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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 22 2011 19:10 GMT
#1061
i haven't seen a graves win a game yet tbh
if he's on my team i lose
if he's on teh other team i win

i dunno if it's coincidence or if the people playing him are just bad or if our thread is slightly overrating him but let me put it this way
i played a skarner + yorick lane against taric + graves lane and just absolutely packed his shit in
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 22 2011 19:14 GMT
#1062
On October 23 2011 04:10 gtrsrs wrote:
i haven't seen a graves win a game yet tbh
if he's on my team i lose
if he's on teh other team i win

i dunno if it's coincidence or if the people playing him are just bad or if our thread is slightly overrating him but let me put it this way
i played a skarner + yorick lane against taric + graves lane and just absolutely packed his shit in

I've seen a bunch of Graves go legendary with 0 deaths.
He seems to crush even harder on EU though.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Lanzoma
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico813 Posts
October 22 2011 19:14 GMT
#1063
Probably coincidence. I've yet to lose a bot lane.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 19:19:04
October 22 2011 19:18 GMT
#1064
On October 22 2011 11:29 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 11:23 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 11:16 WhiteNights wrote:
On October 22 2011 09:50 LancerJ wrote:
I actually agree with Utah's conclusions but the arguments on both sides have mostly been quite bad. A few of Utah's posts have been particularly juvenile but picking them apart at this point would be a waste of everyone's time. Put simply there's been a lot of unstated assumptions, assertions about edge cases during a general discussion, ignoring of utility and opportunity cost in an inverted pendulum system, etc.

Yango has provided one of the only useful posts, read it twice if you want some closure on the topic:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 22 2011 04:09 TheYango wrote:
It takes on the order of like 10 minutes for gold/5 items to match the cost-effectiveness of Doran's items (HoG/Kage break even with the plain stat counterparts at 5-7 minutes, and Doran's are significantly more cost-effective than the plain stat items)

Ruby Crystal is 475 for 180 health. Heart of Gold gives 250 health, so that would be priced at 660 gold, but it costs 825 gold, so it takes thirty-three ticks to catch up, or five and a half minutes.

Also, is playing aggressive support 100% guaranteed to get you raped at high ELO? I'm literally never at 100% health or mana in lane because I trade harass every fifteen seconds.

Except we're not comparing Hearts of Gold to Ruby Crystals, because nobody buys Ruby Crystals and just leaves them that way. We're comparing them to Doran's Ring, which is vastly more efficient than a Ruby Crystal.

This is why I hate mathcraft-

what is the going gold value of an item slot?

There isn't one, it's a seperate resource. That's like asking what's the mineral value of vespene gas.

Which is basically your point, too.
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
October 22 2011 19:31 GMT
#1065
On October 23 2011 04:18 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 11:29 Two_DoWn wrote:
On October 22 2011 11:23 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 11:16 WhiteNights wrote:
On October 22 2011 09:50 LancerJ wrote:
I actually agree with Utah's conclusions but the arguments on both sides have mostly been quite bad. A few of Utah's posts have been particularly juvenile but picking them apart at this point would be a waste of everyone's time. Put simply there's been a lot of unstated assumptions, assertions about edge cases during a general discussion, ignoring of utility and opportunity cost in an inverted pendulum system, etc.

Yango has provided one of the only useful posts, read it twice if you want some closure on the topic:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 22 2011 04:09 TheYango wrote:
It takes on the order of like 10 minutes for gold/5 items to match the cost-effectiveness of Doran's items (HoG/Kage break even with the plain stat counterparts at 5-7 minutes, and Doran's are significantly more cost-effective than the plain stat items)

Ruby Crystal is 475 for 180 health. Heart of Gold gives 250 health, so that would be priced at 660 gold, but it costs 825 gold, so it takes thirty-three ticks to catch up, or five and a half minutes.

Also, is playing aggressive support 100% guaranteed to get you raped at high ELO? I'm literally never at 100% health or mana in lane because I trade harass every fifteen seconds.

Except we're not comparing Hearts of Gold to Ruby Crystals, because nobody buys Ruby Crystals and just leaves them that way. We're comparing them to Doran's Ring, which is vastly more efficient than a Ruby Crystal.

This is why I hate mathcraft-

what is the going gold value of an item slot?

There isn't one, it's a seperate resource. That's like asking what's the mineral value of vespene gas.

Which is basically your point, too.


If only there were a mineral to gas exchange building.


FADC
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 19:46:45
October 22 2011 19:45 GMT
#1066
On October 23 2011 04:31 rwrzr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 04:18 sylverfyre wrote:
On October 22 2011 11:29 Two_DoWn wrote:
On October 22 2011 11:23 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 11:16 WhiteNights wrote:
On October 22 2011 09:50 LancerJ wrote:
I actually agree with Utah's conclusions but the arguments on both sides have mostly been quite bad. A few of Utah's posts have been particularly juvenile but picking them apart at this point would be a waste of everyone's time. Put simply there's been a lot of unstated assumptions, assertions about edge cases during a general discussion, ignoring of utility and opportunity cost in an inverted pendulum system, etc.

Yango has provided one of the only useful posts, read it twice if you want some closure on the topic:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 22 2011 04:09 TheYango wrote:
It takes on the order of like 10 minutes for gold/5 items to match the cost-effectiveness of Doran's items (HoG/Kage break even with the plain stat counterparts at 5-7 minutes, and Doran's are significantly more cost-effective than the plain stat items)

Ruby Crystal is 475 for 180 health. Heart of Gold gives 250 health, so that would be priced at 660 gold, but it costs 825 gold, so it takes thirty-three ticks to catch up, or five and a half minutes.

Also, is playing aggressive support 100% guaranteed to get you raped at high ELO? I'm literally never at 100% health or mana in lane because I trade harass every fifteen seconds.

Except we're not comparing Hearts of Gold to Ruby Crystals, because nobody buys Ruby Crystals and just leaves them that way. We're comparing them to Doran's Ring, which is vastly more efficient than a Ruby Crystal.

This is why I hate mathcraft-

what is the going gold value of an item slot?

There isn't one, it's a seperate resource. That's like asking what's the mineral value of vespene gas.

Which is basically your point, too.


If only there were a mineral to gas exchange building.




there was an energy to mass conversion building in sub com and it was really really beast.

Now that I detrailed that a bit... Its really situational for me. I have the gp10 Q's for my tank beacuse I useualy get a solo lane when my friend jungles and I tank with amumu. Just beacuse tanks like amumu and nasus get zoned out so hard (nasus suffered a lot more thats why I don't use him much).

so if your getting zoned out hard in lane and you know you won't be able to farm you need the gp10 items. when your ahead don't be stupid get more ahead and get power items. I've never personaly seen the reason to stack dorans items considering you'll have to sell them and lose the efficency that you get with them. While the gp10 items convert to either a omen witch is really helpful as a tank or a deathfire which I've never used but I hear good things about it.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 19:56:11
October 22 2011 19:55 GMT
#1067
So
Instead of diving into that conversation again or questions about lane amumuqqC

I now have triumphant ryze, victorious jarvan, pax jax, riot singed, k9 nasus, season 1 kayle, gold banner, and I'm working on pax sivir /brag. DISCLAIMER I'm not looking to sell my account. BUT what is my acct worth? Is it the aggregate value of each of those pieces? Or is it worth more since they're all on the same acct? Let's talk lolconomics
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 22 2011 19:59 GMT
#1068
No PAX TF? lawlz, nothing.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 22 2011 20:04 GMT
#1069
lol s1 gold banner. Nobody will buy your account because you have a noob banner.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 22 2011 20:05 GMT
#1070
Yeah I've probed around for Pax tf but with very little success
Weren't there only a couple thousand printed?
I'm not willing to shell out 120 bucks for it atm
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 22 2011 20:24 GMT
#1071
It's pretty hard to get a gold banner, so I'd say lots.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 22 2011 20:47 GMT
#1072
lol even I have a gold banner. That thing aint worth shit.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 22 2011 20:53 GMT
#1073
Huge bugs with chat and lobby connection it seems, it's getting hard to invite all people, and even to see them in chat.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2671 Posts
October 22 2011 21:00 GMT
#1074
On October 23 2011 05:53 Alaric wrote:
Huge bugs with chat and lobby connection it seems, it's getting hard to invite all people, and even to see them in chat.


There's a horrible sub-chat server on Europe-West. It's really empty and you can't find any of your friends. If you try and talk to people you get no response. It's really eerie.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
October 22 2011 21:04 GMT
#1075
So when is force of atmogs gonna be nerfed? I swear, those 3 items combined, are the worst shit-combo in this game lol.
hi
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 22 2011 21:39 GMT
#1076
On October 23 2011 06:04 Sponkz wrote:
So when is force of atmogs gonna be nerfed? I swear, those 3 items combined, are the worst shit-combo in this game lol.

Its also the most expensive combo of items in the game, so if the enemy gets that, you fucked up somewhere.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
October 22 2011 21:43 GMT
#1077
On October 23 2011 06:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:04 Sponkz wrote:
So when is force of atmogs gonna be nerfed? I swear, those 3 items combined, are the worst shit-combo in this game lol.

Its also the most expensive combo of items in the game, so if the enemy gets that, you fucked up somewhere.

Yea I don't really see that big of a problem with that combo. Not only do you have to get warmogs but you have to stack it up as well. All throughout that time you're basically not doing any damage until you get atmas (and even then it's not like you're taking chunks out of people).
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 22 2011 21:54 GMT
#1078
The day ad carries get force of atmogs is the day you can nerf it as far as I'm concerned.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 22 2011 21:59 GMT
#1079
I know I sound like a drug addict but I gotta stop playing ranked fucked up, sorry to milo and whoever else I duo'd with last night under false pretenses.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 22 2011 22:12 GMT
#1080
I know no one really cares about 3v3 but I just had a good TT game with Aaerox/Awnn and it can't hurt to upload~

http://www.mediafire.com/?j7h987a12yvhbka
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
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