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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 22 2011 12:21 GMT
#1021
On October 22 2011 20:56 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 16:14 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:09 Juicyfruit wrote:
Quick question, is zilean an acceptable counter to morg in lane, assuming he can get blue?

Zilean loses to Morg. He can't harass efficiently through shield, gets hugely outpushed, and Morg ult forces stupidly early Zil ults.


Sion counters Morg pretty decently. Morg can still farm against Sion with relative ease, but Sion can just push the lane and then go for a gank while morg is still killing creeps, also if you can force a spell shield from morg then QW combo gonna hurt.

Why are you talking about Sion when hes asking about Zilean's laning efficency with Morg, thats like if I was talking about rock music and someone adds in rap music for some reason.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
October 22 2011 12:23 GMT
#1022
he did it with a soraka lane though, that could be one reason why

but the wriggles thing is always
cool beans
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 12:42:39
October 22 2011 12:42 GMT
#1023
On October 22 2011 20:56 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 16:14 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:09 Juicyfruit wrote:
Quick question, is zilean an acceptable counter to morg in lane, assuming he can get blue?

Zilean loses to Morg. He can't harass efficiently through shield, gets hugely outpushed, and Morg ult forces stupidly early Zil ults.


Sion counters Morg pretty decently. Morg can still farm against Sion with relative ease, but Sion can just push the lane and then go for a gank while morg is still killing creeps, also if you can force a spell shield from morg then QW combo gonna hurt.

What? Sion's not going to go anywhere in like the 2 seconds longer it takes for Tormented Soil to kill creeps than your shield. It's Morg that outpushes Sion because she has way better mana efficiency than he does.

And any Morg that shields prematurely before the Cryptic Gaze particle is already in flight is terrible.
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mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
October 22 2011 13:30 GMT
#1024
On October 22 2011 15:51 WhiteNights wrote:
Graves is such a stupid hero. He has Mordekaiser's Q, except he gets both the single target and the AOE, Nocturne's ult and Miss Fortune's E combined on his W, Tristana's Q with less CD and a dash attached on his E, and his ultimate is Caitlyn's on AOE. Also he gets a free Aegis worth of resists.

If they released Lux today she would probably have five second CDs on everything and her passive would stack.

Also, all of the new heroes have scaling that makes sense. Dat full AD scalin on Riven and Graves when my Tristana and Ashe have retarded AP ratios.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
October 22 2011 13:37 GMT
#1025
On October 22 2011 21:21 RogerX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 20:56 EquilasH wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:14 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:09 Juicyfruit wrote:
Quick question, is zilean an acceptable counter to morg in lane, assuming he can get blue?

Zilean loses to Morg. He can't harass efficiently through shield, gets hugely outpushed, and Morg ult forces stupidly early Zil ults.


Sion counters Morg pretty decently. Morg can still farm against Sion with relative ease, but Sion can just push the lane and then go for a gank while morg is still killing creeps, also if you can force a spell shield from morg then QW combo gonna hurt.

Why are you talking about Sion when hes asking about Zilean's laning efficency with Morg, thats like if I was talking about rock music and someone adds in rap music for some reason.

He was asking about Zilean specifically as a counter to Morg, and people in general have been having trouble countering Morg, so I just told him that Sion countered Morg, and if he can't use that information, then so what? Took him 10 seconds reading that.
wat
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 13:39:20
October 22 2011 13:38 GMT
#1026
On October 22 2011 21:42 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 20:56 EquilasH wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:14 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:09 Juicyfruit wrote:
Quick question, is zilean an acceptable counter to morg in lane, assuming he can get blue?

Zilean loses to Morg. He can't harass efficiently through shield, gets hugely outpushed, and Morg ult forces stupidly early Zil ults.


Sion counters Morg pretty decently. Morg can still farm against Sion with relative ease, but Sion can just push the lane and then go for a gank while morg is still killing creeps, also if you can force a spell shield from morg then QW combo gonna hurt.

What? Sion's not going to go anywhere in like the 2 seconds longer it takes for Tormented Soil to kill creeps than your shield. It's Morg that outpushes Sion because she has way better mana efficiency than he does.

And any Morg that shields prematurely before the Cryptic Gaze particle is already in flight is terrible.

Dunno, I've been beating decent Morg's as Sion and you can't always hit all 6 creeps with tormented soil, so it'll take longer than an additional 2 sec.

Edit: oops doublepost :/
wat
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
October 22 2011 13:58 GMT
#1027
On October 22 2011 22:37 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 21:21 RogerX wrote:
On October 22 2011 20:56 EquilasH wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:14 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:09 Juicyfruit wrote:
Quick question, is zilean an acceptable counter to morg in lane, assuming he can get blue?

Zilean loses to Morg. He can't harass efficiently through shield, gets hugely outpushed, and Morg ult forces stupidly early Zil ults.


Sion counters Morg pretty decently. Morg can still farm against Sion with relative ease, but Sion can just push the lane and then go for a gank while morg is still killing creeps, also if you can force a spell shield from morg then QW combo gonna hurt.

Why are you talking about Sion when hes asking about Zilean's laning efficency with Morg, thats like if I was talking about rock music and someone adds in rap music for some reason.

He was asking about Zilean specifically as a counter to Morg, and people in general have been having trouble countering Morg, so I just told him that Sion countered Morg, and if he can't use that information, then so what? Took him 10 seconds reading that.


Personally I pick Vlad vs Morg. And it works out pretty well. :>
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 22 2011 14:03 GMT
#1028
On October 22 2011 22:38 EquilasH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 21:42 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 20:56 EquilasH wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:14 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:09 Juicyfruit wrote:
Quick question, is zilean an acceptable counter to morg in lane, assuming he can get blue?

Zilean loses to Morg. He can't harass efficiently through shield, gets hugely outpushed, and Morg ult forces stupidly early Zil ults.


Sion counters Morg pretty decently. Morg can still farm against Sion with relative ease, but Sion can just push the lane and then go for a gank while morg is still killing creeps, also if you can force a spell shield from morg then QW combo gonna hurt.

What? Sion's not going to go anywhere in like the 2 seconds longer it takes for Tormented Soil to kill creeps than your shield. It's Morg that outpushes Sion because she has way better mana efficiency than he does.

And any Morg that shields prematurely before the Cryptic Gaze particle is already in flight is terrible.

Dunno, I've been beating decent Morg's as Sion and you can't always hit all 6 creeps with tormented soil, so it'll take longer than an additional 2 sec.

Edit: oops doublepost :/

It's a while before shield can oneshot the whole wave like that. By that time, Morg could have already gotten the chance to roam a bit and the laning phase isn't gonna last much longer. Morg player's fault if he didn't take the chance. Sion's still pretty effective, though, because unlike others, he generally won't die to just a full combo from morg - meaning that you have more room for mistakes / aggression / putting yourself in vulnerable spots while farming than on other champs.

The most miserable I've been in a lane as Morgana, though, has been against Talon.
KOVU
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark708 Posts
October 22 2011 14:36 GMT
#1029
Anyone else got free 10 win IP boost?

Suddenly had IP boost after a game today, I don't understand this at all. But I won't complain.
jaymik
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (South)425 Posts
October 22 2011 14:37 GMT
#1030
On October 22 2011 23:36 KOVU wrote:
Anyone else got free 10 win IP boost?

Suddenly had IP boost after a game today, I don't understand this at all. But I won't complain.



http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/league-legends-takes-home-golden-joystick
jaymik kr/na
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
October 22 2011 14:43 GMT
#1031
On October 22 2011 23:37 jaymik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:36 KOVU wrote:
Anyone else got free 10 win IP boost?

Suddenly had IP boost after a game today, I don't understand this at all. But I won't complain.



http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/league-legends-takes-home-golden-joystick
fuck this shit. they stole the award from runescape.
KOVU
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark708 Posts
October 22 2011 14:46 GMT
#1032
On October 22 2011 23:37 jaymik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:36 KOVU wrote:
Anyone else got free 10 win IP boost?

Suddenly had IP boost after a game today, I don't understand this at all. But I won't complain.



http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/league-legends-takes-home-golden-joystick

That is really awesome, for us and for Riot.
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
October 22 2011 14:54 GMT
#1033
On October 22 2011 23:43 Attakijing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:37 jaymik wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:36 KOVU wrote:
Anyone else got free 10 win IP boost?

Suddenly had IP boost after a game today, I don't understand this at all. But I won't complain.



http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/league-legends-takes-home-golden-joystick
fuck this shit. they stole the award from runescape.

Yeah I don't think Riot deserves the award as well, there's still so many problems with the game that Riot seems to just ignore.
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
KinosJourney2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden1811 Posts
October 22 2011 15:09 GMT
#1034
On October 22 2011 23:54 ptrpb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:43 Attakijing wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:37 jaymik wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:36 KOVU wrote:
Anyone else got free 10 win IP boost?

Suddenly had IP boost after a game today, I don't understand this at all. But I won't complain.



http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/league-legends-takes-home-golden-joystick
fuck this shit. they stole the award from runescape.

Yeah I don't think Riot deserves the award as well, there's still so many problems with the game that Riot seems to just ignore.


I like how Riot throws IP boosts at the playerbase when they win the contest when RuneScape players ACTUALLY got ingame content when Jagex won it last time (They got a unique Golden Hammer ingame with a unique emote). I'd say Jagex deserved it more even though i don't play the game anymore. As much as i love playing LoL, Riot does so much wrong with the game it's hilarious how they can win such an award.
ocho wrote: EDIT: NEVERMIND, THIS THING HAS APM TECHNOLOGY OMG
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 22 2011 15:10 GMT
#1035
Why are we pretending that these awards are anything other than a contest of who bribes their playerbase harder?
Moderator
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
October 22 2011 15:16 GMT
#1036
On October 23 2011 00:10 TheYango wrote:
Why are we pretending that these awards are anything other than a contest of who bribes their playerbase harder?

Yup, LoL deserves the award 'cause it's the game with the higher number of players.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
tyCe
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2542 Posts
October 22 2011 15:18 GMT
#1037
On October 22 2011 23:54 ptrpb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:43 Attakijing wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:37 jaymik wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:36 KOVU wrote:
Anyone else got free 10 win IP boost?

Suddenly had IP boost after a game today, I don't understand this at all. But I won't complain.



http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/league-legends-takes-home-golden-joystick
fuck this shit. they stole the award from runescape.

Yeah I don't think Riot deserves the award as well, there's still so many problems with the game that Riot seems to just ignore.

Are you suggesting that Runescape deserves it more than LoL? Ehh....

On October 23 2011 00:10 TheYango wrote:
Why are we pretending that these awards are anything other than a contest of who bribes their playerbase harder?

Which makes it kinda impressive that LoL won it since Riot was so stingey this time around. I wish they bribed us harder honestly
Betrayed by EG.BuK
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 22 2011 15:20 GMT
#1038
On October 23 2011 00:18 tyCe wrote:
Which makes it kinda impressive that LoL won it since Riot was so stingey this time around. I wish they bribed us harder honestly

10 win IP boost is worth more RP than what we got last time--which was a runepage.
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EpicPleasure
Profile Joined March 2010
United States164 Posts
October 22 2011 15:20 GMT
#1039
Serious question, since there's like a million streams, what would make you guys watch a new stream? Give interesting ideas and suggestions or what not.
Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
October 22 2011 15:22 GMT
#1040
On October 22 2011 23:03 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 22:38 EquilasH wrote:
On October 22 2011 21:42 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 20:56 EquilasH wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:14 TheYango wrote:
On October 22 2011 16:09 Juicyfruit wrote:
Quick question, is zilean an acceptable counter to morg in lane, assuming he can get blue?

Zilean loses to Morg. He can't harass efficiently through shield, gets hugely outpushed, and Morg ult forces stupidly early Zil ults.


Sion counters Morg pretty decently. Morg can still farm against Sion with relative ease, but Sion can just push the lane and then go for a gank while morg is still killing creeps, also if you can force a spell shield from morg then QW combo gonna hurt.

What? Sion's not going to go anywhere in like the 2 seconds longer it takes for Tormented Soil to kill creeps than your shield. It's Morg that outpushes Sion because she has way better mana efficiency than he does.

And any Morg that shields prematurely before the Cryptic Gaze particle is already in flight is terrible.

Dunno, I've been beating decent Morg's as Sion and you can't always hit all 6 creeps with tormented soil, so it'll take longer than an additional 2 sec.

Edit: oops doublepost :/

It's a while before shield can oneshot the whole wave like that. By that time, Morg could have already gotten the chance to roam a bit and the laning phase isn't gonna last much longer. Morg player's fault if he didn't take the chance. Sion's still pretty effective, though, because unlike others, he generally won't die to just a full combo from morg - meaning that you have more room for mistakes / aggression / putting yourself in vulnerable spots while farming than on other champs.

The most miserable I've been in a lane as Morgana, though, has been against Talon.


I suck at explaining stuff like this, but until lvl 7 Sion should just stay in lane and farm alongside Morg, because that's all he can do until then (he can farm easily though), after lvl 7 when you get your boots of mobility you should be able to hit every melee creep once then explode your shield and then go to another lane or farm your own wraiths (your jungle should be happy to give them up at this point imo), and Morg will be left in lane for another 5-10 secs cleaning up the creeps while you can get to a lane faster than she can, and by the time she gets there you should've already disrupted the lane enough (gotten a kill or just forced your opponents to hug the turret for a while).

Anyway, I've been beating good Morganas doing this and I don't see why it wouldn't work.

On a sidenote: I would imagine that Talon also beasts Morgana like you said.
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