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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Here is my proposed ban/limited list, do you think it would be a good idea or have any suggestions? Banned Cards Big Game Hunter Dr Boom Unstable Portal Ragnaros the Firelord Limited Cards (Only 1 copy allowed) Mountain Giant Fel Reaver MechWarper Crackle Preparation Hunters Mark Wild Growth | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
For physical card games, there are occasional bans in certain format because if a card was printed and was overpowered it's much more difficult to fix. This is still a digital game, what you're suggesting is like if a tournament in Starcraft just added, "No Reapers, no Infestors, No Colossus" to it's rules, it's arbitrary and fucks up the game. | ||
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Hondelul
1999 Posts
The only one I kind of agree to nerf is Dr.B., but even there you hear less and less complaints. Hunters Mark to strong? And Fel Reaver? I must watch the wrong tournaments. To be honest your list comes quite out of the blue and seems more like a "I just lost to X on ladder, it should be nerfed". Completely ban BGH, fun time for handlock again. This doesn't seem to thought out that well. | ||
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Chimpalimp
United States1135 Posts
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hokeypocus
United States15 Posts
For instance, remove cards like: arcane missiles, unstable portal, piloted shredder, piloted sky golem, crackle, mad bomber, sneed's old shredder, recombobulator, rangnaros and the like... At least with this method, it might require more skill to win a tournament, while addressing a persistent complaint about the overall design of Hearthstone - too much 'luck'...such a tournament might even be interesting and the change would certainly be less vindictive...whatever. | ||
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hokeypocus
United States15 Posts
as we would probably have to ban that entire class or somehow regularize their summon totem ability... Shaman hero power now costs 3 mana but you get to choose your totem??? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On February 26 2015 02:35 Hondelul wrote: If Unstable Portal would be so OP, it would be actually played more... The only one I kind of agree to nerf is Dr.B., but even there you hear less and less complaints. Hunters Mark to strong? And Fel Reaver? I must watch the wrong tournaments. To be honest your list comes quite out of the blue and seems more like a "I just lost to X on ladder, it should be nerfed". Completely ban BGH, fun time for handlock again. This doesn't seem to thought out that well. Thats why i limited Fel Reaver and Mountain giant and why Dr Boom and Rag are banned. Unstable portal is mainly so you can't bypass the ban list. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On February 26 2015 04:09 Zaros wrote: Thats why i limited Fel Reaver and Mountain giant and why Dr Boom and Rag are banned. Unstable portal is mainly so you can't bypass the ban list. Ban BGH, but then limit +7 attack minions to 1 per deck because BGH is now banned? Seems counter-intuitive. Also why only limit Mountain Giant and Fel Reaver? If you had to ban any of the giants Molten seem the most broken in my opinion, and does anyone play Fel Reaver ever? It's like banning Nozdormu | ||
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Zampano
United Kingdom0 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 01 2015 10:16 Zampano wrote: So Rogues have no place in your New World Order? Ban Preparation because fuck you, Valeera, that's why. Its limited to 1 not banned. | ||
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Fi0na
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 01 2015 09:24 Greendotz wrote: Ban BGH, but then limit +7 attack minions to 1 per deck because BGH is now banned? Seems counter-intuitive. Also why only limit Mountain Giant and Fel Reaver? If you had to ban any of the giants Molten seem the most broken in my opinion, and does anyone play Fel Reaver ever? It's like banning Nozdormu I limited a couple of Giants and banned Dr Boom & Rag because they would be very very difficult to deal with in certain situations without BGH. I only limited Mountain and Fel because they come out on turn 4/5 and can't be played around by the opponent, you can play around Molten by not attacking face until you have suitable removal or board to deal with them or Burst damage. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On March 01 2015 10:19 Fi0na wrote: Actually a year ago Tournaments thought about banning at least Ragnaros, as the pure coinflip was deciding too many important games. But Blizzard stepped in and told them that they like the excitement of unpredictable winners and that they are in charge of balancing, not the tournaments, so no bans please. Might even be somewhere in the license agreement. Really? Pagle and Tinkmaster were definitely banned from some tournaments pre-nerf (fight night I think?) as they were literally in every single deck, Shaman could get away with not running Tink, but every other tournament deck had those two cards. I think Boom could be justified for a tournament ban, if only for the reason that it stifles creative/varied decks (every mid-range/control deck runs a Boom and BGH because of this card). Even so the fact that he's 7 mana means that at least the game get played out a little. A turn 1/turn 2 Pagle could literally decide a game, meaning the game was effectively over at the mulligan. Not fun to play, not fun to watch. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
Is the card in every deck? Is there rampant discussion about the card being OP? If you answered yes to all of those questions - Congratulations! You just found a card that should be banned from all tournaments until Blizzard finally decides to nerf it. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On February 26 2015 02:36 Chimpalimp wrote: Not to be rude, but I think a banlist is a TERRIBLE idea. A banlist evokes a negative perception on hearthstone. How bad does a game look when the designers aren't smart enough to know how to make their own game fair? A banlist would put hearthstone on a path towards failure, as it would build distrust in blizzard's decision making. If you are tired of seeing certain cards dominate the scene, then hearthstone can either build a modern set model like MTG, or just nerf those specific cards. Cards get banned or limited in everything except Standard in MTG now and that's only since Jan 2015 because the rotation is new enough with a mature design philosophy that's not ridiculously over powered. So no, I fully support ban lists until the developers get their shit together (took Wizards of the Coast how many years?), infact I support Blizzard putting out ban lists themselves instead of nerfing cards out right for non tournament play, this way the casuals don't whine about paying 1600 dust or opening however many packs and people who play tournaments don't have to deal with it. | ||
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