great post. Never heard of him before but now i love the guy. But i would never want to see him in office because I doubt he will be able to change the country in the way he wants to. And it would suck to see this man crushed by politics.
if theres ever an auto-biography to read its venturas', hes always been a dude thats a good role model and an honorable man. as far as i know ive never known him to do anything to skewer this image.
On May 15 2009 11:02 Archerofaiur wrote: You know what the crazy part is? The grand old party is supposed to be the moral party. When did strong religous values make torture permisable?
Because the Republican party has strayed from proper conservatism, becoming obsessed instead with foreign intervention and empire building.
No you see you have to give them radical respect. They really believe what they are doing is in the best interest of the country. Its just sad how far that path has taken them from their core principles.
On May 15 2009 05:03 Physician wrote: Aegraen, a question since you seem to know your stuff, has "waterboarding" ever being torture, for the military that is? Has the US military ever called it torture in the past? Has it ever been illegal?
nice thread.. no one's going to convince 'the other side' to cross on the topic of torture since it simply is way too polarizing. You'd have to discuss with lots of detail with specific cases with accurate information and so forth, but for one that's far from achievable for lack of known facts and for two, people will keep on polarizing the other side with hollow arguments to ride their own moral ground.
On May 15 2009 14:23 Space[Fright] wrote: Arguing with a wall is like running into a wall, the wall always wins
Say what you want and altho I dont particulary agree with Aegraen he is constantly backing up his opinnions with arguments and reason, which is often more then can be said of the people opposing him.
He arguments in a way which i would expect from Taliban extremists or other total nutjobs. Actually i would go even further and say that the Taliban extremists probably have better arguments for their (flawed) cause then Aegran for his (also flawed cause).
the americans trying to justify and defend their countrys actions in this matter should shut the hell up. if u cant see how this is a crime, and wrong. then theres something even more wrong with you.
On May 15 2009 14:23 Space[Fright] wrote: Arguing with a wall is like running into a wall, the wall always wins
Say what you want and altho I dont particulary agree with Aegraen he is constantly backing up his opinnions with arguments and reason, which is often more then can be said of the people opposing him.
If waterboarding isn't torture, why don't you apply it your "normal" prisoners? If it is as effective at you say it would certainly help solving a few kidnappings etc. Maybe you should have water boarded Bill Clinton about this Lewinsky affair. It's a fair, effective and harmless interrogation technique after all, isn't it?
What scares me (or upsets me) most of all about this thread is the different rules for "us" and "them". If the Taliban captured a US officer (who could very well be renamed "an infidel" in order to dodge the geneva convention, US style) and waterboarded him in order to learn information about incomming US attacks it would spark an outrage in America. Damn those taliban-nazis for torturing our fine men.
Waterboarding some those muslims in guantanamo on the other hand is just fine.
lol that guy is hilarious... I didn't think I'd ever witness such a stereotypically brainwashed and retarded US Military member. Dude if you'd really wanna serve your country you'd best stfu and not fuel the anti-american sentiments by writing pages and pages of indoctrinated crap.
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