|
i haven't seen a graves win a game yet tbh if he's on my team i lose if he's on teh other team i win
i dunno if it's coincidence or if the people playing him are just bad or if our thread is slightly overrating him but let me put it this way i played a skarner + yorick lane against taric + graves lane and just absolutely packed his shit in
|
On October 23 2011 04:10 gtrsrs wrote: i haven't seen a graves win a game yet tbh if he's on my team i lose if he's on teh other team i win
i dunno if it's coincidence or if the people playing him are just bad or if our thread is slightly overrating him but let me put it this way i played a skarner + yorick lane against taric + graves lane and just absolutely packed his shit in I've seen a bunch of Graves go legendary with 0 deaths. He seems to crush even harder on EU though.
|
Probably coincidence. I've yet to lose a bot lane.
|
On October 22 2011 11:29 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 11:23 TheYango wrote:On October 22 2011 11:16 WhiteNights wrote:On October 22 2011 09:50 LancerJ wrote:I actually agree with Utah's conclusions but the arguments on both sides have mostly been quite bad. A few of Utah's posts have been particularly juvenile but picking them apart at this point would be a waste of everyone's time. Put simply there's been a lot of unstated assumptions, assertions about edge cases during a general discussion, ignoring of utility and opportunity cost in an inverted pendulum system, etc. Yango has provided one of the only useful posts, read it twice if you want some closure on the topic: + Show Spoiler +On October 22 2011 04:09 TheYango wrote: It takes on the order of like 10 minutes for gold/5 items to match the cost-effectiveness of Doran's items (HoG/Kage break even with the plain stat counterparts at 5-7 minutes, and Doran's are significantly more cost-effective than the plain stat items) Ruby Crystal is 475 for 180 health. Heart of Gold gives 250 health, so that would be priced at 660 gold, but it costs 825 gold, so it takes thirty-three ticks to catch up, or five and a half minutes. Also, is playing aggressive support 100% guaranteed to get you raped at high ELO? I'm literally never at 100% health or mana in lane because I trade harass every fifteen seconds. Except we're not comparing Hearts of Gold to Ruby Crystals, because nobody buys Ruby Crystals and just leaves them that way. We're comparing them to Doran's Ring, which is vastly more efficient than a Ruby Crystal. This is why I hate mathcraft- what is the going gold value of an item slot? There isn't one, it's a seperate resource. That's like asking what's the mineral value of vespene gas.
Which is basically your point, too.
|
On October 23 2011 04:18 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 11:29 Two_DoWn wrote:On October 22 2011 11:23 TheYango wrote:On October 22 2011 11:16 WhiteNights wrote:On October 22 2011 09:50 LancerJ wrote:I actually agree with Utah's conclusions but the arguments on both sides have mostly been quite bad. A few of Utah's posts have been particularly juvenile but picking them apart at this point would be a waste of everyone's time. Put simply there's been a lot of unstated assumptions, assertions about edge cases during a general discussion, ignoring of utility and opportunity cost in an inverted pendulum system, etc. Yango has provided one of the only useful posts, read it twice if you want some closure on the topic: + Show Spoiler +On October 22 2011 04:09 TheYango wrote: It takes on the order of like 10 minutes for gold/5 items to match the cost-effectiveness of Doran's items (HoG/Kage break even with the plain stat counterparts at 5-7 minutes, and Doran's are significantly more cost-effective than the plain stat items) Ruby Crystal is 475 for 180 health. Heart of Gold gives 250 health, so that would be priced at 660 gold, but it costs 825 gold, so it takes thirty-three ticks to catch up, or five and a half minutes. Also, is playing aggressive support 100% guaranteed to get you raped at high ELO? I'm literally never at 100% health or mana in lane because I trade harass every fifteen seconds. Except we're not comparing Hearts of Gold to Ruby Crystals, because nobody buys Ruby Crystals and just leaves them that way. We're comparing them to Doran's Ring, which is vastly more efficient than a Ruby Crystal. This is why I hate mathcraft- what is the going gold value of an item slot? There isn't one, it's a seperate resource. That's like asking what's the mineral value of vespene gas. Which is basically your point, too.
If only there were a mineral to gas exchange building.
|
On October 23 2011 04:31 rwrzr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:18 sylverfyre wrote:On October 22 2011 11:29 Two_DoWn wrote:On October 22 2011 11:23 TheYango wrote:On October 22 2011 11:16 WhiteNights wrote:On October 22 2011 09:50 LancerJ wrote:I actually agree with Utah's conclusions but the arguments on both sides have mostly been quite bad. A few of Utah's posts have been particularly juvenile but picking them apart at this point would be a waste of everyone's time. Put simply there's been a lot of unstated assumptions, assertions about edge cases during a general discussion, ignoring of utility and opportunity cost in an inverted pendulum system, etc. Yango has provided one of the only useful posts, read it twice if you want some closure on the topic: + Show Spoiler +On October 22 2011 04:09 TheYango wrote: It takes on the order of like 10 minutes for gold/5 items to match the cost-effectiveness of Doran's items (HoG/Kage break even with the plain stat counterparts at 5-7 minutes, and Doran's are significantly more cost-effective than the plain stat items) Ruby Crystal is 475 for 180 health. Heart of Gold gives 250 health, so that would be priced at 660 gold, but it costs 825 gold, so it takes thirty-three ticks to catch up, or five and a half minutes. Also, is playing aggressive support 100% guaranteed to get you raped at high ELO? I'm literally never at 100% health or mana in lane because I trade harass every fifteen seconds. Except we're not comparing Hearts of Gold to Ruby Crystals, because nobody buys Ruby Crystals and just leaves them that way. We're comparing them to Doran's Ring, which is vastly more efficient than a Ruby Crystal. This is why I hate mathcraft- what is the going gold value of an item slot? There isn't one, it's a seperate resource. That's like asking what's the mineral value of vespene gas. Which is basically your point, too. If only there were a mineral to gas exchange building.
there was an energy to mass conversion building in sub com and it was really really beast.
Now that I detrailed that a bit... Its really situational for me. I have the gp10 Q's for my tank beacuse I useualy get a solo lane when my friend jungles and I tank with amumu. Just beacuse tanks like amumu and nasus get zoned out so hard (nasus suffered a lot more thats why I don't use him much).
so if your getting zoned out hard in lane and you know you won't be able to farm you need the gp10 items. when your ahead don't be stupid get more ahead and get power items. I've never personaly seen the reason to stack dorans items considering you'll have to sell them and lose the efficency that you get with them. While the gp10 items convert to either a omen witch is really helpful as a tank or a deathfire which I've never used but I hear good things about it.
|
So Instead of diving into that conversation again or questions about lane amumuqqC
I now have triumphant ryze, victorious jarvan, pax jax, riot singed, k9 nasus, season 1 kayle, gold banner, and I'm working on pax sivir /brag. DISCLAIMER I'm not looking to sell my account. BUT what is my acct worth? Is it the aggregate value of each of those pieces? Or is it worth more since they're all on the same acct? Let's talk lolconomics
|
United States37500 Posts
No PAX TF? lawlz, nothing.
|
lol s1 gold banner. Nobody will buy your account because you have a noob banner.
|
Yeah I've probed around for Pax tf but with very little success Weren't there only a couple thousand printed? I'm not willing to shell out 120 bucks for it atm
|
It's pretty hard to get a gold banner, so I'd say lots.
|
lol even I have a gold banner. That thing aint worth shit.
|
Huge bugs with chat and lobby connection it seems, it's getting hard to invite all people, and even to see them in chat.
|
England2654 Posts
On October 23 2011 05:53 Alaric wrote: Huge bugs with chat and lobby connection it seems, it's getting hard to invite all people, and even to see them in chat.
There's a horrible sub-chat server on Europe-West. It's really empty and you can't find any of your friends. If you try and talk to people you get no response. It's really eerie.
|
So when is force of atmogs gonna be nerfed? I swear, those 3 items combined, are the worst shit-combo in this game lol.
|
On October 23 2011 06:04 Sponkz wrote: So when is force of atmogs gonna be nerfed? I swear, those 3 items combined, are the worst shit-combo in this game lol. Its also the most expensive combo of items in the game, so if the enemy gets that, you fucked up somewhere.
|
On October 23 2011 06:39 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 06:04 Sponkz wrote: So when is force of atmogs gonna be nerfed? I swear, those 3 items combined, are the worst shit-combo in this game lol. Its also the most expensive combo of items in the game, so if the enemy gets that, you fucked up somewhere. Yea I don't really see that big of a problem with that combo. Not only do you have to get warmogs but you have to stack it up as well. All throughout that time you're basically not doing any damage until you get atmas (and even then it's not like you're taking chunks out of people).
|
The day ad carries get force of atmogs is the day you can nerf it as far as I'm concerned.
|
I know I sound like a drug addict but I gotta stop playing ranked fucked up, sorry to milo and whoever else I duo'd with last night under false pretenses.
|
|
|
|
|