EPTJibba: I agree. Rafsanjani may be using this opportunity to gain more power (although he's pretty much already the leader of Iran), but that doesn't negate the fact that Iran is undergoing a revolution that threatens the current power structure. Just look at the article above. Might just be rumors (although it is Al Arabiya so I doubt it), but it's an indication of social upheaval.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Jibba: I agree. Rafsanjani may be using this opportunity to gain more power (although he's pretty much already the leader of Iran), but that doesn't negate the fact that Iran is undergoing a revolution that threatens the current power structure. Just look at the article above. Might just be rumors (although it is Al Arabiya so I doubt it), but it's an indication of social upheaval. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
#iranElection Hasan Mir Kazemi, head of Basij, has over 175 billion Toman ($170M) of overdue load (as of 6 months ago) http://bit.ly/1Rnb1Z I'm guessing meaning loans. | ||
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Fr33t
United States1128 Posts
That stream is showing a lot of the vids that have come out over the past couple days. | ||
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Fr33t
United States1128 Posts
![[image loading]](http://warincontext.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/neda.jpg) aliceinthecity RT #neda has been buried covertly, Iran not allowing funerals #iranelection #tehran #iran #iranians #mousavi Also, since there was some confusion about this, she was not 16 years old. She was a 27 year old philosophy student. RIP | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
I still don't understand much of the iranian leading system.... | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
A note from Tehran: police/basij pulling cars over to inspect at checkpoints... they will seize any cameras along with the owner's ID card dispatch from iran: no protests [today] ... streets dead ... no one dares mess with sepah [IRGC] http://tehranbureau.com/ira... Nate Silver on the recent concession of oddities made by the Guardian Council http://bit.ly/NvDRT #iranelection | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Hieros
United States83 Posts
On June 22 2009 18:25 Pika Chu wrote: So if i get some things out of this situation right, Ahmadinejad's power is actually very little? Not a dictator by any means... And second, this protests aren't actually against Ahmadinejad's win but against the so called supreme leader. I still don't understand much of the iranian leading system.... Not exactly. Understanding Iranian politics, while not exactly Kremlinology, is a difficult business. It is a hybrid of a democracy and theocracy, although one might argue that recent events call this comparison into question; the full name of the country is the Islamic Republic of Iran. In practice what this entails is that people actually do vote for leaders and their votes do matter, to some extent, pending the approval of the ruling clerical apparatus, the most important member being the Ayatollah, Khamenei. For the past several years, Khamenei has been content to stay out of the fore of politics and let Ahmadinejad at least appear to control policy. Khamenei has largely, if my recollection serves me right, supported all of his major policy initiatives, with Iran's nuclear policy being the most conspicuous case. Ahmadinejad has thus far enjoyed, and appears to still enjoy, Khamenei's favor. But the president before Ahmadinejad was Khatami, who despite being more reformist than the clerical elite, still was elected without a hitch. Thus to some extent, although not entirely clear how much, elections in Iran permitted candidates that dissented from the clerics a little bit. If Khatami had been more efficacious as a politician, though, the story might be different. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
RT From Iran: CONFIRM - National Strike announced by Mousavi for TUESDAY #Iranelection RT RT RT RT Mostafa Ghajar JournalistArrested few Mins Ago , while his 4 month baby terorized with a couple of Secret Agents #iranelection Representatives of Mousavi and Karoubi announced their readiness for debate regarding the election #iranelection | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
elections in Iran permitted candidates that dissented from the clerics a little bit. From what I understand the clerics have to approve of the candidates before they can run. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
This have been on youtube's top page for a couple of hours. Have you guys seen it before? There are lots of videos from all days there. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On June 23 2009 07:08 TeCh)PsylO wrote: From what I understand the clerics have to approve of the candidates before they can run. That's true, but they don't just disapprove people because they don't like them... otherwise Khatami would have never been President. Right now the people are fighting against Khamenei, and not Ahmadinejad as much. | ||
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
On June 23 2009 08:46 Xeris wrote: That's true, but they don't just disapprove people because they don't like them... otherwise Khatami would have never been President. Right now the people are fighting against Khamenei, and not Ahmadinejad as much. What kind of qualifications are they looking to exclude? I have only read in a few articles that said they pick candidates based on ideological grounds. | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
On June 23 2009 08:12 VIB wrote: http://www.youtube.com/citizentube This have been on youtube's top page for a couple of hours. Have you guys seen it before? There are lots of videos from all days there. *ugh* I just saw the video in whioch they killed the girl  this is so sad.RIP | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Still no news on the Armed Forces of Iran, or any of the, apparent, IRG officials who are supporting the opposition. It seems that the more powerful backers of the protesters have yet to do anything, and if they have, it has yet to show. | ||
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Try
United States1293 Posts
 , but I don't think the protesters have the capability to do anything of the sort. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11562 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
I find it ironic that the conservatives of the country, the U.S., are decrying that he isn't supporting freedom etc. When the conservatives as early as 6 months ago were saying Iran hated our freedom, and should be bombed. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11562 Posts
On June 23 2009 10:23 peidongyang wrote: East and West Iran? only if the ussr comes out to play. | ||
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