Heroes Large General Thread - Page 170

On November 05 2014 00:12 ref4 wrote:
snowball exists because heroes have a growth curve (from level 1 to level 25) and a power curve (positively correlated with net worth/items) per game. Removing both the growth and power curve will just reduce a MOBA to WoW arena.

On November 05 2014 00:33 Hider wrote:


Not true at all. LOL or Heroes of the Storm without these snowball-effects would still be dramastically different from Wow Arena. And you can get any type of MOBA game you want by removing the snowball effect or not putting it in there in the first place. There are tons of other variables you can tweak on.

On November 05 2014 00:33 Hider wrote:


Not true at all. You can get any type of MOBA game you want by removing the snowball effect or not putting it in there in the first place. There are tons of other variables you can tweak on.

The point that everybody but you understands is that "the snowball effect" is in fact the simple progression of heroes along a power curve in an RPG-like manner.

Yeh I think the RPG element is something that the MOBA genre will get rid of over time.

Removing that ingredient (which hots has moved towards already with the no-items etc type system) fundamentally alters the game genre.

If you wanna play a game mode where everybody starts at cap level and thats that, go make that custom game in the SC2 editor or something.

On November 05 2014 00:46 Hider wrote:


Please read my posts. Below is a quote where I indeed did acknowledge it, but simultanesly argued it wasn't a good concept.




Yes, that's my whole point. Existing MOBA's like League and DOTA can't just remove last-hitting, but if your a new game developer then you could indeed start out by balancing the game around a new concept. This was what Heroes did, and the same concept applies to the "reward"-mechanic. I believe this (if done right) will ultimately lead to a better game, and thus I think it could be the 3rd-generation of MOBA's.



There are so many things wrong with this comment. First of all Sc2 arcade is dead. Secondly, it's pretty time consuming. Thirdly, this is just one aspect of what I consider to be the next-step MOBA. In order for a new MOBA to be succesful it needs to differentiate it self even further, and needs to have super high quality.
Obviously I wanna play a game with alot of other people.

On November 05 2014 00:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
depends.
I'd describe the genre as "5v5 3rd person RPG"
there's definitely more to it than that but
"RTS" has preeeetty much 0 to do with it

As far as I can tell you want 3rd person counterstrike lol except without the economy. Maybe 3rd person Call of Duty or something like that.

On November 05 2014 00:56 ComaDose wrote:
what reward mechanic?

On November 05 2014 00:58 ComaDose wrote:
which one are you suggesting I mean.

So let me go back to my previous example. If we look at a typical MOBA, it has X bases/towers. Before you can kill enemy nexuss you need to have killed (the majority of) those towers.
What I imagine is that you win a teambattle, and then you have the possbility of killing an enemy base/tower.

In most MOBA's, however, the winning team gets ahead, but is often very injured after a battle and therefore needs to go back to base to heal and then farm a bit as it often times can't do critical follow up damage after the battle.

What I would look at - assuming I was in charge of experimenting with a new MOBA - is to get rid of the whole "back to base"/farm-mechanic after a battle and instead just let the team go straight for one of the enemy bases while being able to heal the heroes simultanesly. With this approach I believe it would be possible to maintain an average game duration close to that of Heroes but without the same snowball mechanic.

On November 05 2014 01:02 Sn0_Man wrote:
yeah so its literally round-based 5-v-5 fights permanently on equal footing is ur recommendation

He's suggesting none, from what I see, because he wants to remove all snowballing effects.