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NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 00:09:09
August 08 2009 04:08 GMT
#1
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Introduction:

PhotoSwap is the brain-child of forum member and photographer PH (with support from myself in making the OP/running the challenges.) The basic idea is to inspire and motivate the photographers of Teamliquid.net. Experience, equipment and style are of no consequence. Everyone from casual photographers to those who are into studying subjects such as strobist technique can join in. The more, the merrier.

To keep things organized PH and myself have devised a system focusing upon bi-weekly challenges and the idea of a lottery to determine which forum member chooses the topic these challenges with be based around.

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1) Keep it civil ~ Constructive criticism is welcomed, but please try to give either technical advice (camera settings/post-production editing using photoshop etc.) or reasons for your thoughts upon each photo. Trolls and flamers will be reported to the moderating staff. Comments by those not taking part in the challenges are welcomed, but we ask you to refrain from posting one-liners to keep the topic relatively spam free.

2) Keep active ~ In order to increase feed back and make sure this project stay active we ask those who submit photos to do the following:

- Submit one photo (limited to one per person.) for each challenge posted if possible. Please PM all submissions to NeverGG with the title: 'PhotoSwap Submission: Summer ((or whatever the current topic title is.))'

- Comment on the two photos submitted prior to your own. (If you are the first to submit please comment on both photos submitted after yours.)

- Submit topics for the bi-weekly lottery via PM to NeverGG (no comments please only PMs because it's easier to keep track of.) Please title PMs: 'Topic Idea.' Topics can range from the following:

- An image (drawn, photographed, digital or any other image-based media type.)
- A single word or sentence.
- A piece of music or sound effect.
- A film clip.

3) When addressing feed back or other ideas to specific forum members please use the following style:

Example:

@PH: I love the use of lighting, but have you considered......
@NeverGG: Stop photographing bowl cuts!

Notes:

~ Photo submission deadlines will be posted beneath the 'Topic' banner along with the week's current topic and a list of former topics. Topics will be determined by NeverGG picking them out of a hat/handbag. Topics will be decided a week before the current topic ends to give people time to find inspiration and locations/objects etc.

~ All photos will be archived by NeverGG and posted under spoilers in the 'Archive' section.

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Here you can find all the current and former topics for these challenges.

8th August ~ 22nd August: Summer (submitted by PH.)

Submit your ideas for the next topic by: 15th August.


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Here is a list of the archived topics and all the photos submitted thus far to PhotoSwap.

Topic One: Summer (August 8th~22nd 2009.)

Contributing members:

NeverGG
PH
ZoW
v1rtu0so
Julmust
Boundz(DarKo)
HeyitsClay
Rayzorblade
MuShu

~ Coming Soon ~

Conclusion:

Thank you to everyone who chooses to join in with these challenges. Our goal is to promote creativity and inspire the photographers or aspiring photographers on TL.net to produce more work in the future and find the same enjoyment through photography that PH and myself do.

All photos submitted remain the sole property of those who created them. We take no credit for their work. If you wish to use photographers submissions to make graphics etc then please contact them personally.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
August 08 2009 04:11 GMT
#2
I really hope this gets rolling and makes me get up and actually go shooting.

Sign up, everyone! (:
Hello
iNCuBuS_
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States905 Posts
August 08 2009 04:16 GMT
#3
If we dont know anything about photography can we still submit photos? It would make me use my camera more often. My only concern is its just a basic digital camera so the pictures wouldnt be as good as a professional camera, and I cant give good advice on lighting and all that stuff as in the example.

The first topic is summer - so we can take a picture of anything that we think would be classified under that one word in some way?
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 08 2009 04:20 GMT
#4
On August 08 2009 13:16 iNCuBuS_ wrote:
If we dont know anything about photography can we still submit photos? It would make me use my camera more often. My only concern is its just a basic digital camera so the pictures wouldnt be as good as a professional camera, and I cant give good advice on lighting and all that stuff as in the example.

The first topic is summer - so we can take a picture of anything that we think would be classified under that one word in some way?


Absolutely - anyone can submit photos regardless of experience, what type of camera they're using etc. Advice can be as simple as 'Why don't you change the angle up a bit.' or 'I'd like to see more photos from you using people/wide angles etc.' Don't worry at all about your level of experience

Yes, that's the idea - anything that evokes the feeling of 'Summer' to you is perfectly fine. I'm adding my submission now, but we want variety and a big range of different interpretations for each topic because it's so much more fun that way.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
August 08 2009 04:24 GMT
#5
Yes you absolutely can, and we encourage you. The point of this is not only to get inactive enthusiasts like me some motivation to get active again (and give active enthusiasts something more and fun to do), but it's also to get people with interest in photography the kick they need to really get into it.

non-"pro" cameras (and I use that term stupidly) aren't required to take good or even great photos, so feel free to use whatever you have on hand. It's being able to use whatever equipment you have to their fullest potential that matters. That means knowing its limits and your own capabilities. So basically, just do your best!

And as for the topic, yes, anything that you can spin off of the word "summer" fits. It can be anything from a conceptual connection to something it connotes.
Hello
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 09 2009 03:42 GMT
#6
3 submissions so far - come on guys. This won't work if no one even comments -_-;
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-09 07:51:42
August 09 2009 07:37 GMT
#7
So do we post the pic here and PM it so that people can comment it on this thread? Like, if we PM the pics, how are we supposed to comment them? Sorry, I'm kind of confused, although this sounds like it could be fun since I always take pics with my camera phone.


edit - aw crap, i just thought of a good idea, but i already picked most of the peaches off the tree :^(
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 09 2009 07:40 GMT
#8
On August 09 2009 16:37 MuShu wrote:
So do we post the pic here and PM it so that people can comment it on this thread? Like, if we PM the pics, how are we supposed to comment them? Sorry, I'm kind of confused, although this sounds like it could be fun since I always take pics with my camera phone.


No - it's outlined in the rules section; You PM me the photo based upon the bi-weekly topic (under the topic banner.) and at the end of the photo submissions date I will post all of them in this op so you can receive feed back and we can all see the images.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-09 08:39:31
August 09 2009 08:35 GMT
#9
This is perfect, I'm no photographer but I was out taking pics of some of my mates playing football(soccer) yesterday and got some pics with a real summer feeling to them. I'll post them once I get home from work.
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
August 09 2009 10:31 GMT
#10
Remember, like the OP says, PM them to NeverGG.

She will post them all in the OP so they can be seen all at once. From there, you pick the two preceding you and you MUST give feedback/critique them. (:
Hello
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-09 10:51:43
August 09 2009 10:51 GMT
#11
I would appreciate if someone made a "sig" for me or something, PM me anyone if interested, please someone really good would be appreciated.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19347 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-09 11:55:32
August 09 2009 11:51 GMT
#12
how bout modelling in pictures?
can you help in how to pose in pictures? i happen to love posing in pictures but sometimes i run of ideas and sometimes i dont know what to do

EDIT: do you shop photos too?
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
August 09 2009 12:17 GMT
#13

EDIT: do you shop photos too?

Finializing and editing photos in photoshop is almost a must in the digi-photo industry that is today. I would say OFC.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
August 09 2009 12:20 GMT
#14
Idea for event: Fears.

The goal here is to capture a fear you have on a picture. Example: Fear of heights, darkness, claustrophobia etc.

It could basically be anything that you find scary. The picture itself doesnt have to be scary to others, instead it could look really interesting and beatuiful.
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
August 09 2009 14:24 GMT
#15
Bi-weekly is every two weeks, right?

cause semi-weekly is every half-week
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pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
August 09 2009 14:52 GMT
#16
On August 09 2009 23:24 Nal_rAwr wrote:
Bi-weekly is every two weeks, right?

cause semi-weekly is every half-week


Bi-weekly is twice a week. Fortnightly would probably be once every two weeks.
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 09 2009 14:56 GMT
#17
On August 09 2009 23:52 pachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 23:24 Nal_rAwr wrote:
Bi-weekly is every two weeks, right?

cause semi-weekly is every half-week


Bi-weekly is twice a week. Fortnightly would probably be once every two weeks.


We're doing it every 2 weeks, but I'm calling it bi-weekly because it sounds cuter than fortnightly. (Plus we're lazy.) I'll answer all the other questions tomorrow. (I guess in a sense it is kind of bi-weekly since we have challenge submissions in week 2, but whatever. Go english fail!)
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
August 09 2009 14:58 GMT
#18
On August 09 2009 23:52 pachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 23:24 Nal_rAwr wrote:
Bi-weekly is every two weeks, right?

cause semi-weekly is every half-week


Bi-weekly is twice a week. Fortnightly would probably be once every two weeks.


Biweekly actually means every two weeks.
~
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-09 15:03:29
August 09 2009 15:02 GMT
#19
Biweekly, anually etc can actually mean either twice a week/year or every 2 weeks/year, since "bi" is just a combining form of both two and twice. It's an ambiguous term that shouldn't really be used even though semi-anually always means twice a year, bi-anually doesn't always mean once every two years
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 09 2009 15:03 GMT
#20
On August 09 2009 23:58 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 23:52 pachi wrote:
On August 09 2009 23:24 Nal_rAwr wrote:
Bi-weekly is every two weeks, right?

cause semi-weekly is every half-week


Bi-weekly is twice a week. Fortnightly would probably be once every two weeks.


Biweekly actually means every two weeks.


Oh sweet - I was right. I thought so, but I can't contradict Boss Pachi.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
xhuwin
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States476 Posts
August 09 2009 15:31 GMT
#21
This sounds like a great idea. Question: should we submit any description regarding our photo? Like our own comments, worries, questions, or explanations?
xyn
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
August 09 2009 15:53 GMT
#22
On August 10 2009 00:31 xhuwin wrote:
This sounds like a great idea. Question: should we submit any description regarding our photo? Like our own comments, worries, questions, or explanations?

I can't see why a brief description of the photo would harm. I think it's good because if the photo looks nothing like the current event, the description could help with the process of 1+1=2.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
August 09 2009 16:07 GMT
#23
With the one photo per person limit, I'm going to need to think about this for a bit. I'm excited though!
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stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
August 09 2009 16:15 GMT
#24
I used to be hugely into photography but I haven't really done any for a few years now. This and my new digital animation unit this semester just might get me back into it!
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
August 09 2009 20:42 GMT
#25
NeverGG, maybe make a list of members in OP now? It seems like this is kinda starting to roll along now, lol.

On August 09 2009 20:51 icystorage wrote:
how bout modelling in pictures?
can you help in how to pose in pictures? i happen to love posing in pictures but sometimes i run of ideas and sometimes i dont know what to do

EDIT: do you shop photos too?

I've done portrait work before...not a whole lot, but I've dabbled. If you have any questions, I'll try to help.

When I was trying to learn, the best thing way to learn for me was to look at fashion magazines and study other photographers. Just keep an eye out for the technical details: the way they fill the space/compositional balance, the lighting styles (for what you want to go for), and obviously, the way they angle/position the body and the different parts of it (also depends on the feel you're going for). That helped a lot.

And as for photoshop, every photographer, digital or not, post-processes their photos. With film, the post-work gets done in a darkroom. With digital, it gets done in a program like photoshop. How much people do in photoshop depends on their preferences, objectives and whatnot.

On August 09 2009 21:20 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Idea for event: Fears.

The goal here is to capture a fear you have on a picture. Example: Fear of heights, darkness, claustrophobia etc.

It could basically be anything that you find scary. The picture itself doesnt have to be scary to others, instead it could look really interesting and beatuiful.

That sounds like a great idea, actually...lol. I hope you participate in this "summer" one as well!

On August 10 2009 00:31 xhuwin wrote:
This sounds like a great idea. Question: should we submit any description regarding our photo? Like our own comments, worries, questions, or explanations?

That should be completely fine. It's up to NeverGG, though, as she's the one who'll be doing all the work with this.. :X

On August 10 2009 01:07 tree.hugger wrote:
With the one photo per person limit, I'm going to need to think about this for a bit. I'm excited though!

We thought having more than one would make it too cluttered...but it seems like not very many people are participating. :\

Choose your best one! (:

On August 10 2009 01:15 stafu wrote:
I used to be hugely into photography but I haven't really done any for a few years now. This and my new digital animation unit this semester just might get me back into it!

That was the purpose of this. I'm glad it'll get your rolling again. (:
Hello
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 10 2009 00:45 GMT
#26
On August 10 2009 05:42 PH wrote:
NeverGG, maybe make a list of members in OP now? It seems like this is kinda starting to roll along now, lol.

Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 20:51 icystorage wrote:
how bout modelling in pictures?
can you help in how to pose in pictures? i happen to love posing in pictures but sometimes i run of ideas and sometimes i dont know what to do

EDIT: do you shop photos too?

I've done portrait work before...not a whole lot, but I've dabbled. If you have any questions, I'll try to help.

When I was trying to learn, the best thing way to learn for me was to look at fashion magazines and study other photographers. Just keep an eye out for the technical details: the way they fill the space/compositional balance, the lighting styles (for what you want to go for), and obviously, the way they angle/position the body and the different parts of it (also depends on the feel you're going for). That helped a lot.

And as for photoshop, every photographer, digital or not, post-processes their photos. With film, the post-work gets done in a darkroom. With digital, it gets done in a program like photoshop. How much people do in photoshop depends on their preferences, objectives and whatnot.

Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 21:20 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Idea for event: Fears.

The goal here is to capture a fear you have on a picture. Example: Fear of heights, darkness, claustrophobia etc.

It could basically be anything that you find scary. The picture itself doesnt have to be scary to others, instead it could look really interesting and beatuiful.

That sounds like a great idea, actually...lol. I hope you participate in this "summer" one as well!

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2009 00:31 xhuwin wrote:
This sounds like a great idea. Question: should we submit any description regarding our photo? Like our own comments, worries, questions, or explanations?

That should be completely fine. It's up to NeverGG, though, as she's the one who'll be doing all the work with this.. :X

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2009 01:07 tree.hugger wrote:
With the one photo per person limit, I'm going to need to think about this for a bit. I'm excited though!

We thought having more than one would make it too cluttered...but it seems like not very many people are participating. :\

Choose your best one! (:

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2009 01:15 stafu wrote:
I used to be hugely into photography but I haven't really done any for a few years now. This and my new digital animation unit this semester just might get me back into it!

That was the purpose of this. I'm glad it'll get your rolling again. (:


1. Yes - I'll add the list later on today Thanks to everyone who has submitted and commented so far.

2. I need to learn this myself - I think it might be really useful to have a gallery of 'poses' aka. photos we've seen that have different and inspiring poses used. I'll work on this over the weekend.

3. Yes, I shop all my work. Some photos require less photoshopping (I use PS7.) and others require way more. I'm hoping to cut down on this processing time once I have my new set up. We can definitely offer hints and tips for this - although I am not the most experienced at using these programs.

4. I love that suggestion - please PM it to me as per the rules.

5. Yes, that's an excellent idea. I will add it to the OP rules and feel free to do so. We can include the descriptions as a note beneath each submission when they're posted in the OP.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
Roxen000
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
1226 Posts
August 10 2009 03:39 GMT
#27
This is a really awesome idea! I've always wanted to get a bit more into photography and this is really good motivation for myself and others.

Too bad it's winter here at the moment D; It'll be hard to get a shot that represents Summer. I'm looking forward to seeing some entries :D
._.
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 10 2009 03:42 GMT
#28
On August 10 2009 12:39 Roxen000 wrote:
This is a really awesome idea! I've always wanted to get a bit more into photography and this is really good motivation for myself and others.

Too bad it's winter here at the moment D; It'll be hard to get a shot that represents Summer. I'm looking forward to seeing some entries :D


Thanks - well it doesn't have to be Summer in terms of weather. Possibly you could do something that evokes a feeling of 'wanting it to be Summer again.' Or put a Summery item (like a beach ball or something equally as symbolic of Summer.) in a Wintery context - I'd love to see that type of contradiction in a photo.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
August 10 2009 17:43 GMT
#29
come an man, you're from australia. what you consider "winter" we consider warm summer up here in europe
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
iceburn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States303 Posts
August 10 2009 17:57 GMT
#30
I'm amped for this. Lets go challenges.
Rayzorblade
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1172 Posts
August 10 2009 20:46 GMT
#31
Just got back from a beautiful weekend in San Diego and I think I have a few photos that would be great for this week's topic. I love the idea as well! Will PM you soon NeverGG!
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 12 2009 04:00 GMT
#32
Sorry for the lack of updates - RL got in the way. I'll update the op tonight with a list of members and other stuff. Thanks for the new submissions and please keep them coming.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 14 2009 00:09 GMT
#33
Updated with members list for week one.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
HeyitsClay
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada336 Posts
August 14 2009 04:17 GMT
#34
cant wait to see the photos
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 05:15:10
August 14 2009 05:14 GMT
#35
On August 09 2009 23:58 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 23:52 pachi wrote:
On August 09 2009 23:24 Nal_rAwr wrote:
Bi-weekly is every two weeks, right?

cause semi-weekly is every half-week


Bi-weekly is twice a week. Fortnightly would probably be once every two weeks.


Biweekly actually means every two weeks.

It can mean both.
Jaedong
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 14 2009 05:39 GMT
#36
PH and Virtuoso both got banned (one temp and the other perma.) but I have PH's submission for this week.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
August 14 2009 05:46 GMT
#37
On August 09 2009 23:58 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2009 23:52 pachi wrote:
On August 09 2009 23:24 Nal_rAwr wrote:
Bi-weekly is every two weeks, right?

cause semi-weekly is every half-week


Bi-weekly is twice a week. Fortnightly would probably be once every two weeks.


Biweekly actually means every two weeks.


It's for the inbreds who get confused by 'fortnight'.
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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
August 15 2009 22:10 GMT
#38
so what's the next topic's gonna be?
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
MuShu
Profile Joined March 2005
United States3223 Posts
August 19 2009 22:36 GMT
#39
bump since deadline for first week is soon. Hope a lot of people participate!
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
August 22 2009 11:26 GMT
#40
Well LAWL.
HeyitsClay
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada336 Posts
August 23 2009 04:58 GMT
#41
cant wait to see the photos X_X
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 23 2009 05:08 GMT
#42
Sorry I'm a tad behind due to OSL finals, but all will be sorted out tomorrow
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
August 27 2009 07:54 GMT
#43
I'm finally unbanned...bump. (:
Hello
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
August 27 2009 08:51 GMT
#44
Welcome back! I'm so behind, but I will post all the stuff on Saturday morning
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
xhuwin
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States476 Posts
August 28 2009 02:58 GMT
#45
Was kind of busy for the first one, but I'm back and am eagerly awaiting the second topic. Also want to see the photos for the first, too.
xyn
HeyitsClay
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada336 Posts
September 01 2009 19:24 GMT
#46
epic fail T_T
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
September 01 2009 19:44 GMT
#47
Isn't it about time for a next topic? ~_~
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
September 01 2009 22:12 GMT
#48
Thread failing if op dusnt do anythen. Sore ggbay
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
September 01 2009 23:02 GMT
#49
To give some credit to nevergg here, some patience is required, she has been extremely busy, and she hasn't yet pulled a semi old guy on you guys.

That being said, I'm going to participate in the next round(?) assuming I know how the format works.
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
September 01 2009 23:07 GMT
#50
Sorry guys - I literally *just* started a new semester at work and aside from all the books being different (which means studying outside of work.) I've also been asked to do fomos stuff. I will *try* to have this done within the next two days - but obviously my two jobs have to come first.
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