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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 20 2011 21:42 GMT
#15161
uhhhh, how do people play on 30 fps? I'm always 60 fps, and if I get anything lower than that I feel like I'm lagging and just can't play properly. :S
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
May 20 2011 21:45 GMT
#15162
On May 21 2011 06:36 0123456789 wrote:
I remember Guinsoo long time ago used to say that they like releasing champs imba. When Riot releases champs imba, they get a lot of champ sales, they can just tone down the champion than try to tone up the champion which seems to be easier, and they get more traffic on the forums.


iirc, it also has to do with initial perception - look at Swain, Maokai and Lux. All 3 are stronger than release, but you see less of them than nerfed-but-viable champions like Miss Fortune, LeBlanc or Renekton.

Then there's poor Kog'maw...
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 20 2011 21:47 GMT
#15163
On May 21 2011 06:42 BlackPaladin wrote:
uhhhh, how do people play on 30 fps? I'm always 60 fps, and if I get anything lower than that I feel like I'm lagging and just can't play properly. :S

I like playing on 60 fps, but when I'm watching a stream I could care less--30 is enough for a stream.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 20 2011 21:53 GMT
#15164
Yep but the streamer needs to play on the 30 fps, which is where my question is directed at lol. I tried streaming before but if I wanted even 30 fps my quality was crappy and I simply can't play on 30 fps....let alone less. :S
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 20 2011 21:59 GMT
#15165
On May 21 2011 05:33 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 03:37 spinesheath wrote:
So I just whipped up a spreadsheet:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ohpob1v761b9p3j/runes.ods

A 1 means that you want this rune, a 0 means that you don't want it. I did a quick selection of 44 runes (of the 93 total) I would keep. Some of those runes I probably would't keep on second thought...
Result: expected value of 327 IP, with a combine cost of 375 IP.
Sure you can add a bunch more, but you'll HAVE to add them to make profit.


Now for recombining T3 runes: I constructed some formula that is supposed to describe the chance that I get one of my desired x runes if I recombine all the runes I don't want. t is the total number of runes, 93.

The formula is: (x/t)*sum[from i=0 to infinity]{((t-x)/(2*t))^i} which should evaluate to (2*x)/(t+x).
Reason: first I have a chance of x/t, then for the rest (t-x)/t I have half the chance and so on. I didn't spend too much time on it, it might be horribly flawed.
Anyways, the result seems to make sense: if you like 0 runes, the result is 0. If you like them all, it's 1. Non-negative and normed, looks good.

So for my set of 44 runes, I get a 64% chance instead of the 47% without recombining. That buffs my expected value by 36%, so it's 444 IP for 375 invested. That is 18% profit.

So if my math and all assumptions are right, and if you strictly recombine you can get away with a solid profit. If you don't want all of those 44 runes, the profit will probably be lower though.

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=493061
this was made a while back

This guy assumes that all runes you don't have 9 (or 3 for quints) of are "useful". Well they sure aren't.
He says that "based on personal experience on combinations" it seems that the chances for each rune are equal. He can't possibly have done enough combinings to draw statistically relevant data from that - he needs to test for equal likelyhood of 93 results... I don't wanna do the math for that right now, but I'm pretty sure you need a pretty damn large sample size for that.

Now for the actually interesting part of that link:
Recombining 205 IP runes indeed is improving your IP savings. I was able to push the expected average value of combined runes from 444 IP to 446 IP by removing the 6 or so 205 IP runes I listed as good runes.

Oh yeah right, the difference is barely noticeable.

But hey if you consider all the runes except for the 205 IP ones useful, then you get an expected average value of 746 IP, almost twice as much as the actual cost.
So yeah, if you are trying to get a full set of every type of rune, you can save almost 50% if you combine.


Seriously, don't use the rune combiner unless you do it just for fun.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
May 20 2011 22:19 GMT
#15166
On May 21 2011 06:31 Tooplark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 06:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
does anyone else feel like there's something seriously wrong with riot's pre-release evaluation process of champs?

They seriously seem to be getting stronger and stronger... isn't this just power creep?

It just varies between heroes.
Vayne: Major pubstomper, not totally imba but quite strong with an advantage.
Rumble: asdf tanky, lots of damage. Pretty strong.
Brand: nope.
Lee Sin: nope.
Nocturne: was definitely imba on release. Now is just strong.
Jarvan: lolimba
Maokai: undervalued but not superstrong by any means.
Karma: no way is Karma imba
Renekton: patch preview, imba. on release, underpowered. buffed a little, imba.

Besides, none of the new champions are anywhere near on-release Udyr, Poppy, or Corki. Riot has, in fact, learned quite a bit. (though most of the problem with poppy was her Q being bugged)


Releasing OP champs makes money.

No random pub player will buy a champ just because he's new if he doesn't have OMG I WANT THAT features or is straight up OP.

(Personally I expect a lot of the OP OMG cries on release due to players playing the champ learn it quicker than people learn to play against it.)

But yeah, I blame money.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 20 2011 22:20 GMT
#15167
lvl 30 yaaaaaay
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
May 20 2011 22:32 GMT
#15168
On May 21 2011 06:53 BlackPaladin wrote:
Yep but the streamer needs to play on the 30 fps, which is where my question is directed at lol. I tried streaming before but if I wanted even 30 fps my quality was crappy and I simply can't play on 30 fps....let alone less. :S

Can you tell me what playing on 60 fps is like, because then I may be able to understand you better as a regular 30 fps-er.
:)
lgd-haze
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden547 Posts
May 20 2011 22:41 GMT
#15169
Do anyone remember release Xin Zhao?

+ Show Spoiler +
Flying Tushin!!
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
May 20 2011 22:45 GMT
#15170
TheRainMen going tank teemo on stream :D
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
May 20 2011 23:11 GMT
#15171
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playing with rambo. expect 6 digit scores.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 20 2011 23:14 GMT
#15172
On May 21 2011 07:32 unichan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 06:53 BlackPaladin wrote:
Yep but the streamer needs to play on the 30 fps, which is where my question is directed at lol. I tried streaming before but if I wanted even 30 fps my quality was crappy and I simply can't play on 30 fps....let alone less. :S

Can you tell me what playing on 60 fps is like, because then I may be able to understand you better as a regular 30 fps-er.


Er not sure? Well, on 30 fps I always have a delay between my clicks and what I want to do. Same things happen when my ping skyrockets for some reason and goes to like, 200+. So i you have ping lag it's the same to me as lower fps. ;/
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 23:18:50
May 20 2011 23:18 GMT
#15173
Well I can play at like 80 fps with the highest quality but when I use vertical sync it's about 30 fps and that actually is better for the eyes. i don't get how 30 fps can appear laggy when your eyes definitely don't even process 30 pictures in a second, let alone 100.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
May 20 2011 23:20 GMT
#15174
Ezreal: "The game got a lot easier when my team told me Alistar is a tank."
But why?
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
May 20 2011 23:23 GMT
#15175
On May 21 2011 08:14 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 07:32 unichan wrote:
On May 21 2011 06:53 BlackPaladin wrote:
Yep but the streamer needs to play on the 30 fps, which is where my question is directed at lol. I tried streaming before but if I wanted even 30 fps my quality was crappy and I simply can't play on 30 fps....let alone less. :S

Can you tell me what playing on 60 fps is like, because then I may be able to understand you better as a regular 30 fps-er.


Er not sure? Well, on 30 fps I always have a delay between my clicks and what I want to do. Same things happen when my ping skyrockets for some reason and goes to like, 200+. So i you have ping lag it's the same to me as lower fps. ;/

O YA LOL that happens. I've played LoL on my friend's computer and everything always looks so beautiful and smooth. One of my friends got a new computer went from being a laggy lagger like me to being a proballer 60 fps-er and he informed me that the game has actually become "fun", and that he will not spend as much time trolling with me anymore =/
:)
TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 23:24:53
May 20 2011 23:24 GMT
#15176
On May 21 2011 06:53 BlackPaladin wrote:
Yep but the streamer needs to play on the 30 fps, which is where my question is directed at lol. I tried streaming before but if I wanted even 30 fps my quality was crappy and I simply can't play on 30 fps....let alone less. :S


It is possible to play at 60 fps while streaming at 30. Streaming at 30 fps vs 60 will cut down on the bandwidth needed by ~half.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 23:49:36
May 20 2011 23:47 GMT
#15177
My good computer is broke, so Ive been playing at about 30 fps instead of 60, it's quite the difference. I used to play at 20 fps(with an occasional really really bad "lag spike" where it would go to 5-10) all the way to lvl 30 and for almost all of my ranked games, and i was just use to the framerate I suppose I was usually the most farmed in the game, so.. it's not impossible to play if your used to it. I don't play nearly as much as I used to though .
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
May 21 2011 00:05 GMT
#15178
On May 21 2011 08:18 Shikyo wrote:
Well I can play at like 80 fps with the highest quality but when I use vertical sync it's about 30 fps and that actually is better for the eyes. i don't get how 30 fps can appear laggy when your eyes definitely don't even process 30 pictures in a second, let alone 100.


ah shikyo

can always rely on you

your eyes can process way more than 30 fps, you are absolutely wrong. If you don't believe me, start a thread in TL general discussion or something because it's not worth cluttering this thread.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
May 21 2011 02:25 GMT
#15179
marcou hasn't unfriended me~
i'm so glad i have such a quality friend.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
May 21 2011 02:48 GMT
#15180
Honestly, I don't really see a difference between 30 and 60 fps when playing.once you get down to 20,25 fps then it is noticeble.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
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