• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:03
CEST 09:03
KST 16:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview4[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light vespene.gg — BW replays in browser BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker [ASL21] Semifinals B [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
YouTube Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1654 users

[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 136

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 134 135 136 137 138 177 Next
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
October 28 2011 18:00 GMT
#2701
On October 29 2011 02:55 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 02:53 LargoLeGrande wrote:
On October 29 2011 02:45 Offhand wrote:
On October 28 2011 06:59 Seuss wrote:
MOBA is a bad acronym because it isn't catchy and can easily be mistaken for something other than an acronym when used in casual conversation. Terms like RPG, RTS, and FPS work well because it's obvious that they're acronyms, and they're all short enough (both in word count and syllables) to be easy to remember (even if the expanded acronym arguably doesn't properly describe the genre).

That's why Gabe Newell's "Action RTS" term is probably better.


Wouldn't RTS - micro battle be more appropriate?

On October 29 2011 02:24 LargoLeGrande wrote:
On October 29 2011 01:29 Offhand wrote:
On October 29 2011 01:16 Haemonculus wrote:
On October 29 2011 00:51 Grohnn wrote:
On October 29 2011 00:38 Offhand wrote:
I'd like to know who designs the character backgrounds for LoL champs. Some of these characters look like they've been designed by a focus group attempting to target every nerd in existence.

Take Ezreal, for example, he's basically some combination of a Final Fantasy and DBZ character. His backdrop is a "boy who goes exploring", this is every anime-thing ever rolled into one champ.

Tristana is even scarier. Her backstory is literally the backstory one of my friends in college had for her LARP group (replace gunner with archer and megling with half-elf and you're there). They even got the lesbian part right.


Yeah and who doesnt like boobs? ^^

Tristana is a lesbian? o.O


Read the backstory part with Teemo. This eerily resembles people I know from college.

E: Surprise party fiddle is the best skin. So many people buying it only to then immediately go 1/10 with fiddle every game.


But Teemo's a dude.


And not in any way in a relationship with Tristana in the current backstory. Their relationship was retconned out of existence according to a poster earlier in the thread (have no idea if this is true).


Although them being in a relationship is speculated about in Teemo's current backstory. I was more confused where you were getting the lesbian part from.


Apparently he knew girls with short hair and small breasts who like to shoot stuff from college. =P


You forgot the blue skin, being about 4 ft tall, and making sexual jokes about rockets in your pocket
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
October 28 2011 18:03 GMT
#2702
dont forget has been known to troll with an ap build from time to time.
Koenig99
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada904 Posts
October 28 2011 18:15 GMT
#2703
lol Dunkey's build is so bad
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
October 28 2011 18:17 GMT
#2704
sheesh the amount of random whispers Dunkey gets /wrists
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 18:19:38
October 28 2011 18:19 GMT
#2705
On October 29 2011 01:02 byFd wrote:
no shen love in this thread -_-


nope not really

only build I've seen that scaled at all is ap... seems sketchy
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
October 28 2011 18:25 GMT
#2706
What about using some kind of lichbanes Shen build? Something along the lines of Rylai's, Lichbanes, Aybssal, Zhonya's, Deathcap, Mercs. I could see RoA or Deathfires Grasp working, but buying two mana gems or mana gem and a Meki being too much of a waste.

What are your thoughts on Lichbanes Shen?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 28 2011 18:27 GMT
#2707
I'd rather shoot myself in the face than build AP items on Shen.

ok, that might be a bit of an exaggeration, but seriously, Shen with AP sucks massive donkey dick.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 28 2011 18:30 GMT
#2708
Westrice played "Carry" shen when he got banned out in a scrim agaisnt someone. Dat shield man, daggers hella good at harassing pirate.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
October 28 2011 18:34 GMT
#2709
Yeah, I think I've seen Locicero go legendary with an AP Shen top build, the almost free harass is pretty sickening, throw in a free teleport w/ life saving shield, a wall hop taunt, and another shield, and it's a pretty mean kit. The only problem is that AP scaling sucks unless you're an actual AP Carry.
3.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
October 28 2011 18:36 GMT
#2710
K I know Im a page behind on the whole Mallet vs Warmogs thing, but here is my 2 cents:

On characters where each makes sense, I tend to look at WHEN I am going to need the damage. Atmogs is great, but you do have a HUGE lul in power before atmogs is complete, whereas FM gives you the opportunity to buff up on damage a little bit as you go.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
October 28 2011 18:51 GMT
#2711
Also consider the enemy team and your team.
Do you really need Mallet to chase down and kill dudes? If you're perpetually the last man standing and your job is to hunt down their akali or mundo or yi or w/e who survives every teamfight with 300 hp, will mallet help you chase them down with no mercy?
Alternately, do you need the extra mogs regen to keep up with enemy poking? Do you need the additional 600 health buffer? Can your team afford to let you farm up all your mogs stacks?

(the answer is always Warmogs? How about MOREmogs!!!)
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
October 28 2011 18:55 GMT
#2712
On October 29 2011 03:27 Mogwai wrote:
I'd rather shoot myself in the face than build AP items on Shen.

ok, that might be a bit of an exaggeration, but seriously, Shen with AP sucks massive donkey dick.


I played a ranked 5s a while ago with 5hit where one guy on our team went AP Shen and botlane was Kog Soraka, so when teamfights rolled around Kog got like 1500 HP + 125 armor.

Don't hate yo.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 28 2011 18:57 GMT
#2713
i would get neither since they are both shitty items
Brees on in
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17282 Posts
October 28 2011 19:01 GMT
#2714
On October 29 2011 03:57 Brees wrote:
i would get neither since they are both shitty items

your trolling is getting too obvious these days
twitch.tv/cratonz
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 28 2011 19:05 GMT
#2715
Frankly I don't think frozen mallet is really there to help chase people down like that. If teamfights were really going that way then you probably should be the carrier of red buff instead of your AD carry. Not to mention that being the last one standing is significantly harder because you paid a lot of gold for a slow that will, regardless of how effective the actual cc is, make you a weaker combatant because you could be getting more raw stats if you built other stuff.

I don't think frozen mallet is much better than a phage in terms of the proc. Most bruisers that would use frozen mallet has at least some cc to keep a target locked down for a couple of attacks and frankly who really cares about the slow until you're already losing the teamfight and are trying to run away =/
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
October 28 2011 19:06 GMT
#2716
On October 29 2011 04:01 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 03:57 Brees wrote:
i would get neither since they are both shitty items

your trolling is getting too obvious these days



not trolling, frozen mallet has always been bad and warmog's was cool when I was building atmog's sivir before anyone knew about it, but now warmog's not hipster enough. also sucks.max cd/triforce is the new cool build on bruisers, fuck atmog's.
Brees on in
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 28 2011 19:07 GMT
#2717
Atmog's is more niche now IMO. People have learned how to better abuse the lull in midgame power on it.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 28 2011 19:10 GMT
#2718
His original range was shorter, and we had higher base stats during that time to compensate. When we increased his range, we didn't change the stats back over.

We'll probably hit a couple of these overall - will discuss with the team. ( Morello about Graves )


In case people didn't see it.
Most champion get this kind of " let's nerf all their number juste before release, then buff them to balance next patch. "
Look like they forgot to do it on Graves.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
October 28 2011 19:51 GMT
#2719
Oh good so I wasn't imagining things, Graves truely is op right now.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 20:06:23
October 28 2011 20:01 GMT
#2720
On October 29 2011 04:10 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
His original range was shorter, and we had higher base stats during that time to compensate. When we increased his range, we didn't change the stats back over.

We'll probably hit a couple of these overall - will discuss with the team. ( Morello about Graves )


In case people didn't see it.
Most champion get this kind of " let's nerf all their number juste before release, then buff them to balance next patch. "
Look like they forgot to do it on Graves.

Yeah how could they forget they gave a ranged ad the burst of annie when he hits level 6, with a short range blink, and bruiser stats. The amount of fucked up graves is is way beyond a few base stats being high.

I'll even edit in the numbers, annie q 165, w 130, r 200 (not including ap ratios, q3w2r1)
graves q 150, w 60 (I'm counting 1 skill in his e otherwise it would be 110), r 250. Because graves gets + physical damage instead of ap, you get even more damage on top of those from a lvl 6 champion.
Prev 1 134 135 136 137 138 177 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 57m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 199
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 431
Mind 373
Bale 31
Noble 20
JulyZerg 14
Dota 2
monkeys_forever374
NeuroSwarm198
League of Legends
JimRising 745
Other Games
summit1g11578
WinterStarcraft522
RuFF_SC266
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick783
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH67
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1488
Other Games
• Scarra2963
Upcoming Events
GSL
57m
Cure vs herO
SHIN vs Maru
IPSL
8h 57m
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
BSL
11h 57m
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.