EPT[Patch 1.0.0.138: Hecarim] General Discussion - Page 100
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
doesnt deceive give extra crit damage also? | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
It sounds fun though, especially with an IE. Landing a Deceive from behind at that point means you do 378.61% of a normal auto-attack's damage. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On April 26 2012 08:07 Seuss wrote: For reference, crit damage stacks additively with Shaco's Deceive. Thus the effectiveness of crit damage runes doesn't increase with higher ranks. So at rank 1 it's 40% + 45.51% with runes, but at rank 5 it's still 120% + 45.51%. It sounds fun though, especially with an IE. Landing a Deceive from behind at that point means you do 378.61% of a normal auto-attack's damage. i thought they changed it so decieve didn't apply crit dmg a long time ago? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
edit2: the actual wiki bullet that i meant to put in - Deceive's damage bonus replaces the normal critical strike modifier, causing it to actually do less than a normal critical until the skill is at least at rank 4. It is affected by critical damage bonuses like Infinity Edge. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Riot #1 | ||
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
His next auto-attack in the next 6 seconds will critically strike with modified critical damage (normal critical strikes are 200% damage), dealing physical damage and ending his stealth. | ||
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Hexaflex
United Kingdom70 Posts
Same way I still call Zeke's Stark's. As long as everyone knows what we're talking about it doesn't matter. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
83 base ad at level 9 + 15 from runes, +3 from offense, 101 total. 10% crit damage from masteries. level 5 deceive. 253 damage. +50 +18 from two shiv, 321 total damage. Level 5 shivs. 151 deceive damage. 210 + 18 from shiv, 379 total damage. Crit damage runes 83 base ad at level 9 +3 from offense, 86 total. 55.5% crit damage from masteries and runes. level 5 deceive. 237 damage. +50 +3 from two shiv, 290 total damage. Level 5 shivs. 168 deceive damage. 210 + 3 from shiv, 381 total damage. If you have items (in retrospect I shoulda had them in the math), I can see the crit damage runes outdamaging flat ad, potentially by a lot, but you would still want to level shiv first since you're getting absolutely nothing from leveling deceive. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On April 26 2012 09:02 Juicyfruit wrote: What about at level 1? who cares | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Because that might be the whole point? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
I'd imagine deceive would be better considering how lvl 1 deceive with those runes means you get a 45% damage boost, while two-shiv scales off AD. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 26 2012 08:42 Shifft wrote: Seems pretty clear from the spell description on league wiki that it is in fact a crit just with a different damage modifier: Which makes it not a crit. Crit is 2x damage. Anything else is called bonus damage. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On April 26 2012 09:06 Ryuu314 wrote: I'd imagine deceive would be better considering how lvl 1 deceive with those runes means you get a 45% damage boost, while two-shiv scales off AD. Well I imagine if you're running those runes that your gameplan is simply to try and win your lane early on with ridiculous backstabbed deceive damage. | ||
Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On April 26 2012 09:07 Two_DoWn wrote: Which makes it not a crit. Crit is 2x damage. Anything else is called bonus damage. Unless you have an IE, or Crit Damage runes. In which case you have a supercrit! | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 26 2012 09:12 Terranasaur wrote: Unless you have an IE, or Crit Damage runes. In which case you have a supercrit! Or Decieve on level 1 for a minicrit! It's a stupid system in the first place, but if they didn't want it to be a crit, they'd have designed it like Vayne's Q | ||
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