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On March 18 2012 02:40 Green Sun s Zenith wrote:
Oh ya accuse a aguard at a concentration camp of how ever many counts of murder, but bring over high ranking germans and nazi scientists to work for US interests ...( 'PROJECT PAPERCLIP' ) And to Incontrols comment about punishing the people who executed the orders , w hat about these nazi scientists who ARE some what responsible for millions of deaths and working ffor and with Hitler. I wish things worked the way you talk about but in real life thats not what has happened in every case , clearly.
I think this is a case of:
History is written by the victors.
and
To the victor go the spoils.
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If you think about it, ofcourse he had to obey the orders, but on the other hand, he could also refuse even though it may have costed him his life. He knew thousands of innocent people were gonna be killed in a horrible way.
It's a tough choice to make, he is old, but you could also say that's why I would say conduct him, it's not like he will be in jail that long with his age.
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On March 17 2012 21:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 05:07 Fleebenworth wrote:
Again, I'm not really sure how the fact that you were subject to punishment if you dissented is any excuse for supporting the genocide and slaughter of millions. Because then soldiers of any nation are placed under a Morton's Fork situation where absolutely every choice they make will result in their imprisonment and death. There's a world of grey area between "monster" and "hero", and most soldiers that are following orders land in that area. A failure to be a hero should never be a crime. Or, if you feel that strongly about soldiers committing crimes under orders, feel free to start a crusade against any US soldier not named Bradley Manning.
That's because he commited crimes on his own initiative in the most idiotic fashion possible.
Anyways, glad this is all over, this was just too polarizing a case to be resolved with everyone happy.
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So wait, in 50 years are the prison guards of guantanimo bay going to be sent to jail? Sure it's not murder going on there, but guarding a torcher facility's gotta have its negatives.
to many double standards in the world.
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On March 18 2012 03:32 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
So wait, in 50 years are the prison guards of guantanimo bay going to be sent to jail? Sure it's not murder going on there, but guarding a torcher facility's gotta have its negatives.
to many double standards in the world.
260K counts of accessory to murder is serious business compared to torture.
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You could similarly say that people who created the atom bomb were accessory to murder of thousands of civilians.in horishma and nagisaki. They were innocent were they not? Its just a simple case of victors write history and can judge however they want.
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On March 18 2012 03:39 Praetorial wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 03:32 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
So wait, in 50 years are the prison guards of guantanimo bay going to be sent to jail? Sure it's not murder going on there, but guarding a torcher facility's gotta have its negatives.
to many double standards in the world. 260K counts of accessory to murder is serious business compared to torture.
That's a really ridiclous claim, and its 29,000 if the threads title is correct, being the guy who gaurds a prison murdering people everyday and being the guy who tortures and guards prisoners definitely serious business and definitely can be compared... Also in case you were curious, genocide and torture are both globally frowned on and illegal...
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This man should have been killed years and years ago. The fact that he was protected by law is a shame to humanity. Letting a mass murderer and killer that killed innocents by the thousands live in our midst is a failure to realize the gravity of the situation. This man should have been found guilty and executed 60 years ago ...
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On March 18 2012 03:57 Holy_AT wrote:
This man should have been killed years and years ago. The fact that he was protected by law is a shame to humanity. Letting a mass murderer and killer that killed innocents by the thousands live in our midst is a failure to realize the gravity of the situation. This man should have been found guilty and executed 60 years ago ...
Yay, death penalty! Let's burn everyone who could be guilty!
...did you even read the articles on this topic? -.-
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On March 18 2012 04:07 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 03:57 Holy_AT wrote:
This man should have been killed years and years ago. The fact that he was protected by law is a shame to humanity. Letting a mass murderer and killer that killed innocents by the thousands live in our midst is a failure to realize the gravity of the situation. This man should have been found guilty and executed 60 years ago ... Yay, death penalty! Let's burn everyone who could be guilty! ...did you even read the articles on this topic? -.-
Everyone who didn't oppose that regime is guilty and this man certainly did not.
His acts are unspeakable.
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On March 18 2012 05:00 Holy_AT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 04:07 r.Evo wrote:On March 18 2012 03:57 Holy_AT wrote:
This man should have been killed years and years ago. The fact that he was protected by law is a shame to humanity. Letting a mass murderer and killer that killed innocents by the thousands live in our midst is a failure to realize the gravity of the situation. This man should have been found guilty and executed 60 years ago ... Yay, death penalty! Let's burn everyone who could be guilty! ...did you even read the articles on this topic? -.- Everyone who didn't oppose that regime is guilty and this man certainly did not. His acts are unspeakable.
You do realize how high the risk of death was for people who opposed that regime...
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On March 18 2012 03:14 CrazyAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 02:40 Green Sun s Zenith wrote:
Oh ya accuse a aguard at a concentration camp of how ever many counts of murder, but bring over high ranking germans and nazi scientists to work for US interests ...( 'PROJECT PAPERCLIP' ) And to Incontrols comment about punishing the people who executed the orders , w hat about these nazi scientists who ARE some what responsible for millions of deaths and working ffor and with Hitler. I wish things worked the way you talk about but in real life thats not what has happened in every case , clearly. I think this is a case of: History is written by the victors.and To the victor go the spoils.
So you better hope that you're the winning side in the war, or every order you obeyed may be held up after the fact by people that disagree with it. Catch 22 - You get caught disobeying orders, and are subjected to the penalty, and if you're objecting to moral reasons, perhaps that penalty is death. If you follow orders, pussy out of fleeing, go with the path of least resistance, you can be incriminated after the fact when the war is lost. If its won, you're a hero. War is hell.
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On March 18 2012 05:00 Holy_AT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 04:07 r.Evo wrote:On March 18 2012 03:57 Holy_AT wrote:
This man should have been killed years and years ago. The fact that he was protected by law is a shame to humanity. Letting a mass murderer and killer that killed innocents by the thousands live in our midst is a failure to realize the gravity of the situation. This man should have been found guilty and executed 60 years ago ... Yay, death penalty! Let's burn everyone who could be guilty! ...did you even read the articles on this topic? -.- Everyone who didn't oppose that regime is guilty and this man certainly did not. His acts are unspeakable.
You do realize that if he had opposed this regime it was almost a guarantee he would have been killed and the same could have happened to his family?
It's fun to play the moral always right keyboard warrior, but don't come spouting this shit.
What do you think should happen to the us/British pilots who bombed Dresden and probably each individually murdered hundreds of innocent people?
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On March 18 2012 05:15 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 03:14 CrazyAsian wrote:On March 18 2012 02:40 Green Sun s Zenith wrote:
Oh ya accuse a aguard at a concentration camp of how ever many counts of murder, but bring over high ranking germans and nazi scientists to work for US interests ...( 'PROJECT PAPERCLIP' ) And to Incontrols comment about punishing the people who executed the orders , w hat about these nazi scientists who ARE some what responsible for millions of deaths and working ffor and with Hitler. I wish things worked the way you talk about but in real life thats not what has happened in every case , clearly. I think this is a case of: History is written by the victors.and To the victor go the spoils. So you better hope that you're the winning side in the war, or every order you obeyed may be held up after the fact by people that disagree with it. Catch 22 - You get caught disobeying orders, and are subjected to the penalty, and if you're objecting to moral reasons, perhaps that penalty is death. If you follow orders, pussy out of fleeing, go with the path of least resistance, you can be incriminated after the fact when the war is lost. If its won, you're a hero. War is hell.
well said...
What could he have done?
The choice is not always simple for some...
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On March 18 2012 05:24 Kojak21 wrote:
happy he died
So how would you feel if baby trolls celebrated your death on internet forums?
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On March 18 2012 05:26 Muki wrote:So how would you feel if baby trolls celebrated your death on internet forums?
if i did the things he did i would be glad if the would
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On March 18 2012 05:18 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 05:00 Holy_AT wrote:On March 18 2012 04:07 r.Evo wrote:On March 18 2012 03:57 Holy_AT wrote:
This man should have been killed years and years ago. The fact that he was protected by law is a shame to humanity. Letting a mass murderer and killer that killed innocents by the thousands live in our midst is a failure to realize the gravity of the situation. This man should have been found guilty and executed 60 years ago ... Yay, death penalty! Let's burn everyone who could be guilty! ...did you even read the articles on this topic? -.- Everyone who didn't oppose that regime is guilty and this man certainly did not. His acts are unspeakable. You do realize that if he had opposed this regime it was almost a guarantee he would have been killed and the same could have happened to his family? It's fun to play the moral always right keyboard warrior, but don't come spouting this shit. What do you think should happen to the us/British pilots who bombed Dresden and probably each individually murdered hundreds of innocent people?
I must say that I think it was the right choice to bomb the towns and they did the right thing. The nazis, the regime the government their organisations and what not where all evil and guilty as hell and the ones who didn't do anything even at the start of this terror were guilty of letting it all happen.
The people who tried to stop this while putting their own life on the line were fucking heroes !
And I'd rather sacrifice everything to secure a future without these people in power because with them there is no future.
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On March 18 2012 05:24 Kojak21 wrote:
happy he died
Glad to see we still have people that are immature enough to celebrate death.
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On March 18 2012 05:33 Holy_AT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 05:18 1Eris1 wrote:On March 18 2012 05:00 Holy_AT wrote:On March 18 2012 04:07 r.Evo wrote:On March 18 2012 03:57 Holy_AT wrote:
This man should have been killed years and years ago. The fact that he was protected by law is a shame to humanity. Letting a mass murderer and killer that killed innocents by the thousands live in our midst is a failure to realize the gravity of the situation. This man should have been found guilty and executed 60 years ago ... Yay, death penalty! Let's burn everyone who could be guilty! ...did you even read the articles on this topic? -.- Everyone who didn't oppose that regime is guilty and this man certainly did not. His acts are unspeakable. You do realize that if he had opposed this regime it was almost a guarantee he would have been killed and the same could have happened to his family? It's fun to play the moral always right keyboard warrior, but don't come spouting this shit. What do you think should happen to the us/British pilots who bombed Dresden and probably each individually murdered hundreds of innocent people? I must say that I think it was the right choice to bomb the towns and they did the right thing. The nazis, the regime the government their organisations and what not where all evil and guilty as hell and the ones who didn't do anything even at the start of this terror were guilty of letting it all happen. The people who tried to stop this while putting their own life on the line were fucking heroes ! And I'd rather sacrifice everything to secure a future without these people in power because with them there is no future.
And yet not every German in Germany supported the regime; but you believe it was alright for them to be killed because they did not sacrifice their lives to save others.
Makes me wonder why you aren't off in syria or some place like that, trying to protect all of the innocent people getting slaughtered.
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