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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 26 2012 00:21 GMT
#2001
From the LoL wiki:

"The bonus critical strike damage from Infinity Edge will apply on critical hits from Deceive, in addition to the bonus damage the ability gives."

Someone's presumably done the testing on this, though that's been there since at least June 2010, and Riot may have ninja-nerfed it somewhere between then and now.
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Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
April 26 2012 00:21 GMT
#2002
I actually don't know a lot of this stuff, but the UI is making them show up... How does Deceive interact with IE? Does is just get 50% bonus crit damage or what?

Also, can wriggles/sheen procs crit? I was playing Twitch last night with a wriggles and a zeal and was critting minions for numbers very different from 2x my normal AD.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 26 2012 00:27 GMT
#2003
On April 26 2012 09:21 Terranasaur wrote:
I actually don't know a lot of this stuff, but the UI is making them show up... How does Deceive interact with IE? Does is just get 50% bonus crit damage or what?

Also, can wriggles/sheen procs crit? I was playing Twitch last night with a wriggles and a zeal and was critting minions for numbers very different from 2x my normal AD.

The wriggles proc is an additional amount of magic damage done to the minion. The sheen proc basically adds your base AD to your next hit. So to answer your question, no, it doesn't crit.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
April 26 2012 00:28 GMT
#2004
They nerfed a little bug where Shaco's Decieve used to do extra damage ontop of the bonus crit if you hit someone from a certain angle, not from behind btw
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
April 26 2012 00:35 GMT
#2005
On April 26 2012 09:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 08:42 Shifft wrote:
Seems pretty clear from the spell description on league wiki that it is in fact a crit just with a different damage modifier:

His next auto-attack in the next 6 seconds will critically strike with modified critical damage (normal critical strikes are 200% damage), dealing physical damage and ending his stealth.

Which makes it not a crit. Crit is 2x damage. Anything else is called bonus damage.


shacos q tells you you will crit for 150% damage at rank 1
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
April 26 2012 00:39 GMT
#2006
I'm going to make a smurf named "King Dedede" and build a phage every game.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
vertigo1
Profile Joined October 2010
Scotland174 Posts
April 26 2012 00:51 GMT
#2007
i really want to try karma, but ive heard shes awful in the extreme. is it worth seeing for myself?
trolling is a art
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
April 26 2012 00:51 GMT
#2008
On April 26 2012 09:27 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 09:21 Terranasaur wrote:
I actually don't know a lot of this stuff, but the UI is making them show up... How does Deceive interact with IE? Does is just get 50% bonus crit damage or what?

Also, can wriggles/sheen procs crit? I was playing Twitch last night with a wriggles and a zeal and was critting minions for numbers very different from 2x my normal AD.

The wriggles proc is an additional amount of magic damage done to the minion. The sheen proc basically adds your base AD to your next hit. So to answer your question, no, it doesn't crit.


That said, Sheen procs and similar effects (e.g. Nasus Q) are still added into the number that appears, even though they don't do additional damage on a crit. That's why your crit numbers are higher with a Sheen, even though Sheen's damage isn't doubled.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 26 2012 00:59 GMT
#2009
On April 26 2012 09:51 vertigo1 wrote:
i really want to try karma, but ive heard shes awful in the extreme. is it worth seeing for myself?

imo she's similar to AP lulu, and Ap soraka (mid). Strong laning phase, strong midgame aoe damage output. Lategame damage output is weaker, but offers a lot of fucking utility to your team.

However her botlane support sucks bawlz.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 26 2012 01:07 GMT
#2010
Her bot lane support is just fine. Don't play her as a sustain champ. Max Q first, instead of E. Learn the angles of how Q works and poke in lane at levels 3 and 5 for big damages.
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Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
April 26 2012 01:12 GMT
#2011
On April 26 2012 09:51 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 09:27 Ryuu314 wrote:
On April 26 2012 09:21 Terranasaur wrote:
I actually don't know a lot of this stuff, but the UI is making them show up... How does Deceive interact with IE? Does is just get 50% bonus crit damage or what?

Also, can wriggles/sheen procs crit? I was playing Twitch last night with a wriggles and a zeal and was critting minions for numbers very different from 2x my normal AD.

The wriggles proc is an additional amount of magic damage done to the minion. The sheen proc basically adds your base AD to your next hit. So to answer your question, no, it doesn't crit.


That said, Sheen procs and similar effects (e.g. Nasus Q) are still added into the number that appears, even though they don't do additional damage on a crit. That's why your crit numbers are higher with a Sheen, even though Sheen's damage isn't doubled.


That's gotta be it. I kept seeing these 1k crits even though my AD was only like 260.
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
April 26 2012 02:37 GMT
#2012
On April 26 2012 09:03 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 09:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
On April 26 2012 09:02 Juicyfruit wrote:
What about at level 1?


who cares


Because that might be the whole point?


lol what. you're going to just deceive at someone at level one? That's totally worthless.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 02:52:55
April 26 2012 02:42 GMT
#2013

Hey I am trying to stream and for some reason there is a lot of background noise from my mic and I am wondering if anyone knows why that would happen?

I figured it out:

I have to boost my mic by 30db just to be heard clearly, having it that high creates feedback. Derp.

Wat Do
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
April 26 2012 02:53 GMT
#2014
On April 26 2012 09:39 57 Corvette wrote:
I'm going to make a smurf named "King Dedede" and build a phage every game.


Kirby :D
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
April 26 2012 02:58 GMT
#2015
On April 26 2012 11:42 Bladeorade wrote:

Hey I am trying to stream and for some reason there is a lot of background noise from my mic and I am wondering if anyone knows why that would happen?

I figured it out:

I have to boost my mic by 30db just to be heard clearly, having it that high creates feedback. Derp.

Wat Do

Where are you putting your mic? A 30db boost is pretty huge, basically means your mic is catching almost none of your voice.
Translator:3
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
April 26 2012 03:30 GMT
#2016
On April 26 2012 09:39 57 Corvette wrote:
I'm going to make a smurf named "King Dedede" and build a phage every game.


That would be amazing lol.
Never Knows Best.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
April 26 2012 04:20 GMT
#2017
On April 26 2012 11:58 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 11:42 Bladeorade wrote:

Hey I am trying to stream and for some reason there is a lot of background noise from my mic and I am wondering if anyone knows why that would happen?

I figured it out:

I have to boost my mic by 30db just to be heard clearly, having it that high creates feedback. Derp.

Wat Do

Where are you putting your mic? A 30db boost is pretty huge, basically means your mic is catching almost none of your voice.

On my desk in front of me. Roughly 1 foot or so from my face
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 04:36:19
April 26 2012 04:33 GMT
#2018
nvm
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
April 26 2012 05:52 GMT
#2019
Anybody else see the baron steal Salce just pulled with TF on his stream? Wowza.
whole lies with a half smile
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
April 26 2012 06:01 GMT
#2020
On April 26 2012 14:52 Node wrote:
Anybody else see the baron steal Salce just pulled with TF on his stream? Wowza.


Yup, epic stuff ;D
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