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Sven Stryker
Profile Joined December 2011
United States423 Posts
April 03 2012 23:01 GMT
#21
I'll catch up on the discussion and make any more changes tomorrow. I just did a quick update earlier this morning to change stuff to coincide with the new champion rotation.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-03 23:10:11
April 03 2012 23:09 GMT
#22
shouldnt we have different ranges of Elo for ban list?
Its cause High Elo info travels at a rather slow pace down the skill curve (Kassadin still top ban in low Elo. months ago, Tryndamere remained top ban for a while in low elo even after his nerf)
I heard Vlad was being banned in high elo but in 1300s, hes not banned at all
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 03 2012 23:42 GMT
#23
On April 04 2012 08:09 Kenpachi wrote:
shouldnt we have different ranges of Elo for ban list?
Its cause High Elo info travels at a rather slow pace down the skill curve (Kassadin still top ban in low Elo. months ago, Tryndamere remained top ban for a while in low elo even after his nerf)
I heard Vlad was being banned in high elo but in 1300s, hes not banned at all

The thing is, in low ELOs it's not about how strong the champ is, but how easy it is to carry with it.

That's why pubstompers like Shaco, Kennen, Vlad, Tryn, Karthus, .. all have to be banned. I'd add any champ with stealth too, but nobody plays those, luckily
A backwards poet writes inverse.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
April 03 2012 23:44 GMT
#24
High elo just figures out who is OP faster. There isn't really any OP champion right now, which is why I see mostly random bans from 1800-2k and when watching streams of 2.2k. I personally just hate lee sin and always ban him. Warwick can also be a problem with his impossibly large heal (80% of flat 20% of the target's hp?).

I have no idea why anyone bans rammus, 3 nerfs in a row, to things that weren't even a problem on him. Skarner is really bad now also.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 03 2012 23:45 GMT
#25
Rammus is annoyance factor. He still has the ability to get seen by a ward but still get to a lane and gank without you being able to react (or teammates being bad and just not reacting at all). Its a shaco/shen ban: just do it cuz it makes life easier.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Sven Stryker
Profile Joined December 2011
United States423 Posts
April 03 2012 23:59 GMT
#26
On April 04 2012 08:09 Kenpachi wrote:
shouldnt we have different ranges of Elo for ban list?
Its cause High Elo info travels at a rather slow pace down the skill curve (Kassadin still top ban in low Elo. months ago, Tryndamere remained top ban for a while in low elo even after his nerf)
I heard Vlad was being banned in high elo but in 1300s, hes not banned at all

I would love to do this, but I'd need a consensus betweeen people of how to break up the tiers and what to ban in each tier. It's mostly a problem of this already being a really vague (and probably bad) quick list. If people want to start just posting suggestions about how to separate elos and bans for each of them, I could get the first post headed in that direction.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 04 2012 00:45 GMT
#27
Bad teammates still get ganked and killed by Rammus. Just seen that, and he's so fast that it's annoying because there's not much you can do to help them if they're dumb enough (well, the same could be said with any champ, depending on the level of "dumb enough").
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
April 04 2012 10:20 GMT
#28
I just started playing the game (or any dota for that matter) and I wonder. Can someone put a bit of depth behind the reasons why Shaco, Shen, Rammus and Morgana are banned in every game I spectate ? The few games I've played where I've seen a Shaco, my team has always won, he just rolls over and dies. ANd yes I'm not even ranked, but I'm trying to gather as much information as I can. Also everytime I try Rammus I fail badly.
Dead girls don't say no.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 04 2012 10:29 GMT
#29
On April 04 2012 19:20 Sqq wrote:
I just started playing the game (or any dota for that matter) and I wonder. Can someone put a bit of depth behind the reasons why Shaco, Shen, Rammus and Morgana are banned in every game I spectate ? The few games I've played where I've seen a Shaco, my team has always won, he just rolls over and dies. ANd yes I'm not even ranked, but I'm trying to gather as much information as I can. Also everytime I try Rammus I fail badly.


A good Shaco is like lightning itself. By the time you hear him, you're already dead.

Rammus's Power Ball lets him have ridiculous jungle speed and ganking power.

Morgana is easy to play, farms easily, and wrecks teams with her ultimate.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
April 04 2012 13:10 GMT
#30
People like banning champions that abuse stupidity, which says something about those people who ban them.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 04 2012 13:21 GMT
#31
I feel confident playing with a Shaco in the other team. I don't feel confident in my teammates playing with a Shaco in the other team. I've tried, twice. Knowing where he is and what he wants to do is useless when your teammates don't use the information, nor react to it. It's true for most champ, but that's where the "abuse stupidity" becomes more relevant in cases like his.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
April 04 2012 13:21 GMT
#32
On April 04 2012 22:10 57 Corvette wrote:
People like banning champions that abuse stupidity, which says something about those people who ban them.



Or their confidence in teammates they've never played with before.
Strykemard
Profile Joined April 2012
168 Posts
April 12 2012 04:03 GMT
#33
You might want to add Kassadin, more for the "your own teammates" section.
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