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HazMat
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Brees
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now I really am 1600 | ||
Two_DoWn
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crazeman
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hmm wish I knew about this sooner, I used to get that error whenever the game was updated. I resorted to downloading the standalone client every time, which was a big pain in the butt. Maybe updating to the new patcher would also help? | ||
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BlackPaladin
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On April 27 2011 13:49 HazMat wrote: radjacob was a good player. When did this happen?  | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On April 27 2011 13:53 Two_DoWn wrote: What was the last champion re work that riot didn't completely fuck up? Im trying to think and for the life of me nothing is coming. Ryze? | ||
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Two_DoWn
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Fishcakes
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On April 27 2011 13:53 Two_DoWn wrote: What was the last champion re work that riot didn't completely fuck up? Im trying to think and for the life of me nothing is coming. Ryze/Teemo is kinda good... | ||
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crate
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On April 27 2011 13:53 Two_DoWn wrote: What was the last champion re work that riot didn't completely fuck up? Im trying to think and for the life of me nothing is coming. How big a rework do you want? Lee Sin and Sona saw some reasonably significant changes recently and they're both better off now and not OP. Do you say Riot completely fucked up the Ryze rework? Eve, Renekton, and Urgot? Like, okay, Riot undoubtedly fucked over Pantheon, we can agree on that. Seems to me that (let's wait to judge the most recent patch) most of the rest of Riot's recent work on old champion is going in the right direction though. | ||
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Ryuu314
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On April 27 2011 14:06 crate wrote: How big a rework do you want? Lee Sin and Sona saw some reasonably significant changes recently and they're both better off now and not OP. Do you say Riot completely fucked up the Ryze rework? Eve, Renekton, and Urgot? Like, okay, Riot undoubtedly fucked over Pantheon, we can agree on that. Seems to me that (let's wait to judge the most recent patch) most of the rest of Riot's recent work on old champion is going in the right direction though. Well to be fair, Lee Sin is pretty underwhelming in comparison to many other champs that play his role. Sona went from OP to UP (with most recent patch she may be okay now, but too soon to say imo). Eve reworked fucked her over to the point where she's really only good against bad, uncoordinated teams. Renekton and Urgot didn't so much get reworks as they simply just go some nerfs, so I personally don't consider them to have been "reworked." Ryze rework was pretty well done, except for the fact that Ryze is probably the best caster in the game now by far, bordering on OP (again, with recent patch stuff may have changed but still kinda early to say). @Fishcakes: Teemo never really got "reworked." He more or less just got steadily buffed for like 5 patches in a row and then Rain Man showed up and started raping face with him and now Teemo es number 1. | ||
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crate
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I contend that even if the new Ryze is OP he's still far more interesting to have in the game than the old Ryze and the rework was a sucess from that perspective. And I was talking about the Renekton and Urgot buffs that took them from useless to good, not the smaller more recent changes. Eve I'll concede ... personally I think having Eve weak is much better for the game as a whole than having her be useful is though, so I liked the Eve nerfs. If you're only looking at reworks that seriously change how the champion works then there really aren't too many to look at anyway. Certainly the current TF is far, far better for the game than his original global-TP-with-a-40-second-CD incarnation, for instance. It's too early to judge the Ali and Gangplank ones. Ryze has been discussed. What others are there to even look at? | ||
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sRapers_ValkS
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On April 27 2011 14:09 Ryuu314 wrote: Well to be fair, Lee Sin is pretty underwhelming in comparison to many other champs that play his role. Sona went from OP to UP (with most recent patch she may be okay now, but too soon to say imo). Eve reworked fucked her over to the point where she's really only good against bad, uncoordinated teams. Renekton and Urgot didn't so much get reworks as they simply just go some nerfs, so I personally don't consider them to have been "reworked." Ryze rework was pretty well done, except for the fact that Ryze is probably the best caster in the game now by far, bordering on OP (again, with recent patch stuff may have changed but still kinda early to say). @Fishcakes: Teemo never really got "reworked." He more or less just got steadily buffed for like 5 patches in a row and then Rain Man showed up and started raping face with him and now Teemo es number 1. i just can't agree that eve is only good against very bad teams =[. however i do agree that her walk rework is totally retarded. i want my fuckin crabwalk back. that's honestly the biggest incentive not to play her for me. | ||
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Two_DoWn
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Re works I can recall atm: Ryze: Horribly op atm. His laning is completely broken, and he can go full tank and deal more damage than most casters. GP:lol Alistar: Cant really speak to this, but according to most accounts he now blows. Renek: I guess its fine, but then again I havent seen like a single renek since his re work Morde: Didnt really play at the time he got his re work/buffs, but from what I remember he went from tier 3 to shit tier. Sona: I guess its technically a rework. But since it didnt address the fact that she still outclassed by zil/janna/taric, meh? Teemo: Broke the game with split pushing. Eve: Lol again. | ||
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LoCicero
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Tooplark
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Two_DoWn
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jtype
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Their TF rework was decent. The original TF was a bit on the OP side and his E was just a passive to give gold per kill, iirc. I actually found an old game I frapsed of me playing him from back when my team was tearing it up in beta. We had a run of sub-15 minute wins for about a week, which lead them to change the neutral creep spawns and rework TF. | ||
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crate
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On April 27 2011 14:42 jtype wrote: Their TF rework was decent. The original TF was a bit on the OP side and his E was just a passive to give gold per kill, iirc. I actually found an old game I frapsed of me playing him from back when my team was tearing it up in beta. We had a run of sub-15 minute wins for about a week, which lead them to change the neutral creep spawns and rework TF. TF used to have R be a global reveal/slow (for a while it was a stupidly strong slow too) and E was Gate. Global TP on a 40 second base CD, real balanced. Also gold card used to be strictly better than red card and PAC letting you choose was basically just a method to punish people with inconsistent ping. | ||
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Ryuu314
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On April 27 2011 14:14 crate wrote: @Ryuu: I was talking about the more recent Sona change, which I don't think you can really call a nerf (the one with her passive changing to apply different effects). Lee Sin is still a bit underwhelming, sure, but do you think that Riot "completely fucked up" with him? I contend that even if the new Ryze is OP he's still far more interesting to have in the game than the old Ryze and the rework was a sucess from that perspective. And I was talking about the Renekton and Urgot buffs that took them from useless to good, not the smaller more recent changes. Eve I'll concede ... personally I think having Eve weak is much better for the game as a whole than having her be useful is though, so I liked the Eve nerfs. If you're only looking at reworks that seriously change how the champion works then there really aren't too many to look at anyway. Certainly the current TF is far, far better for the game than his original global-TP-with-a-40-second-CD incarnation, for instance. It's too early to judge the Ali and Gangplank ones. Ryze has been discussed. What others are there to even look at? Sona's recent changes aren't nerfs, I agree. But even so, I really don't think the changes helped her in any real way. She's still sub-par compared to other supports like Janna/Taric/Zilean. Personally, I feel like Riot fucked up with Lee Sin, but Lee Sin was fucked up as soon as he was released and the buffs didn't really do much, if anything for his viability. Ryze is better than he was before the rework, but Riot went too far imo. He's OP to the point where in almost every high elo game (in tourneys at least) he's banned. I wasn't around for the old, OP TF so I can't say. From what I see, Alistar rework was completely unnecessary. Before, he was a very strong, balanced champ. Whether this patch is a buff or nerf we'll see. GP went from strong, to bad, to absolutely crap. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
On April 27 2011 14:44 crate wrote: TF used to have R be a global reveal/slow (for a while it was a stupidly strong slow too) and E was Gate. Global TP on a 40 second base CD, real balanced. Also gold card used to be strictly better than red card and PAC letting you choose was basically just a method to punish people with inconsistent ping. Ok yea, I remember E now, lol. Can't believe I forgot all that since I used to main him (still play him a lot tho). Well Gold card used to have AOE damage and an AOE stun, which they then changed to an AOE slow and a single target stun and then to what it is now. Blue card used to give you a chance to pick a card for free again, which was amazing for taking towers down with sheen procs. | ||
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