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On June 10 2009 03:33 Empyrean wrote:Ok, so I've been browsing around the ELAC website...even though this kid is technically a college graduate, if he really wants to have a successful career in astrophysics, I certainly hope he considers a degree at another university. Browsing through their math department shows that ODE's are the fourth highest level of math you can take. Some high schoolers are taking classes in ODE's :/...Independent study in any subject is cirtually guaranteed to be more useful at, say, a California state school. Let's compare some course descriptions: Math 105 at East Los Angeles College: Source: http://www.elac.edu/academic/doc/CourseDescriptions/Mathematics - CourseDescriptions.pdfShow nested quote +This course is designed to give students understanding and competency in the basic operations of elementary arithmetic. Topics include the standard operations with applications on whole numbers, fractions, decimals, ratio, proportion, and percent. Additional topics may be chosen from geometric figures and introduction to algebra. And Math 105 at, say, Duke: Source: http://www.aas.duke.edu/reg/synopsis/view.cgi?term=1270&s=01&action=display&subj=MATH&course=105Show nested quote +Mathematics 105 is a course in vector calculus that uses linear algebra. Topics to be covered include: iterated integrals and partial derivatives, optimization (constrained and unconstrained) in multiple dimensions, the Implicit Function Theorem, cylindrical and spherical coordinate systems, vector fields, divergence and curl, parameterized curves and surfaces, arc length and surface area, and Green's, Stokes's, and Gauss's Theorems.  Hahahaha. I freaking lol'd. I don't know what else the kid's taken (and I'm sure he's smart), but that course is a joke at the very least. My parents (Chinese) taught me that shit while I was still in elementary school.
He probably would've been better off going through highschool and going to a good university instead of speeding through some third-rate college (assuming it's third-rate by that math 105 description).
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On June 10 2009 03:33 Empyrean wrote:Let's compare some course descriptions: Math 105 at East Los Angeles College: Source: http://www.elac.edu/academic/doc/CourseDescriptions/Mathematics - CourseDescriptions.pdfShow nested quote +This course is designed to give students understanding and competency in the basic operations of elementary arithmetic. Topics include the standard operations with applications on whole numbers, fractions, decimals, ratio, proportion, and percent. Additional topics may be chosen from geometric figures and introduction to algebra.
Lol, sad considering there were several 6th graders in my Algebra 1 class this year (who easily passed.) Not to mention I go to an ordinary public school in Minnesota.
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On June 10 2009 04:01 MayorITC wrote:
AND IM SURE HER LIFE WAS MUCH HARDER THAN YOURS KLOCKAN3 BUT SHE DIDN'T RESIGN HERSELF TO BLAMING HER LIFE ON HER PARENTS.
Please, I did not say that the kid in the OP wasn't smart or that I am smarter than him, I did not say that I am nothing due to my parents sucking. I don't blame them at all, their lives were tough when I grew up, they had a lot of divorces here and there with several bad marriages. The deal is that I have to live with it, I just came with my input on the issue.
But of course a lot of sensitive guys like you will come and try to whack me as hard as you can just because you don't want anyone to try to stick out... You are no better than those who try to whack that 11 year old for being nothing but a robot programmed by his parents...
On June 10 2009 04:01 MayorITC wrote:
Anyway, I wouldn't take anything Klockan3 says seriously. He's your typical Internet forum "know-it-all" who views himself as the undisputed expert of all matters even when professional experts disagree. Klockan3 can craft whatever theories he wants, but he provides ZERO facts for his main argument. The only support/example is his own life, which is heavily skewed by his stupidly huge ego.
What do you base this on? I did just tell you that everything I said here was due to my experience, I didn't claim to have any facts, I just gave my opinion. There is nothing wrong with coming up with an opinion as long as you do not state it as a fact.
You however is right here doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. If someone tried to argue any points with me I would dig up facts if I wanted to enter the argument, but as it is now it is just a statement of my opinion. The background on myself is a fact though, but of course it is impossible to prove such facts about your personal life so you can't really demand that people giving personal backgrounds on themselves should post evidence of it on a forum...
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Wow I can't believe how many of you are picking on the poor kid because he insulted your grown-up-asses by saying video games are a waste of time. They are, you dorks. If you ask me, kids should spend more time outdoors and playing sports than video games.
I'm not saying video games should be banned, but saying that they're NOT a waste of time is kind-of silly, since 95% of the people here ARE just killing time when playing video games. But let's skip that part.
His opinion is not of value because he can't "grow pubes"? Well, IMO, graduating college @ 11 >>> growing pubes. How many of you here haven't graduated college yet but still feel entitled to an opinion? Come on.
The kid just spoke his mind, and everyone who disses him is just jealous of having nothing to show for themselves, because if you would, you'd realize that everyone does what he likes doing. He couldn't have done this if he didn't LIKE studying and giving his best, no matter how much parents push.
I'm sincerely disgusted by most of TL's replies for the first time in my life. Way to poke an 11 y.o.'s eyes out for saying something that's actually very TRUE. Jerks.
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Btw, I think the kid would learn a lot on this website:
Berkeley Riddles.
I haven't been there in a while, but I'm sure there are some members who have an IQ of 160-180. Pretty interesting if anyone wants to check it out.
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On June 10 2009 04:25 CubEdIn wrote:
His opinion is not of value because he can't "grow pubes"? Well, IMO, graduating college @ 11 >>> growing pubes. How many of you here haven't graduated college yet but still feel entitled to an opinion? Come on.
I haven't graduated from college and I know full well that my opinion isn't worth a damn. Most people's aren't. Clearly he went through college without learning this.
On June 10 2009 04:25 CubEdIn wrote:
The kid just spoke his mind, and everyone who disses him is just jealous of having nothing to show for themselves, because if you would, you'd realize that everyone does what he likes doing. He couldn't have done this if he didn't LIKE studying and giving his best, no matter how much parents push.
Wait, you SERIOUSLY think he spoke his own mind, and isn't just regurgitating what he's been taught? You must be seriously naive if you think its his own, self-formed opinion.
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On June 10 2009 04:30 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 04:25 CubEdIn wrote:
His opinion is not of value because he can't "grow pubes"? Well, IMO, graduating college @ 11 >>> growing pubes. How many of you here haven't graduated college yet but still feel entitled to an opinion? Come on. I haven't graduated from college and I know full well that my opinion isn't worth a damn. Most people's aren't. Clearly he went through college without learning this. Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 04:25 CubEdIn wrote:
The kid just spoke his mind, and everyone who disses him is just jealous of having nothing to show for themselves, because if you would, you'd realize that everyone does what he likes doing. He couldn't have done this if he didn't LIKE studying and giving his best, no matter how much parents push. Wait, you SERIOUSLY think he spoke his own mind, and isn't regurgitating what he's been taught? You must be seriously naive if you think its his own, self-formed opinion.
Hillarious. As if anyone has a 100% clear self-formed opinion when they're 11. And even if it's JUST regurgitating what he's been taught, how does that make it less true? Video games ARE wasting time. There are plenty of activities that you can do for fun that have beneficial effects on your mind AND body. Again, I'm not saying nobody should play video games, I'm just saying that now-a-days, kids are growing up doing JUST this, which is horrible in so many ways.
Also, I never said that his opinion mattered more than others', but saying that his DOES NOT matter because he is only 11 is idiotic. He clearly has the ability to reason, so his opinion should matter just as much as the next schmuck's.
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Holy shit, how do we have 13 pages about some kid's comment about video games? This reminds me of that thread about that prodigy who killed himself, which also caused many pages of discussion. Most of the replies seem to be about rationalizing why he graduated college and predicting he will burn out...
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On June 10 2009 04:35 CubEdIn wrote:
Hillarious. As if anyone has a 100% clear self-formed opinion when they're 11.
That's the point. He's 11. He *can't* have a 100% self-formed opinion. How is his opinion valuable enough to be proclaimed on television and the news if its not even his own?
On June 10 2009 04:35 CubEdIn wrote:
And even if it's JUST regurgitating what he's been taught, how does that make it less true? Video games ARE wasting time. There are plenty of activities that you can do for fun that have beneficial effects on your mind AND body. Again, I'm not saying nobody should play video games, I'm just saying that now-a-days, kids are growing up doing JUST this, which is horrible in so many ways.
Irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The statement being true doesn't mean that it's appropriate to express on TV, especially when you're just regurgitating something someone told you.
On June 10 2009 04:35 CubEdIn wrote:
Also, I never said that his opinion mattered more than others', but saying that his DOES NOT matter because he is only 11 is idiotic. He clearly has the ability to reason, so his opinion should matter just as much as the next schmuck's.
The difference is "the next schmuck" isn't getting interviewed on television, and telling everyone how he's going to change the world.
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On June 10 2009 04:30 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 04:25 CubEdIn wrote:
The kid just spoke his mind, and everyone who disses him is just jealous of having nothing to show for themselves, because if you would, you'd realize that everyone does what he likes doing. He couldn't have done this if he didn't LIKE studying and giving his best, no matter how much parents push. Wait, you SERIOUSLY think he spoke his own mind, and isn't just regurgitating what he's been taught? You must be seriously naive if you think its his own, self-formed opinion.
To be quite honest, I think (super genius) 11 year-olds are smart enough to form their own opinions about the world. Though his opinions were probably influenced by his parents, I think its a bit of stretch to say he's just "regurgitating what he's been taught."
BTW, I doubt there are many people in the world who have a 100% self-formed opinion. Essentially the only way that would be possible would be if someone had never been in contact with another human being.
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He's not... a super genius though. He's talented, gifted, sure. But hold off on proclaiming him Tesla reborn until he actually does something praiseworthy.
In this day and age we laud 'potential' and 'effort' so much more than actual results. It's inane.
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I know, I'm just exaggerating a bit.
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On June 10 2009 04:46 4iner wrote:
BTW, I doubt there are many people in the world who have a 100% self-formed opinion. Essentially the only way that would be possible would be if someone had never been in contact with another human being.
Again, most of those people though don't end up on television telling people what's right and wrong, and how they're going to change the world. Or writing a book about it.
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On June 10 2009 04:58 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 04:46 4iner wrote:
BTW, I doubt there are many people in the world who have a 100% self-formed opinion. Essentially the only way that would be possible would be if someone had never been in contact with another human being. Again, most of those people though don't end up on television telling people what's right and wrong, and how they're going to change the world. Or writing a book about it.
So now you're going to step into the "who should be on TV" field? It will never end. The point is that he was on TV because he accomplished something that not many can. He got his 15 minutes of fame and he just answered a question in the way he saw fit. No need to claw his eyes out for not trying to come up with something that couldn't possibly bother anyone ever.
And yeah, every now and then you do see the next schmuck on TV being asked random questions and you make fun of him or appreciate his answer, that doesn't mean you have to take it for granted or anything, it's just one man's opinion. Or one kid's opinion. It's just an opinion. He graduated college @ 11, so he "earned" the right to be on tv for 5 minutes. Don't you think?
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Everyone's world has been turned upside by some 11 year old kid LOL
13 pages?????????????????
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nope, you may have just helped push it to 14.
Good job
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On June 10 2009 04:17 King K. Rool wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 03:33 Empyrean wrote:Ok, so I've been browsing around the ELAC website...even though this kid is technically a college graduate, if he really wants to have a successful career in astrophysics, I certainly hope he considers a degree at another university. Browsing through their math department shows that ODE's are the fourth highest level of math you can take. Some high schoolers are taking classes in ODE's :/...Independent study in any subject is cirtually guaranteed to be more useful at, say, a California state school. Let's compare some course descriptions: Math 105 at East Los Angeles College: Source: http://www.elac.edu/academic/doc/CourseDescriptions/Mathematics - CourseDescriptions.pdfThis course is designed to give students understanding and competency in the basic operations of elementary arithmetic. Topics include the standard operations with applications on whole numbers, fractions, decimals, ratio, proportion, and percent. Additional topics may be chosen from geometric figures and introduction to algebra. And Math 105 at, say, Duke: Source: http://www.aas.duke.edu/reg/synopsis/view.cgi?term=1270&s=01&action=display&subj=MATH&course=105Mathematics 105 is a course in vector calculus that uses linear algebra. Topics to be covered include: iterated integrals and partial derivatives, optimization (constrained and unconstrained) in multiple dimensions, the Implicit Function Theorem, cylindrical and spherical coordinate systems, vector fields, divergence and curl, parameterized curves and surfaces, arc length and surface area, and Green's, Stokes's, and Gauss's Theorems. Hahahaha. I freaking lol'd. I don't know what else the kid's taken (and I'm sure he's smart), but that course is a joke at the very least. My parents (Chinese) taught me that shit while I was still in elementary school. He probably would've been better off going through highschool and going to a good university instead of speeding through some third-rate college (assuming it's third-rate by that math 105 description).
Criticism is fine. most likely not a very high grade course. but you cant say you learnt "optimization (constrained and unconstrained) in multiple dimensions" in elementary school. (1-5 assuming 6-8 is middle school). in Grade 6 you would NOT have known how to parameterized. stop blowing shit out of proportion.
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On June 10 2009 11:27 Mykill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2009 04:17 King K. Rool wrote:On June 10 2009 03:33 Empyrean wrote:Ok, so I've been browsing around the ELAC website...even though this kid is technically a college graduate, if he really wants to have a successful career in astrophysics, I certainly hope he considers a degree at another university. Browsing through their math department shows that ODE's are the fourth highest level of math you can take. Some high schoolers are taking classes in ODE's :/...Independent study in any subject is cirtually guaranteed to be more useful at, say, a California state school. Let's compare some course descriptions: Math 105 at East Los Angeles College: Source: http://www.elac.edu/academic/doc/CourseDescriptions/Mathematics - CourseDescriptions.pdfThis course is designed to give students understanding and competency in the basic operations of elementary arithmetic. Topics include the standard operations with applications on whole numbers, fractions, decimals, ratio, proportion, and percent. Additional topics may be chosen from geometric figures and introduction to algebra. And Math 105 at, say, Duke: Source: http://www.aas.duke.edu/reg/synopsis/view.cgi?term=1270&s=01&action=display&subj=MATH&course=105Mathematics 105 is a course in vector calculus that uses linear algebra. Topics to be covered include: iterated integrals and partial derivatives, optimization (constrained and unconstrained) in multiple dimensions, the Implicit Function Theorem, cylindrical and spherical coordinate systems, vector fields, divergence and curl, parameterized curves and surfaces, arc length and surface area, and Green's, Stokes's, and Gauss's Theorems. Hahahaha. I freaking lol'd. I don't know what else the kid's taken (and I'm sure he's smart), but that course is a joke at the very least. My parents (Chinese) taught me that shit while I was still in elementary school. He probably would've been better off going through highschool and going to a good university instead of speeding through some third-rate college (assuming it's third-rate by that math 105 description). Criticism is fine. most likely not a very high grade course. but you cant say you learnt "optimization (constrained and unconstrained) in multiple dimensions" in elementary school. (1-5 assuming 6-8 is middle school). in Grade 6 you would NOT have known how to parameterized. stop blowing shit out of proportion.
I think he was talking about the Topics include the standard operations with applications on whole numbers, fractions, decimals, ratio, proportion, and percent. part, where the guy got his degree from.
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As long as you're having fun. You're not wasting your time.
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On June 10 2009 03:33 Empyrean wrote:Ok, so I've been browsing around the ELAC website...even though this kid is technically a college graduate, if he really wants to have a successful career in astrophysics, I certainly hope he considers a degree at another university. Browsing through their math department shows that ODE's are the fourth highest level of math you can take. Some high schoolers are taking classes in ODE's :/...Independent study in any subject is cirtually guaranteed to be more useful at, say, a California state school. Let's compare some course descriptions: Math 105 at East Los Angeles College: Source: http://www.elac.edu/academic/doc/CourseDescriptions/Mathematics - CourseDescriptions.pdfShow nested quote +This course is designed to give students understanding and competency in the basic operations of elementary arithmetic. Topics include the standard operations with applications on whole numbers, fractions, decimals, ratio, proportion, and percent. Additional topics may be chosen from geometric figures and introduction to algebra. And Math 105 at, say, Duke: Source: http://www.aas.duke.edu/reg/synopsis/view.cgi?term=1270&s=01&action=display&subj=MATH&course=105Show nested quote +Mathematics 105 is a course in vector calculus that uses linear algebra. Topics to be covered include: iterated integrals and partial derivatives, optimization (constrained and unconstrained) in multiple dimensions, the Implicit Function Theorem, cylindrical and spherical coordinate systems, vector fields, divergence and curl, parameterized curves and surfaces, arc length and surface area, and Green's, Stokes's, and Gauss's Theorems.
That's a pretty ridiculous comparison on several levels. Every college has different number schemes for their classes, so it's entirely pointless to compare two classes just because they have 105 in common. I'm sure that Duke has classes designed to cater to people who are not particularly good at math. There are a lot of students at duke, and not all of them took AP calculus in high school, aced the math portion of their SAT, and jumped right into vector calculus their freshman year.
Also East LA College probably doesn't even have a class like that, being a small community college. If they can do basic math, college algebra, calculus, and maybe a few classes in things like multivariable/linear algebra/etc, they've probably maxed out their budget and teaching staff.
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