EPTSylvanas Patch Notes Commentary & Analysis - Page 2
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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shiroiusagi
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
Was trying to take out all the darn quoting haha. | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
On April 02 2015 23:57 xDaunt wrote: I played a whole bunch of hero league games with an Abathur yesterday, and we won them all. Before many of the games, some our teammates would bitch about the pick. The Abathur hate is irrational. He's really good, especially if he has someone good to symbiote ***cough*** Zeratul ***cough***. Abathur...good? But....what will i believe in any more? :D | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On April 02 2015 23:57 xDaunt wrote: I played a whole bunch of hero league games with an Abathur yesterday, and we won them all. Before many of the games, some our teammates would bitch about the pick. The Abathur hate is irrational. He's really good, especially if he has someone good to symbiote ***cough*** Zeratul ***cough***. Just don't be one of the Abathur's that blindly hat's Nova. If I wasn't sure which Nova to kill before, now I am =D. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Wuster
1974 Posts
But alas, I don't own Abathur. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On April 02 2015 23:57 xDaunt wrote: I played a whole bunch of hero league games with an Abathur yesterday, and we won them all. Before many of the games, some our teammates would bitch about the pick. The Abathur hate is irrational. He's really good, especially if he has someone good to symbiote ***cough*** Zeratul ***cough***. So other than having someone like Zeratul or Illidan, what other heroes would be good in an Abathur comp? | ||
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Big G
Italy835 Posts
On April 04 2015 03:52 Chairman Ray wrote: So other than having someone like Zeratul or Illidan, what other heroes would be good in an Abathur comp? Murky! | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
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alpenrahm
Germany629 Posts
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Oxygg
Canada42 Posts
On April 05 2015 04:38 alpenrahm wrote: I am waiting for that Raynor analysis. It feels like his autoattack build became viable again with the dmg buff, provided you have a reliable source of CC to trigger the executioner. It's been up for a long time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/heroes/479944-heroes-raynor-what-ever-happened-to-baby-james  | ||
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alpenrahm
Germany629 Posts
On April 05 2015 06:02 Oxygg wrote: It's been up for a long time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/heroes/479944-heroes-raynor-what-ever-happened-to-baby-james i read that one, but the prequisite changed with the sylvanas patch dmg buff +12dmg per lvl instead of +11 it just means that at lvl 20 you have 35+12x20=275 instead of 255 dmg per shot on your auto attack. it doesn´t sound like a lot but considering that Raynor has Executioner aswell as several Attack speed buffs it amounts to a lot. here s the math: 275 dmg @ lvl 20 with 32 Stacks on the Marksman (which is the usual average) means that he hits for a whooping (275+32)*1,4 = 429 Dmg per attack and Raynor starts with 1.25 attacks per second + 25% (1,56 Aps) from inspire +20% from nexus frenzy (1.87 Aps) amounts to him dealing 804 points of Damage per second. Ontop of his Q and his Ult. Compared to 751 Dps pre sylvanas patch. The question now is, if that is enough of a dmg Buff to let Raynors Auto attack build be viable? and dont forget that you have to sacrifice the extra heal from the lvl 1 talent, aswell as your entire Q build and Bolt on lvl 20 from my experience (rank 20 eu ...) the Auto attack build really shines if you have a comp with good crowd control (jaina mostly Jaina for the mass slows) and solid tanking while your enemies refrained from picking Hardcounters to Raynor such as Nova and Illidan. | ||
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Oxygg
Canada42 Posts
On April 05 2015 06:28 alpenrahm wrote: i read that one, but the prequisite changed with the sylvanas patch dmg buff +12dmg per lvl instead of +11 it just means that at lvl 20 you have 35+12x20=275 instead of 255 dmg per shot on your auto attack. it doesn´t sound like a lot but considering that Raynor has Executioner aswell as several Attack speed buffs it amounts to a lot. here s the math: 275 dmg @ lvl 20 with 32 Stacks on the Marksman (which is the usual average) means that he hits for a whooping (275+32)*1,4 = 429 Dmg per attack and Raynor starts with 1.25 attacks per second + 25% (1,56 Aps) from inspire +20% from nexus frenzy (1.87 Aps) amounts to him dealing 804 points of Damage per second. Ontop of his Q and his Ult. Compared to 751 Dps pre sylvanas patch. The question now is, if that is enough of a dmg Buff to let Raynors Auto attack build be viable? and dont forget that you have to sacrifice the extra heal from the lvl 1 talent, aswell as your entire Q build and Bolt on lvl 20 from my experience (rank 20 eu ...) the Auto attack build really shines if you have a comp with good crowd control (jaina mostly Jaina for the mass slows) and solid tanking while your enemies refrained from picking Hardcounters to Raynor such as Nova and Illidan. So, basically, Raynor is good if you pick all-in offensive talents with a good team comp against a bad team comp and make it to level 20? Great! | ||
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alpenrahm
Germany629 Posts
On April 05 2015 15:49 Oxygg wrote: So, basically, Raynor is good if you pick all-in offensive talents with a good team comp against a bad team comp and make it to level 20? Great! YES nailed it! | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
On April 04 2015 03:52 Chairman Ray wrote: So other than having someone like Zeratul or Illidan, what other heroes would be good in an Abathur comp? I have only recently started playing Abathur so I am no expert, but his symbiotic abilities have pretty short range so any heroes that can get into the middle of the enemies and stay in the middle of them through either CC or mobility are definitely best. This can be CC/engage tanks like Arthas/ETC/Tyrael/Sonya/Anub/Muradin, or mobile assassins like Zeratul (my personal fav), Thrall, Kerrigan, or Illidan. I think Abathur really shines with the melee assassins though because he can provide them the little extra tankiness they need to stick in the fight longer with his shield and other possible healing talents, and the 25% increase AA speed is usually great on them. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On April 04 2015 03:52 Chairman Ray wrote: So other than having someone like Zeratul or Illidan, what other heroes would be good in an Abathur comp? As a general rule, melee heroes who are good at sticking to their targets are good with Abathur. The best are the ones with high burst for obvious reasons (Zeratul), but the autoattack-dependent heroes are also good (Illidan and Thrall). The other hero that is a beast with Abathur is Chen, just because that damned panda can drink ale for days while Symbiote does work. With Symbiote, Chen can 1v2 pretty much any combination and can even 1v3 some others. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On April 06 2015 23:10 xDaunt wrote: As a general rule, melee heroes who are good at sticking to their targets are good with Abathur. The best are the ones with high burst for obvious reasons (Zeratul), but the autoattack-dependent heroes are also good (Illidan and Thrall). The other hero that is a beast with Abathur is Chen, just because that damned panda can drink ale for days while Symbiote does work. With Symbiote, Chen can 1v2 pretty much any combination and can even 1v3 some others. Backdoor Abathur with all of the Locust talents is very very strong if the other team doesn't have globals, and it isn't really dependent on your team's comp. Having to almost 4v5 for the first 13/16 levels is kinda meh, but after that it's so hard for a pub to deal with. I'm not even sure how you deal with it if you don't have a global to kill him when he goes in. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On April 07 2015 00:15 dae wrote: Backdoor Abathur with all of the Locust talents is very very strong if the other team doesn't have globals, and it isn't really dependent on your team's comp. Having to almost 4v5 for the first 13/16 levels is kinda meh, but after that it's so hard for a pub to deal with. I'm not even sure how you deal with it if you don't have a global to kill him when he goes in. It is strong against bad/uncoordinated teams. The way to beat it is to force and win a teamfight and push with a boss or other map objective to victory. | ||
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Xorphene
United Kingdom492 Posts
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