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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 19:02:16
August 29 2013 19:01 GMT
#1121
On August 30 2013 03:57 SarcasmMonster wrote:
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On August 30 2013 03:43 HolydaKing wrote:
Kungen played TB twice, they went 1-1. After I watched Trump losing to a Rogue deck.

Definitely feels like Rogue are the strongest from what I've seen in the last days. Warlock and Priest feel the weakest.

You mean in Arena right?

Yeah. I'm mostly watching Arena and not premade stuff on streams and those are my average feelings so far.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 29 2013 19:12 GMT
#1122
I would say balance in constructed is more important than balance in Arena though. If one class is too weak in Arena in your opinnion, well just pick another.
Off-season = best season
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 29 2013 19:16 GMT
#1123
Well, since you only get to pick from a random 3, the real issue is that rogue is too good so 1/3 of the time you get free wins and 2/3 of the time you are unfairly disadvantaged (sorta).

Yes you can just not pick priest.
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calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
August 29 2013 19:18 GMT
#1124
On August 30 2013 04:01 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 03:57 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On August 30 2013 03:43 HolydaKing wrote:
Kungen played TB twice, they went 1-1. After I watched Trump losing to a Rogue deck.

Definitely feels like Rogue are the strongest from what I've seen in the last days. Warlock and Priest feel the weakest.

You mean in Arena right?

Yeah. I'm mostly watching Arena and not premade stuff on streams and those are my average feelings so far.
That's interesting because I feel like 2 life for a card is the best ability because it helps you overrun early with card advantage.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 19:23:25
August 29 2013 19:21 GMT
#1125
On August 30 2013 04:18 calgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 04:01 HolydaKing wrote:
On August 30 2013 03:57 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On August 30 2013 03:43 HolydaKing wrote:
Kungen played TB twice, they went 1-1. After I watched Trump losing to a Rogue deck.

Definitely feels like Rogue are the strongest from what I've seen in the last days. Warlock and Priest feel the weakest.

You mean in Arena right?

Yeah. I'm mostly watching Arena and not premade stuff on streams and those are my average feelings so far.
That's interesting because I feel like 2 life for a card is the best ability because it helps you overrun early with card advantage.

Well, part of the issue is that early you don't want to be spending the mana for cards (tempo issue) and late you often lack the life to spend for cards.

In an ideal situation yes you can set it up where you get late without losing too much life and then just take over with irresistable card advantage. However, the cards the warlock gets don't necessarily enable that theme so well.

In constructed where you can really create your deck however you want, I expect warlock is much more powerful.

PS I think that realistically an aggro warlock deck might be the strongest option with a low curve that keeps the opponent on the back foot and prevents him from attacking your life-total, which you can use as a resource better than any other deck.

However, warlock doesn't really get cards that push that agenda so well.

EDIT: Erm sorry for double post I'm used to mafia >_>
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 19:23:30
August 29 2013 19:22 GMT
#1126
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 29 2013 19:27 GMT
#1127
Which class do you think is the best for a rushdown composition?
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
August 29 2013 19:28 GMT
#1128
Trump just lost to a Priest.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
August 29 2013 19:29 GMT
#1129
On August 30 2013 04:28 XaCez wrote:
Trump just lost to a Priest.

Lol, it happens. :D Trump totally lost that I must admit. Doesn't make Priest good though.
pokerface
Profile Joined April 2007
507 Posts
August 29 2013 19:34 GMT
#1130
On August 30 2013 04:29 HolydaKing wrote:
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On August 30 2013 04:28 XaCez wrote:
Trump just lost to a Priest.

Lol, it happens. :D Trump totally lost that I must admit. Doesn't make Priest good though.


Ye well,that priest had the most amazing luck ive seen in this game so far.No fanboyism or anything,just think for a sec:
mad bomber hitting the berserker,insane luck with mindgames plus he top decked him like 4 times.
He did well,props but it was just a huge rng luck imho
DoubleB
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 19:47:42
August 29 2013 19:45 GMT
#1131
I am watching Trump right now - he plays Arena. So could someone explain to me the difference between "Play" and "Arena"?
I know in Arena you cannot really choose your Deck but what does it mean overall?
Hondelul
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1999 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 19:57:49
August 29 2013 19:56 GMT
#1132
On August 30 2013 04:45 DoubleB wrote:
I am watching Trump right now - he plays Arena. So could someone explain to me the difference between "Play" and "Arena"?
I know in Arena you cannot really choose your Deck but what does it mean overall?

You buy into arena (150 gold/$2), either play until 9 wins or 3 losses.
You get the normal 30 cards but for each card you have 3 different cards to choose and don´t know if you pass on one that it comes again. It's tricky as you don´t know before if you get lots of minions or spells, so to choose one specific way at the beginning might be wrong, like you take spellpower minions but don`t get spells.
You can also go above the normal 2 card limit from the same card, but for that again you need the luck to get that specific card more than 2 times when you choose.

After your run is finished you get bounty, always at least one card pack (100 gold) and gold and/or arcane dust depending on how well you played.

"Play" is a ladder, you get into ranks like grandmaster, diamond etc but can choose your own deck from all cards you have.

Edit: right know Trump makes new deck for arena, best just to watch a bit. He is really good.
DoubleB
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 20:17:33
August 29 2013 20:17 GMT
#1133
On August 30 2013 04:56 Hondelul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 04:45 DoubleB wrote:
I am watching Trump right now - he plays Arena. So could someone explain to me the difference between "Play" and "Arena"?
I know in Arena you cannot really choose your Deck but what does it mean overall?

You buy into arena (150 gold/$2), either play until 9 wins or 3 losses.
You get the normal 30 cards but for each card you have 3 different cards to choose and don´t know if you pass on one that it comes again. It's tricky as you don´t know before if you get lots of minions or spells, so to choose one specific way at the beginning might be wrong, like you take spellpower minions but don`t get spells.
You can also go above the normal 2 card limit from the same card, but for that again you need the luck to get that specific card more than 2 times when you choose.

After your run is finished you get bounty, always at least one card pack (100 gold) and gold and/or arcane dust depending on how well you played.

"Play" is a ladder, you get into ranks like grandmaster, diamond etc but can choose your own deck from all cards you have.

Edit: right know Trump makes new deck for arena, best just to watch a bit. He is really good.

That sounds amazing I will play only Arena :D. Thanks for the easy explanation. Really good write up
Jermstuddog
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2231 Posts
August 29 2013 21:34 GMT
#1134
On August 30 2013 04:27 Dubzex wrote:
Which class do you think is the best for a rushdown composition?


Rogue has some of the best burn damage in the game, that's why it is one of the stronger classes in the arena.

Big rogue decks currently have the option of relying on spell power boosting minions and direct damage abilities, or combo decks that buff minions up per card played and blowing their whole hand to end up with a 15 damage creature by turn 5.

Mages have a significant selection of board clearing and direct damage dealing spells at their disposal as well, though not quite as wide as the rogue IMO.

These are the big burn classes.

If you want a different flavor:

Warrior is a little different in the sense that they need to have minions to do their damage, but with Arcanite Reaper and Gorehowl, it is fairly easy to control the board, so if you want a slower style that can still blow up their opponent with the right combination of skills, consider the warrior.

Warlocks have access to a deep list of board controlling abilities and enough heavy nukes to end the game when finally ready.


***I'm assuming you meant burn (direct damage) and not aggro (lots of low-cost abilities/creatures that win or lose the game by turn 5-6). For the later, you probably want to look at the Shaman, Warlock, Paladin, or Hunter.
As it turns out, marines don't actually cost any money -Jinro
Jermstuddog
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2231 Posts
August 29 2013 21:38 GMT
#1135
On August 30 2013 05:17 DoubleB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 04:56 Hondelul wrote:
On August 30 2013 04:45 DoubleB wrote:
I am watching Trump right now - he plays Arena. So could someone explain to me the difference between "Play" and "Arena"?
I know in Arena you cannot really choose your Deck but what does it mean overall?

You buy into arena (150 gold/$2), either play until 9 wins or 3 losses.
You get the normal 30 cards but for each card you have 3 different cards to choose and don´t know if you pass on one that it comes again. It's tricky as you don´t know before if you get lots of minions or spells, so to choose one specific way at the beginning might be wrong, like you take spellpower minions but don`t get spells.
You can also go above the normal 2 card limit from the same card, but for that again you need the luck to get that specific card more than 2 times when you choose.

After your run is finished you get bounty, always at least one card pack (100 gold) and gold and/or arcane dust depending on how well you played.

"Play" is a ladder, you get into ranks like grandmaster, diamond etc but can choose your own deck from all cards you have.

Edit: right know Trump makes new deck for arena, best just to watch a bit. He is really good.

That sounds amazing I will play only Arena :D. Thanks for the easy explanation. Really good write up


Both modes look like a lot of fun.

While there will likely be an Arena rush early on (gotta get dem cards~) constructed play is where the end-game competitive play will be. Strategy can only go so deep with a random deck.
As it turns out, marines don't actually cost any money -Jinro
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-29 21:44:33
August 29 2013 21:43 GMT
#1136
On August 30 2013 06:38 Jermstuddog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:17 DoubleB wrote:
On August 30 2013 04:56 Hondelul wrote:
On August 30 2013 04:45 DoubleB wrote:
I am watching Trump right now - he plays Arena. So could someone explain to me the difference between "Play" and "Arena"?
I know in Arena you cannot really choose your Deck but what does it mean overall?

You buy into arena (150 gold/$2), either play until 9 wins or 3 losses.
You get the normal 30 cards but for each card you have 3 different cards to choose and don´t know if you pass on one that it comes again. It's tricky as you don´t know before if you get lots of minions or spells, so to choose one specific way at the beginning might be wrong, like you take spellpower minions but don`t get spells.
You can also go above the normal 2 card limit from the same card, but for that again you need the luck to get that specific card more than 2 times when you choose.

After your run is finished you get bounty, always at least one card pack (100 gold) and gold and/or arcane dust depending on how well you played.

"Play" is a ladder, you get into ranks like grandmaster, diamond etc but can choose your own deck from all cards you have.

Edit: right know Trump makes new deck for arena, best just to watch a bit. He is really good.

That sounds amazing I will play only Arena :D. Thanks for the easy explanation. Really good write up


Both modes look like a lot of fun.

While there will likely be an Arena rush early on (gotta get dem cards~) constructed play is where the end-game competitive play will be. Strategy can only go so deep with a random deck.


I wholeheartedly disagree. Constructed always falls into the problems of simply being a few dominant decks that are the clear favorite. Then it comes down to who gets the better draw in mirrors or it might just be rock, scissors, paper type of deck builds. Drafting in itself is a skill to have and the ability to play around probable deck builds w/o being sure is further evidence of skill. Obviously luck in drafting can be important, but from all of the Arena I've watched I seldom see a player just get fed epics and rares.

Now, later on if/when more sets are released and perhaps a sideboard option is added then I can see constructed being more competitive. As it stands, it's awful.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
August 29 2013 22:06 GMT
#1137
I wish you could pick up all daily quests though practice mode, else some shit is hard. Outside of that i wish you could drop a quest if you have 3 to make room and remove an undesirable one.
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
August 29 2013 22:15 GMT
#1138
On August 30 2013 04:27 Dubzex wrote:
Which class do you think is the best for a rushdown composition?

Well from the perspective of someone who has only watched the game (I'd say 7-10 hours) and not played it. Hunter seems to have many minions that can be played early and get out of hand very quickly (vulture, hyena) if they are not dealt with through board clear or trading. I'd say they have probably the best potential to snowball through minions. I'm not too clear on what you mean by rushdown though, so sorry if that was way off the mark.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
August 29 2013 22:22 GMT
#1139
On August 29 2013 21:40 theking1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2013 19:18 grs wrote:
On August 29 2013 18:57 theking1 wrote:
Is hearthstone the new league of legends cause i see a lot of lol players,former players and streamers playing it.chaox,hafu,locodoco,vman7...iwilldominate

Nothing to do with LoL; just popular streamers streaming the game.


I do not get it.Does blizzard pay them to stream hearthstone or do they just give them free betakeys to promote it.Because now i see saintvicious playing hearthstone and I know for sure he doesn't have any blizzard game installed

The first large clump of streamers you saw playing got keys from Blizzard. The LoL players you are noticing play now, were gifted keys from viewers.
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
August 29 2013 22:29 GMT
#1140
On August 30 2013 06:38 Jermstuddog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 05:17 DoubleB wrote:
On August 30 2013 04:56 Hondelul wrote:
On August 30 2013 04:45 DoubleB wrote:
I am watching Trump right now - he plays Arena. So could someone explain to me the difference between "Play" and "Arena"?
I know in Arena you cannot really choose your Deck but what does it mean overall?

You buy into arena (150 gold/$2), either play until 9 wins or 3 losses.
You get the normal 30 cards but for each card you have 3 different cards to choose and don´t know if you pass on one that it comes again. It's tricky as you don´t know before if you get lots of minions or spells, so to choose one specific way at the beginning might be wrong, like you take spellpower minions but don`t get spells.
You can also go above the normal 2 card limit from the same card, but for that again you need the luck to get that specific card more than 2 times when you choose.

After your run is finished you get bounty, always at least one card pack (100 gold) and gold and/or arcane dust depending on how well you played.

"Play" is a ladder, you get into ranks like grandmaster, diamond etc but can choose your own deck from all cards you have.

Edit: right know Trump makes new deck for arena, best just to watch a bit. He is really good.

That sounds amazing I will play only Arena :D. Thanks for the easy explanation. Really good write up


Both modes look like a lot of fun.

While there will likely be an Arena rush early on (gotta get dem cards~) constructed play is where the end-game competitive play will be. Strategy can only go so deep with a random deck.


But it's not a random deck. You have to build it based on the cards you are given and there is a huge amount of skill in card selection. Taking Magic as an example. Top level competition exists as a combination of limited(Arena) and constructed(usually "modern" and "standard"). Many tournaments have both formats within the same swiss bracket.
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