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On May 22 2016 18:29 ApocAlypsE007 wrote:
Hey, I'm new in this game and MOBA's in general, how many heroes and which class you suggest picking up? I seem to gravitate towards playing support healing heroes, my best with what I've played seems Malfurion.
This is still true if you skip the recommended heroes/builds:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/heroes/486869-welcome-to-the-nexus-a-basic-guide-to-heroes-of-the-storm
Malfurion is a good hero to begin with, becaus you can just build into full heal and spam your Q,
There's really no better way to learn than just playing the free week heroes, unless you have a lot of money to burn to buy new ones.
I think the quintessential heroes for a beginner are:
-Muradin and Johanna as tanks
-Raynor and Zagara as range DPS
-Li-Li and Malfurion as healers
These 6 (or 1 in each category) should give you a decent idea how each role plays, but a beginner should focus mostly on understanding the game tempo:
-don't miss XP soak
-don't be late to objectives
-don't die (this is one is the most important I think, if you have no reason to fight or no way to win, then just don't fight)
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On May 22 2016 19:51 Ej_ wrote:
Snip.
Thank you very much for the answer. I will focus on the heroes you suggested, I'm kind of obsessive towards not dying but occasionally I walk into ambushes or get stunned and gunned down in big team fights when they slaughter our entire team.
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On May 23 2016 17:15 ApocAlypsE007 wrote:Thank you very much for the answer. I will focus on the heroes you suggested, I'm kind of obsessive towards not dying but occasionally I walk into ambushes or get stunned and gunned down in big team fights when they slaughter our entire team.
Of the 6 heroes mentioned, 5 can poke on long range! This is very useful to remember when walking near a bush you expect enemies to be.
Muradin: Storm Bolt (Q) + Escape with Dwarf Toss (E)
Johanna: Shield Glare (E) + Escape with Iron Skin (D)
Raynor: Penetrating Round (Q)
Zagara: Baneling Barrage (Q), Infested Drop (E), Creep Tumor (D)
Malfurion: Moonfire (W)
Never facecheck a bush if you have one of these spells to use. most characters in the game have some sort of skillshot that can check bushes.
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Best solo support against burst with Rehgar/Uther claimed/banned? Cheers.
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On May 26 2016 00:23 Aiobhill wrote:
Best solo support against burst with Rehgar/Uther claimed/banned? Cheers.
Monk.
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On May 26 2016 01:15 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2016 00:23 Aiobhill wrote:
Best solo support against burst with Rehgar/Uther claimed/banned? Cheers. Monk.
Tassadar, I suppose, if you're a bad monk 
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How do you beat/compete (with) Zagara in lane?
I can't seem to so much verse her other than hang around, throw Q, wait for her to screw up and chunk her with WE, but she is still draining ammo...
How? How? TEACH ME MASTERS!
(noobthrall here)
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On May 26 2016 22:20 SC2Toastie wrote:
How do you beat/compete (with) Zagara in lane?
I can't seem to so much verse her other than hang around, throw Q, wait for her to screw up and chunk her with WE, but she is still draining ammo...
How? How? TEACH ME MASTERS!
(noobthrall here)
Oh with Thrall, my answer is Chen.
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I asked Thrall, winning a lane with Chen is as easy as D............. WED................WED................*walk to globe*WED................WED...................WED...............WE *walk to globe ..........
Sorta.
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On May 26 2016 22:46 SC2Toastie wrote:I asked Thrall, winning a lane with Chen is as easy as D............. WED................WED................*walk to globe*WED................WED...................WED...............WE *walk to globe .......... Sorta.
Got the broad strokes for sure, I dunno, I'm a piss poor thrall.
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On May 26 2016 22:20 SC2Toastie wrote:
How do you beat/compete (with) Zagara in lane?
I can't seem to so much verse her other than hang around, throw Q, wait for her to screw up and chunk her with WE, but she is still draining ammo...
How? How? TEACH ME MASTERS!
(noobthrall here)
Dude, you're Thrall, you eat EVERYONE in lane (Raynor is the only one I have trouble handling). You want to deplete her mana. You need the 1st CL talent to keep your mana and for survivability (check xdaunt build). It's ok if her waves get to the towers once or twice in the beginning.
Keep your E for hydralisk or for a good roots if hydralisk is in CD. If she hydralisks your face, you either back, or E the hydralisk (the best way IMO). Dont focus other summons. Spam your CL on her.
As long as you have mana, you can heal yourself.
Don't stay in the middle of your minions she has 2 AOE spells.
Your roots make her fear you if you don't waste it.
Unless you make an error on the hydralisk (or she's VERY good) you cannot lose the lane. Important to note, when she has no more mana she usually keeps it for hydralisk so don't get greedy, keep your E unless she's rooted and almost dead.
At level 7 (follow through) you're a god in lane.
And then you'll murder her in fights since she gave no advantage to her team in lane. :-)
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My issue with this is the Zagara usually uses the Hydralisk, and while I E it down, she is AA'ing me.
Is the proper way to play this somewhat close to this:
I Q Zagara, hit 2 AAs on the CL'd minions, walk around out of range.
When she Ws me, I E, kill the Hydra, walk away, go back to Q'ing the wave.
After 3/4 of these 'skirmishes', Zag will run out of mana and my Q can now slowly 'push' the lane towards her towers. Meanwhile, I save my E for the Hydralisk.
Past level 7, I can actually (nearly) kill her with a proper WEQ rotation and now the lane is mine.
Is this it?
Cus indeed, my biggest issue is with the Hydra DPS.
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To me, yes you do it right. You may be too agressive ? Maybe she doesn't fear your root enough ? (she should)
Your goal is to let her waste mana, and to kill the minions. If you can do that, the rest is bonus (getting a kill, winning the lane and such). Always balance risk / reward, you musn't always be at melee range from the wave if she's high mana lots of CDs.
I don't usually try to hit the CLed minions if it means getting hit too much. Or you can just CL the minions to be sure you'll hit the good ones without focusing on Zag, it's less greedy. I do both, but if I see she starts losing health I CL her mostly.
Globally you poke the minions, you hit and run and let her waste her mana while you try to not lose too much health because if you do you'll have trouble poking in again.
A good Zagara will indeed focus you when you E the hydra (very few at my level r1 to 5, 2500 MMR). But your E will heal you, so if you can follow this with a good root on Zag (and the minions between you and her for heal) at the moment the hydra dies you may be able to hit her a little especially after level 7. It also depends if the wave and the summons hit you or not.
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Are there any popular NA channels for team league? Very rarely is someone in the teamliquid channel, and there doesn't seem to be an easy way to access people who want to do team league. I could try General chats I guess?
Or I guess to generalize, which NA channels are popular?
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Any good resources for improving your game other than just practice? Thinking more thoeretical/gameplay vods etc. I watch the odd tournament match and Grubby s stream every now and then but took a break from the game and have hit a brick wall that's collapsed and is slowly crushing me and my mmr since returning.
I'm a little cautious re the guides on heroes fire and icy veins for builds and not sure how up to date the one here is.
Finally, what's Jainas dps 'rotation' to maximise damage?
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On May 31 2016 20:28 Immersion_ wrote:
Finally, what's Jainas dps 'rotation' to maximise damage?
This is basic math though... Like, you can play in try mode for 2 minutes and you would know this.
Anyways, with vulnerable on E, its E[QWR]. Without, it's either Q[WER] or W[QER], assuming you got ROF as the ult. The rotation doesn't matter, only the first hit to trigger Chilled.
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Fair enough and thanks, although the reason I asked was because I read it different somewhere else and didn't understand how the maths could work!
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So, I've played one game since Xul came out and all of a sudden feel like grinding to r10 for the preseason rewards (iirc I was around 17).
Which of my heroes are still in the meta?
Played a lot, win decently group - Valla, Illidan, Muradin, Stiches
Play a lot, mediocre at group - Sonya, Tassadar, Kharazim
Bad at, but willing to learn group - Malf, Anub, Arthas
Other owned lvl 5 heroes - ETC, Tyrael, Tychus, Raynor, Lili, Diablo
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You lack mages IMO. The 2 high impact supports are Tyrande and Rehgar (especially Rehg). And I think you may have too much "secondary roles" (secondary support and warrior).
Your play a lot group is still in the meta. Valla can be underwhelming, many heroes do her work better and safer than her (lunara, raynor, tracer). But a good Valla always works (I think now it's frost shot + executioner + searing arrows).
Illidan is very good but still hard as hell to make work, Stitches is good, Muradin is still good (build changed, a bit less powerful as a tank, a bit more dps though).
Sonya still good as secondary tank, Tassadar very good as secondary support, Kharazim still good.
Malf is OK, Arthas is good as secondary tank, Anub' is very good at secondary tank.
ETC good, Tyrael still hard to play in the meta (secondary tank), Tychus not good, Raynor good, Lili OK, Diablo good.
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Anything known when the 50% Bonus XP boost kicks in?
It is June 2nd after all.
edit: oh, it kicked in. Sorry 'bout that.
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