why but he claimed top as his feeding grounds. He has no clue how to lane. He'd ask what items he should buy and, for example, once we told him to build wriggles and phage. So he builds Frozen Mallet and finally gets wriggles like 25 minutes in x_x After inevitably giving up first blood he won't change his playstyle at all and just dies 4 or 5 more times and rages that he can't do anything. This is sad considering he main'd Yorick for quite a while and still managed to never go even in his lane much less win it. Originally I reluctantly volunteered to play support solely because I knew he would never agree to do it ("I'm not going to play some useless fucking support character!") but I'm getting sick of seeing how bad he's doing knowing that I could do a helluva lot better. So, my question is: What the hell do we do with him?
Show him HotShot's quote where he says practicing 1v1 laning was very useful for top lane.
Then proceed to crush him top vs top in custom. Not sure how this would help but it would be very satisfying.
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