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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 02 2015 14:57 GMT
#21
I played a whole bunch of hero league games with an Abathur yesterday, and we won them all. Before many of the games, some our teammates would bitch about the pick. The Abathur hate is irrational. He's really good, especially if he has someone good to symbiote ***cough*** Zeratul ***cough***.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
April 02 2015 16:20 GMT
#22
Illidan with hat and the +atk speed talent is also just madness. Increases his healing so much.
Get off my lawn, young punks
shiroiusagi
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
April 02 2015 17:53 GMT
#23
On April 02 2015 17:37 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 08:51 shiroiusagi wrote:
On April 02 2015 03:18 739 wrote:
Hey, happy birthday me!


Happy Birthday Oxy!

Wait, I didn't write that :d


Was trying to take out all the darn quoting haha.
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Lobotomist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1541 Posts
April 02 2015 21:25 GMT
#24
On April 02 2015 23:57 xDaunt wrote:
I played a whole bunch of hero league games with an Abathur yesterday, and we won them all. Before many of the games, some our teammates would bitch about the pick. The Abathur hate is irrational. He's really good, especially if he has someone good to symbiote ***cough*** Zeratul ***cough***.

Abathur...good? But....what will i believe in any more? :D
Teching to hive too quickly isn't just a risk: it's an ultrarisk
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
April 02 2015 21:47 GMT
#25
On April 02 2015 23:57 xDaunt wrote:
I played a whole bunch of hero league games with an Abathur yesterday, and we won them all. Before many of the games, some our teammates would bitch about the pick. The Abathur hate is irrational. He's really good, especially if he has someone good to symbiote ***cough*** Zeratul ***cough***.


Just don't be one of the Abathur's that blindly hat's Nova. If I wasn't sure which Nova to kill before, now I am =D.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 03 2015 15:01 GMT
#26
Can you target the clone with that? That could be a hilarious mindgame.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
April 03 2015 18:11 GMT
#27
I would assume you can and it would probably be a better idea anyways, since the clone tends to sit around in the midst of a fight while the real Nova tries to sneak away.

But alas, I don't own Abathur.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
April 03 2015 18:52 GMT
#28
On April 02 2015 23:57 xDaunt wrote:
I played a whole bunch of hero league games with an Abathur yesterday, and we won them all. Before many of the games, some our teammates would bitch about the pick. The Abathur hate is irrational. He's really good, especially if he has someone good to symbiote ***cough*** Zeratul ***cough***.


So other than having someone like Zeratul or Illidan, what other heroes would be good in an Abathur comp?
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
April 03 2015 23:46 GMT
#29
On April 04 2015 03:52 Chairman Ray wrote:


So other than having someone like Zeratul or Illidan, what other heroes would be good in an Abathur comp?

Murky!

Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
April 04 2015 17:24 GMT
#30
I disagree with picking Abathur without first ensuring there's a good team comp to support it. He's an incredibly powerful hero, but he's not a A-list autopick for any team comp imo. Played some hero league yesterday where the enemy Abathur was first pick and they just had nothing really worthwhile for him to symbiote and support, game didn't end well for them at all. Definitely very strong, just needs to be chosen in the context of a entire team imo
alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany629 Posts
April 04 2015 19:38 GMT
#31
I am waiting for that Raynor analysis. It feels like his autoattack build became viable again with the dmg buff, provided you have a reliable source of CC to trigger the executioner.
Oxygg
Profile Joined October 2014
Canada42 Posts
April 04 2015 21:02 GMT
#32
On April 05 2015 04:38 alpenrahm wrote:
I am waiting for that Raynor analysis. It feels like his autoattack build became viable again with the dmg buff, provided you have a reliable source of CC to trigger the executioner.


It's been up for a long time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/heroes/479944-heroes-raynor-what-ever-happened-to-baby-james

alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-04 21:30:35
April 04 2015 21:28 GMT
#33
On April 05 2015 06:02 Oxygg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2015 04:38 alpenrahm wrote:
I am waiting for that Raynor analysis. It feels like his autoattack build became viable again with the dmg buff, provided you have a reliable source of CC to trigger the executioner.


It's been up for a long time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/heroes/479944-heroes-raynor-what-ever-happened-to-baby-james



i read that one, but the prequisite changed with the sylvanas patch dmg buff +12dmg per lvl instead of +11

it just means that at lvl 20 you have 35+12x20=275 instead of 255 dmg per shot on your auto attack.
it doesn´t sound like a lot but considering that Raynor has Executioner aswell as several Attack speed buffs it amounts to a lot.

here s the math:

275 dmg @ lvl 20 with 32 Stacks on the Marksman (which is the usual average) means that he hits for a whooping

(275+32)*1,4 = 429 Dmg per attack

and Raynor starts with 1.25 attacks per second + 25% (1,56 Aps) from inspire +20% from nexus frenzy (1.87 Aps) amounts to him dealing 804 points of Damage per second. Ontop of his Q and his Ult. Compared to 751 Dps pre sylvanas patch.

The question now is, if that is enough of a dmg Buff to let Raynors Auto attack build be viable? and dont forget that you have to sacrifice the extra heal from the lvl 1 talent, aswell as your entire Q build and Bolt on lvl 20

from my experience (rank 20 eu ...) the Auto attack build really shines if you have a comp with good crowd control (jaina mostly Jaina for the mass slows) and solid tanking while your enemies refrained from picking Hardcounters to Raynor such as Nova and Illidan.

Oxygg
Profile Joined October 2014
Canada42 Posts
April 05 2015 06:49 GMT
#34
On April 05 2015 06:28 alpenrahm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2015 06:02 Oxygg wrote:
On April 05 2015 04:38 alpenrahm wrote:
I am waiting for that Raynor analysis. It feels like his autoattack build became viable again with the dmg buff, provided you have a reliable source of CC to trigger the executioner.


It's been up for a long time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/heroes/479944-heroes-raynor-what-ever-happened-to-baby-james



i read that one, but the prequisite changed with the sylvanas patch dmg buff +12dmg per lvl instead of +11

it just means that at lvl 20 you have 35+12x20=275 instead of 255 dmg per shot on your auto attack.
it doesn´t sound like a lot but considering that Raynor has Executioner aswell as several Attack speed buffs it amounts to a lot.

here s the math:

275 dmg @ lvl 20 with 32 Stacks on the Marksman (which is the usual average) means that he hits for a whooping

(275+32)*1,4 = 429 Dmg per attack

and Raynor starts with 1.25 attacks per second + 25% (1,56 Aps) from inspire +20% from nexus frenzy (1.87 Aps) amounts to him dealing 804 points of Damage per second. Ontop of his Q and his Ult. Compared to 751 Dps pre sylvanas patch.

The question now is, if that is enough of a dmg Buff to let Raynors Auto attack build be viable? and dont forget that you have to sacrifice the extra heal from the lvl 1 talent, aswell as your entire Q build and Bolt on lvl 20

from my experience (rank 20 eu ...) the Auto attack build really shines if you have a comp with good crowd control (jaina mostly Jaina for the mass slows) and solid tanking while your enemies refrained from picking Hardcounters to Raynor such as Nova and Illidan.



So, basically, Raynor is good if you pick all-in offensive talents with a good team comp against a bad team comp and make it to level 20? Great!
alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany629 Posts
April 05 2015 15:04 GMT
#35
On April 05 2015 15:49 Oxygg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2015 06:28 alpenrahm wrote:
On April 05 2015 06:02 Oxygg wrote:
On April 05 2015 04:38 alpenrahm wrote:
I am waiting for that Raynor analysis. It feels like his autoattack build became viable again with the dmg buff, provided you have a reliable source of CC to trigger the executioner.


It's been up for a long time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/heroes/479944-heroes-raynor-what-ever-happened-to-baby-james



i read that one, but the prequisite changed with the sylvanas patch dmg buff +12dmg per lvl instead of +11

it just means that at lvl 20 you have 35+12x20=275 instead of 255 dmg per shot on your auto attack.
it doesn´t sound like a lot but considering that Raynor has Executioner aswell as several Attack speed buffs it amounts to a lot.

here s the math:

275 dmg @ lvl 20 with 32 Stacks on the Marksman (which is the usual average) means that he hits for a whooping

(275+32)*1,4 = 429 Dmg per attack

and Raynor starts with 1.25 attacks per second + 25% (1,56 Aps) from inspire +20% from nexus frenzy (1.87 Aps) amounts to him dealing 804 points of Damage per second. Ontop of his Q and his Ult. Compared to 751 Dps pre sylvanas patch.

The question now is, if that is enough of a dmg Buff to let Raynors Auto attack build be viable? and dont forget that you have to sacrifice the extra heal from the lvl 1 talent, aswell as your entire Q build and Bolt on lvl 20

from my experience (rank 20 eu ...) the Auto attack build really shines if you have a comp with good crowd control (jaina mostly Jaina for the mass slows) and solid tanking while your enemies refrained from picking Hardcounters to Raynor such as Nova and Illidan.



So, basically, Raynor is good if you pick all-in offensive talents with a good team comp against a bad team comp and make it to level 20? Great!


YES nailed it!
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
April 06 2015 13:56 GMT
#36
On April 04 2015 03:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 23:57 xDaunt wrote:
I played a whole bunch of hero league games with an Abathur yesterday, and we won them all. Before many of the games, some our teammates would bitch about the pick. The Abathur hate is irrational. He's really good, especially if he has someone good to symbiote ***cough*** Zeratul ***cough***.


So other than having someone like Zeratul or Illidan, what other heroes would be good in an Abathur comp?


I have only recently started playing Abathur so I am no expert, but his symbiotic abilities have pretty short range so any heroes that can get into the middle of the enemies and stay in the middle of them through either CC or mobility are definitely best. This can be CC/engage tanks like Arthas/ETC/Tyrael/Sonya/Anub/Muradin, or mobile assassins like Zeratul (my personal fav), Thrall, Kerrigan, or Illidan. I think Abathur really shines with the melee assassins though because he can provide them the little extra tankiness they need to stick in the fight longer with his shield and other possible healing talents, and the 25% increase AA speed is usually great on them.
I got nothin'...
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-06 14:10:28
April 06 2015 14:10 GMT
#37
On April 04 2015 03:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2015 23:57 xDaunt wrote:
I played a whole bunch of hero league games with an Abathur yesterday, and we won them all. Before many of the games, some our teammates would bitch about the pick. The Abathur hate is irrational. He's really good, especially if he has someone good to symbiote ***cough*** Zeratul ***cough***.


So other than having someone like Zeratul or Illidan, what other heroes would be good in an Abathur comp?

As a general rule, melee heroes who are good at sticking to their targets are good with Abathur. The best are the ones with high burst for obvious reasons (Zeratul), but the autoattack-dependent heroes are also good (Illidan and Thrall). The other hero that is a beast with Abathur is Chen, just because that damned panda can drink ale for days while Symbiote does work. With Symbiote, Chen can 1v2 pretty much any combination and can even 1v3 some others.
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
April 06 2015 15:15 GMT
#38
On April 06 2015 23:10 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2015 03:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
On April 02 2015 23:57 xDaunt wrote:
I played a whole bunch of hero league games with an Abathur yesterday, and we won them all. Before many of the games, some our teammates would bitch about the pick. The Abathur hate is irrational. He's really good, especially if he has someone good to symbiote ***cough*** Zeratul ***cough***.


So other than having someone like Zeratul or Illidan, what other heroes would be good in an Abathur comp?

As a general rule, melee heroes who are good at sticking to their targets are good with Abathur. The best are the ones with high burst for obvious reasons (Zeratul), but the autoattack-dependent heroes are also good (Illidan and Thrall). The other hero that is a beast with Abathur is Chen, just because that damned panda can drink ale for days while Symbiote does work. With Symbiote, Chen can 1v2 pretty much any combination and can even 1v3 some others.


Backdoor Abathur with all of the Locust talents is very very strong if the other team doesn't have globals, and it isn't really dependent on your team's comp. Having to almost 4v5 for the first 13/16 levels is kinda meh, but after that it's so hard for a pub to deal with.

I'm not even sure how you deal with it if you don't have a global to kill him when he goes in.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 06 2015 15:39 GMT
#39
On April 07 2015 00:15 dae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2015 23:10 xDaunt wrote:
On April 04 2015 03:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
On April 02 2015 23:57 xDaunt wrote:
I played a whole bunch of hero league games with an Abathur yesterday, and we won them all. Before many of the games, some our teammates would bitch about the pick. The Abathur hate is irrational. He's really good, especially if he has someone good to symbiote ***cough*** Zeratul ***cough***.


So other than having someone like Zeratul or Illidan, what other heroes would be good in an Abathur comp?

As a general rule, melee heroes who are good at sticking to their targets are good with Abathur. The best are the ones with high burst for obvious reasons (Zeratul), but the autoattack-dependent heroes are also good (Illidan and Thrall). The other hero that is a beast with Abathur is Chen, just because that damned panda can drink ale for days while Symbiote does work. With Symbiote, Chen can 1v2 pretty much any combination and can even 1v3 some others.


Backdoor Abathur with all of the Locust talents is very very strong if the other team doesn't have globals, and it isn't really dependent on your team's comp. Having to almost 4v5 for the first 13/16 levels is kinda meh, but after that it's so hard for a pub to deal with.

I'm not even sure how you deal with it if you don't have a global to kill him when he goes in.

It is strong against bad/uncoordinated teams. The way to beat it is to force and win a teamfight and push with a boss or other map objective to victory.
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
April 07 2015 16:29 GMT
#40
I'm really enjoying the high quality of content in the HotS forum, keep up the good work!
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