Hi, I've been thinking about getting something similar to an ipod, devoted to playing music (I don't need to watch videos on it) but don't want an ipod itself.
I don't know many mp3 players out there and I need your recommendations
Things I am looking for: - Decent amount of storage space. 3~4 GB - Nice design - Stable machine that works for at least 2 years - Must be able to display other language fonts - Budget: Anywhere between $100 to $200 dollars - Non used.
the walkmen kind of things from sony look nice, but they're expensive for the right design.
Creative tends to have these cookie cutter players that are fairly cheap, but you're not going to get anything interesting out of them.
The zune is starting to be a decent player, but the real killer for all of the above is the software. Itunes is one of the best mp3 organizing desktop software.
Ioono i'd say get what ever supports his foreign languages he wants probably Japanese and Korean cuz everyone loves a _____. Nice one about some of the creative players is they have the crystalizer and a surround sound emulator on the device it make things sound nice but drains the batter like 3 6 times faster lol.
I'm a big fan of the Creative Zen series, it's got great sound quality, supports foreign languages, has FM radio (big plus) and you can record off of the radio (bigger plus). They're not too expensive either.
On May 02 2009 10:13 Flakes wrote: I'm a big fan of the Creative Zen series, it's got great sound quality, supports foreign languages, has FM radio (big plus) and you can record off of the radio (bigger plus). They're not too expensive either.
Yeah i have a creative zen x-fi 32gig has wifi it's great for streaming music around the doom off the wifi and trasnfering music. It's also comes with great headphones that come with 3? i believe different ear sizes so they aren't too hard on your ears. I think the 16gig verson is in his price range.
scan through this, I bet you will find something you'd like and then try and find it cheaper through out other stores.
I am wondering, why not an ipod?
I skimmed through it and for some reason, I get turned off by Zune. I didn't like a lot of the stuff that BestBuy was selling
I don't want an ipod because this is actually a gift for someone and she doesn't like ipods. She thinks everyone has one, which is true imo.
Can anyone tell me if the Zen series is reliable? You guys make it sound like its really nice, but I don't want to end up with crappy hardware & software
the one i have =D More Vids on youtube if you care to search. Excellent internal firmware support + customize forum: http://www.clixhere.net/forums.php
Giant Edit: First: YAY FOR NO IPOD. Good for you for actually doing research before buying a shitty conformist mp3 player (well shitty might be too harsh). Fucking everyone has one of those these days. I tunes sucks too i have no idea why people like to use that resource hog. Winamp ftw. /fanboyrant
Things you are looking for: - Decent amount of storage space. 3~4 GB > Yes the clix2 comes in 2/4/8 GB i believe, i have an 8GB and i keep Advent children on it so i can look at the pretty action scenes every now and then and still have lots of room for my choice selection of music. CHECK. - Nice design > hands down what sold me in the first place. The design is incredibly simple and sleek, no instructions needed, just 5 mins with it and you will know how it works inside out. No buttons is a huge plus, and pressing the sides feel waaaay better than the fucking thumbwheel. The hold button is tucked out of the way, and is quite important because if you dont put it on hold you might press the sides of the screen by accident while its in your pocket and that will jump songs. Volume and power off button are also placed on the rim. Feels very natural when i reach in my pocket blind to change volume/power on off. Hold button doesn't lock volume, but thats ok because its really hard to press down the volume buttons by accident. In fact this is a plus for me, i always like to adjust volume esp if someone starts to talk to me. And proportionally speaking, the screen is fucking huge, because....well its essentially all screen + small thin border. CHCHCHFUCKINGCHECK. - Stable machine that works for at least 2 years > i've had mine for 1.5 years and going now and its still as good as the first day. The condomy protective case that comes with it adds to the grip and makes it all soft and felt like. I'm also constantly dropping it and so far so good. CHECK. - Must be able to display other language fonts > 100% capable, i can read chinese/japanese/korean all on it. But it is based off of the IDV3 (or w/e its called) tag. Which i can change/modify in winamp. CHECK. - Budget: Anywhere between $100 to $200 dollars. > The 8GB cost me $170 USD ircc. And that was 1.5 years ago. Prices might have dropped by now and if you are looking for a 2 or 4 GB instead, they should be cheaper still. CHECK.
BONUSES: - DRAG AND DROP. It comes with some software thingy but i dont use it at all. - Displaying Album art is awesome =D but configuring it/editing all songs for it is a pain. I would look for an external program to do so but i'm lazy. - Radio. - Video + Slideshow (YES deMOTIVATIONAL PICTURES FTW) - Voice recording - ENTIRELY CUSTOMIZABLE INTERFACE. This is gold. You can download and import skins for your iriver clix. They can even change color for you depending on the day of the week. I currently have a sketch pad looking arty theme, but the guy in the vid had some nice gfx going. - Flash games. Nuff said. - Good fan community support. There are quite a number of people skinning/making flash games/twiddling with the firmware, so it allows for high amounts of customization. I dont really browse the forum anymore, but when i first got it i downloaded a number of stuff useful from there. such as a more efficient video encoder and skins/games ect. - Forum FAQ is here: http://www.clixhere.net/clix-faqs-guides/941-must-read-faq-list.html - Battery life lasts me anywhere from 3-6 days of usage. I dont remember the precise number of hours, but i think it lasts longer than an ipod? - Black. Sleek. Nuff said. - Bragging rights. (OOOOH ITS SOOOO COOL)
Minor Annoyances: - You have to charge it from USB chord, and cant play music from the player while you are doing so. - Sometimes i forget to put player on hold, and accidentally press buttons in the pocket causing it to skip songs. - Fork out a few extra bucks to buy the protective plastic coating, its worth it. Now i can throw pens in my pocket and not risk scratching it. - Deciding between UMS/MSC in the settings. I eventually settled with UMS and was happy ever since. (really its not as big a deal as i made it out to be) - Previously i was a proud owner of a creative MuVo (cheap, durable, best bangforbuck imo). And the one thing i miss about that is that i could pull it out and plug it right into the computer as a flash drive. Now if i want to do that with the clix, i have to bring the cable along. Oh well.
The 32gb version is coming out very very soon, meaning the price of the 16gb version will probably go down a significant amount.
Do your research, compare the s9 to ipods, zunes, iriver clix, samsung p3, etc. Trust me, you will be amazed at cowon's incredible audio quality (considered the best audio quality on the market by nearly all who know cowon). The ipod's audio quality is absolute trash compared to the s9 or even the d2/+, ask anyone who has used both. The AMOLED screen blows the TFT screens on all the other players out the window, videos look so bright and well-defined on it.
It's a touch screen, btw.
edit: oh yeah, and its rated 55 hours audio playback battery life compared to most others being <15 hours
I think durability/ cost/ storage are the most important factors to consider in this case.
I was in ur shoes. My thought is, technology is growing fast and 3-4 gb music player is not something u wanna spend 100s of dollars on. And spending 50 more dollars for half an inch screen is ridiculous. You want something to use to listen to. But if you value sound quality, you don't want to get something like ipod shuffle either.
I suggest sansa clip. Look for refurbished deals or search ebay for 4gb player. You should be able to get one around 50 dollars. It actually provides decent sound. I'd recommend getting decent earphones like yuin pk3 (~50). Now you got urself a nice portable system.
Check out the head-fi.org forum for more info. The people there know tons about this stuff. A few days ago, I was in the same boat you're in and eventually picked the Sony Walkman S639. + Show Spoiler +
Edit: The three most popular brands at head-fi seem to be Sansa, Cowon, and Sony (besides Apple iPods). The following models all supposedly have very good sound quality.
For Sansa, you have two options: Clip or Fuze. They're known for having great sound quality yet being very inexpensive. Sansa Fuze comes in 2 gb, 4gb, and 8gb. Sansa Clip comes in 2 gb and 4 gb.
Cowon options are the D2 or iAudio 7. These are more expensive than the Sansa ones. Cowon D2 comes in 4gb, 8gb, and 16 gb. It has a touch screen that takes up most of the player. *Warning: it's actually a lot smaller than it looks in the picture in the link. Scroll down the page and find the dimensions. Cowon iAudio 7 doesn't have the big screen the D2 has. It's more of a music player.
Sony has a lot of models, so it's hard to cover them all. There's the E, A, and S series. The E series is the cheapest of the three and lack some features the other one has. The latest A series has bluetooth support, while the latest S series has built-in noise canceling. That's the gist of it, but you'll have to look into it to get a better idea.
sansa clip is the best pure music player available. small, simple, durable, and way below your budget. also has great sound quality, if not the best. take the money you save and get some nice headphones to go with it.
other good options are: creative (used to be really awesome, now just average/above average) zune (much better than it used to be) cowon (notorious for great sound quality, and the new s9 is fucking SEXY)
Giant Edit: First: YAY FOR NO IPOD. Good for you for actually doing research before buying a shitty conformist mp3 player (well shitty might be too harsh). Fucking everyone has one of those these days. I tunes sucks too i have no idea why people like to use that resource hog. Winamp ftw. /fanboyrant
Things you are looking for: - Decent amount of storage space. 3~4 GB > Yes the clix2 comes in 2/4/8 GB i believe, i have an 8GB and i keep Advent children on it so i can look at the pretty action scenes every now and then and still have lots of room for my choice selection of music. CHECK. - Nice design > hands down what sold me in the first place. The design is incredibly simple and sleek, no instructions needed, just 5 mins with it and you will know how it works inside out. No buttons is a huge plus, and pressing the sides feel waaaay better than the fucking thumbwheel. The hold button is tucked out of the way, and is quite important because if you dont put it on hold you might press the sides of the screen by accident while its in your pocket and that will jump songs. Volume and power off button are also placed on the rim. Feels very natural when i reach in my pocket blind to change volume/power on off. Hold button doesn't lock volume, but thats ok because its really hard to press down the volume buttons by accident. In fact this is a plus for me, i always like to adjust volume esp if someone starts to talk to me. And proportionally speaking, the screen is fucking huge, because....well its essentially all screen + small thin border. CHCHCHFUCKINGCHECK. - Stable machine that works for at least 2 years > i've had mine for 1.5 years and going now and its still as good as the first day. The condomy protective case that comes with it adds to the grip and makes it all soft and felt like. I'm also constantly dropping it and so far so good. CHECK. - Must be able to display other language fonts > 100% capable, i can read chinese/japanese/korean all on it. But it is based off of the IDV3 (or w/e its called) tag. Which i can change/modify in winamp. CHECK. - Budget: Anywhere between $100 to $200 dollars. > The 8GB cost me $170 USD ircc. And that was 1.5 years ago. Prices might have dropped by now and if you are looking for a 2 or 4 GB instead, they should be cheaper still. CHECK.
BONUSES: - DRAG AND DROP. It comes with some software thingy but i dont use it at all. - Displaying Album art is awesome =D but configuring it/editing all songs for it is a pain. I would look for an external program to do so but i'm lazy. - Radio. - Video + Slideshow (YES deMOTIVATIONAL PICTURES FTW) - Voice recording - ENTIRELY CUSTOMIZABLE INTERFACE. This is gold. You can download and import skins for your iriver clix. They can even change color for you depending on the day of the week. I currently have a sketch pad looking arty theme, but the guy in the vid had some nice gfx going. - Flash games. Nuff said. - Good fan community support. There are quite a number of people skinning/making flash games/twiddling with the firmware, so it allows for high amounts of customization. I dont really browse the forum anymore, but when i first got it i downloaded a number of stuff useful from there. such as a more efficient video encoder and skins/games ect. - Forum FAQ is here: http://www.clixhere.net/clix-faqs-guides/941-must-read-faq-list.html - Battery life lasts me anywhere from 3-6 days of usage. I dont remember the precise number of hours, but i think it lasts longer than an ipod? - Black. Sleek. Nuff said. - Bragging rights. (OOOOH ITS SOOOO COOL)
Minor Annoyances: - You have to charge it from USB chord, and cant play music from the player while you are doing so. - Sometimes i forget to put player on hold, and accidentally press buttons in the pocket causing it to skip songs. - Fork out a few extra bucks to buy the protective plastic coating, its worth it. Now i can throw pens in my pocket and not risk scratching it. - Deciding between UMS/MSC in the settings. I eventually settled with UMS and was happy ever since. (really its not as big a deal as i made it out to be) - Previously i was a proud owner of a creative MuVo (cheap, durable, best bangforbuck imo). And the one thing i miss about that is that i could pull it out and plug it right into the computer as a flash drive. Now if i want to do that with the clix, i have to bring the cable along. Oh well.
Highly Recommend the iRiver Clix2 (theres a first generation one but why would you want that)
Holy shit, you deserve a cookie.
Personally I just like sticking with my iPod. Conformist? Whatever, it's been working fine for me and has everything I need so why not get one? Just because something is good/popular doesn't make someone a conformist for getting one. After all, if everyone starting getting what you have then I bet you wouldn't consider them conformists . You'd be like "FINALLY YOU REALIZED IT" =]=]
Giant Edit: First: YAY FOR NO IPOD. Good for you for actually doing research before buying a shitty conformist mp3 player (well shitty might be too harsh). Fucking everyone has one of those these days. I tunes sucks too i have no idea why people like to use that resource hog. Winamp ftw. /fanboyrant
Things you are looking for: - Decent amount of storage space. 3~4 GB > Yes the clix2 comes in 2/4/8 GB i believe, i have an 8GB and i keep Advent children on it so i can look at the pretty action scenes every now and then and still have lots of room for my choice selection of music. CHECK. - Nice design > hands down what sold me in the first place. The design is incredibly simple and sleek, no instructions needed, just 5 mins with it and you will know how it works inside out. No buttons is a huge plus, and pressing the sides feel waaaay better than the fucking thumbwheel. The hold button is tucked out of the way, and is quite important because if you dont put it on hold you might press the sides of the screen by accident while its in your pocket and that will jump songs. Volume and power off button are also placed on the rim. Feels very natural when i reach in my pocket blind to change volume/power on off. Hold button doesn't lock volume, but thats ok because its really hard to press down the volume buttons by accident. In fact this is a plus for me, i always like to adjust volume esp if someone starts to talk to me. And proportionally speaking, the screen is fucking huge, because....well its essentially all screen + small thin border. CHCHCHFUCKINGCHECK. - Stable machine that works for at least 2 years > i've had mine for 1.5 years and going now and its still as good as the first day. The condomy protective case that comes with it adds to the grip and makes it all soft and felt like. I'm also constantly dropping it and so far so good. CHECK. - Must be able to display other language fonts > 100% capable, i can read chinese/japanese/korean all on it. But it is based off of the IDV3 (or w/e its called) tag. Which i can change/modify in winamp. CHECK. - Budget: Anywhere between $100 to $200 dollars. > The 8GB cost me $170 USD ircc. And that was 1.5 years ago. Prices might have dropped by now and if you are looking for a 2 or 4 GB instead, they should be cheaper still. CHECK.
BONUSES: - DRAG AND DROP. It comes with some software thingy but i dont use it at all. - Displaying Album art is awesome =D but configuring it/editing all songs for it is a pain. I would look for an external program to do so but i'm lazy. - Radio. - Video + Slideshow (YES deMOTIVATIONAL PICTURES FTW) - Voice recording - ENTIRELY CUSTOMIZABLE INTERFACE. This is gold. You can download and import skins for your iriver clix. They can even change color for you depending on the day of the week. I currently have a sketch pad looking arty theme, but the guy in the vid had some nice gfx going. - Flash games. Nuff said. - Good fan community support. There are quite a number of people skinning/making flash games/twiddling with the firmware, so it allows for high amounts of customization. I dont really browse the forum anymore, but when i first got it i downloaded a number of stuff useful from there. such as a more efficient video encoder and skins/games ect. - Forum FAQ is here: http://www.clixhere.net/clix-faqs-guides/941-must-read-faq-list.html - Battery life lasts me anywhere from 3-6 days of usage. I dont remember the precise number of hours, but i think it lasts longer than an ipod? - Black. Sleek. Nuff said. - Bragging rights. (OOOOH ITS SOOOO COOL)
Minor Annoyances: - You have to charge it from USB chord, and cant play music from the player while you are doing so. - Sometimes i forget to put player on hold, and accidentally press buttons in the pocket causing it to skip songs. - Fork out a few extra bucks to buy the protective plastic coating, its worth it. Now i can throw pens in my pocket and not risk scratching it. - Deciding between UMS/MSC in the settings. I eventually settled with UMS and was happy ever since. (really its not as big a deal as i made it out to be) - Previously i was a proud owner of a creative MuVo (cheap, durable, best bangforbuck imo). And the one thing i miss about that is that i could pull it out and plug it right into the computer as a flash drive. Now if i want to do that with the clix, i have to bring the cable along. Oh well.
Highly Recommend the iRiver Clix2 (theres a first generation one but why would you want that Holy shit, you deserve a cookie.
Personally I just like sticking with my iPod. Conformist? Whatever, it's been working fine for me and has everything I need so why not get one? Just because something is good/popular doesn't make someone a conformist for getting one. After all, if everyone starting getting what you have then I bet you wouldn't consider them conformists . You'd be like "FINALLY YOU REALIZED IT" =]=]
*gives you a cookie*
Quoting super large posts makes friends fast right!
Giant Edit: First: YAY FOR NO IPOD. Good for you for actually doing research before buying a shitty conformist mp3 player (well shitty might be too harsh). Fucking everyone has one of those these days. I tunes sucks too i have no idea why people like to use that resource hog. Winamp ftw. /fanboyrant
Things you are looking for: - Decent amount of storage space. 3~4 GB > Yes the clix2 comes in 2/4/8 GB i believe, i have an 8GB and i keep Advent children on it so i can look at the pretty action scenes every now and then and still have lots of room for my choice selection of music. CHECK. - Nice design > hands down what sold me in the first place. The design is incredibly simple and sleek, no instructions needed, just 5 mins with it and you will know how it works inside out. No buttons is a huge plus, and pressing the sides feel waaaay better than the fucking thumbwheel. The hold button is tucked out of the way, and is quite important because if you dont put it on hold you might press the sides of the screen by accident while its in your pocket and that will jump songs. Volume and power off button are also placed on the rim. Feels very natural when i reach in my pocket blind to change volume/power on off. Hold button doesn't lock volume, but thats ok because its really hard to press down the volume buttons by accident. In fact this is a plus for me, i always like to adjust volume esp if someone starts to talk to me. And proportionally speaking, the screen is fucking huge, because....well its essentially all screen + small thin border. CHCHCHFUCKINGCHECK. - Stable machine that works for at least 2 years > i've had mine for 1.5 years and going now and its still as good as the first day. The condomy protective case that comes with it adds to the grip and makes it all soft and felt like. I'm also constantly dropping it and so far so good. CHECK. - Must be able to display other language fonts > 100% capable, i can read chinese/japanese/korean all on it. But it is based off of the IDV3 (or w/e its called) tag. Which i can change/modify in winamp. CHECK. - Budget: Anywhere between $100 to $200 dollars. > The 8GB cost me $170 USD ircc. And that was 1.5 years ago. Prices might have dropped by now and if you are looking for a 2 or 4 GB instead, they should be cheaper still. CHECK.
BONUSES: - DRAG AND DROP. It comes with some software thingy but i dont use it at all. - Displaying Album art is awesome =D but configuring it/editing all songs for it is a pain. I would look for an external program to do so but i'm lazy. - Radio. - Video + Slideshow (YES deMOTIVATIONAL PICTURES FTW) - Voice recording - ENTIRELY CUSTOMIZABLE INTERFACE. This is gold. You can download and import skins for your iriver clix. They can even change color for you depending on the day of the week. I currently have a sketch pad looking arty theme, but the guy in the vid had some nice gfx going. - Flash games. Nuff said. - Good fan community support. There are quite a number of people skinning/making flash games/twiddling with the firmware, so it allows for high amounts of customization. I dont really browse the forum anymore, but when i first got it i downloaded a number of stuff useful from there. such as a more efficient video encoder and skins/games ect. - Forum FAQ is here: http://www.clixhere.net/clix-faqs-guides/941-must-read-faq-list.html - Battery life lasts me anywhere from 3-6 days of usage. I dont remember the precise number of hours, but i think it lasts longer than an ipod? - Black. Sleek. Nuff said. - Bragging rights. (OOOOH ITS SOOOO COOL)
Minor Annoyances: - You have to charge it from USB chord, and cant play music from the player while you are doing so. - Sometimes i forget to put player on hold, and accidentally press buttons in the pocket causing it to skip songs. - Fork out a few extra bucks to buy the protective plastic coating, its worth it. Now i can throw pens in my pocket and not risk scratching it. - Deciding between UMS/MSC in the settings. I eventually settled with UMS and was happy ever since. (really its not as big a deal as i made it out to be) - Previously i was a proud owner of a creative MuVo (cheap, durable, best bangforbuck imo). And the one thing i miss about that is that i could pull it out and plug it right into the computer as a flash drive. Now if i want to do that with the clix, i have to bring the cable along. Oh well.
Highly Recommend the iRiver Clix2 (theres a first generation one but why would you want that Holy shit, you deserve a cookie.
Personally I just like sticking with my iPod. Conformist? Whatever, it's been working fine for me and has everything I need so why not get one? Just because something is good/popular doesn't make someone a conformist for getting one. After all, if everyone starting getting what you have then I bet you wouldn't consider them conformists . You'd be like "FINALLY YOU REALIZED IT" =]=]
*gives you a cookie*
Quoting super large posts makes friends fast right!
Of course, it emphasizes the well-earnedness of his cookie
tbh I would just get an itouch. If you add a bit moar money, you can buy a 16gb itouch. They last a long time if you treat it nicely(not stepping on screen or anything)
On May 02 2009 15:02 Racenilatr wrote: tbh I would just get an itouch. If you add a bit moar money, you can buy a 16gb itouch. They last a long time if you treat it nicely(not stepping on screen or anything)
Man, the touch is like super expensive, and not that great as a music player. You have your touch in your pocket, playing music, and all is good. What happens when you wanna change the volume or skip songs? With a normal player you just press a button or two. With the touch you gotta go through some slide to unlock shit and fiddle with some touchscreen stuff... forget it.
D2, i7, etc. are all awesome devices. Compact, extremely long battery life, support a huge number of formats (inc. flac + ogg), and have good sound quality.
On May 02 2009 11:36 Blind wrote: Check out the head-fi.org forum for more info. The people there know tons about this stuff. A few days ago, I was in the same boat you're in and eventually picked the Sony Walkman S639. + Show Spoiler +
Edit: The three most popular brands at head-fi seem to be Sansa, Cowon, and Sony (besides Apple iPods). The following models all supposedly have very good sound quality.
For Sansa, you have two options: Clip or Fuze. They're known for having great sound quality yet being very inexpensive. Sansa Fuze comes in 2 gb, 4gb, and 8gb. Sansa Clip comes in 2 gb and 4 gb.
Cowon options are the D2 or iAudio 7. These are more expensive than the Sansa ones. Cowon D2 comes in 4gb, 8gb, and 16 gb. It has a touch screen that takes up most of the player. *Warning: it's actually a lot smaller than it looks in the picture in the link. Scroll down the page and find the dimensions. Cowon iAudio 7 doesn't have the big screen the D2 has. It's more of a music player.
Sony has a lot of models, so it's hard to cover them all. There's the E, A, and S series. The E series is the cheapest of the three and lack some features the other one has. The latest A series has bluetooth support, while the latest S series has built-in noise canceling. That's the gist of it, but you'll have to look into it to get a better idea.
I don't knwo about Sansa because I've had bad experience with it but Cowon seems interesting and both the small and the bigger one interest me. Its kinda funny how the one dedicated soley for music playing is more expensive than the one with the bigger screen for touch.
I have a Sony Walkman (728 i think), its pretty good except for the proprietary cable. (Needed to buy two replacements so far :/ its like $10USD per cable). It plays music ok once you set up a proper eq, but i guess it could be much better. If i had to choose again I'd probably look more at Cowons or Creatives.
I'm thinking about getting one of the Cowons 7 or D+ but whats the main difference between them? And is there any stores that sell them? Because I need to give this gift fast and can't wait for shipping
I have a 1GB Creative ZEN Stone. It doesn't really fit your specifications, but I think it's great. It's small, lightweight, has decent battery life, music sounds alright coming from it, is practically free. It has no display of any kind though, only a LED to show if it's on, playing or if it's low on battery. And the 1GB is less than what you wanted, so you might not have room for your entire music collection on it. An ipod is probably the last thing I'd buy because of price, weight and higher power usage.
On May 02 2009 15:02 Racenilatr wrote: tbh I would just get an itouch. If you add a bit moar money, you can buy a 16gb itouch. They last a long time if you treat it nicely(not stepping on screen or anything)
Man, the touch is like super expensive, and not that great as a music player. You have your touch in your pocket, playing music, and all is good. What happens when you wanna change the volume or skip songs? With a normal player you just press a button or two. With the touch you gotta go through some slide to unlock shit and fiddle with some touchscreen stuff... forget it.
you don't have to do that with current gen itouches. The volume wheel is on the outside. Apple was smart and realized that having to unlock the screen every time to adjust the volume was annoying.
And like many others in this thread, I would just save up and get an itouch. I'm an owner of the first-gen itouch and I'm really happy with it. -It's easy to navigate through songs/albums/playlists. -It has decent battery-life (if you're just going to listen to music). -You can add applications/videos/pictures/check email on it. Browsing the web with it is kinda annoying for me because I have fat fingers so whenever I'm trying to click a thread title on the left site of say, TL.net I always end up clicking a link above or below the link I was aiming for. -the sound quality is pretty decent. -really slick-looking -a bad thing is that it's very easy to get it scratched or get the screen smudged (which may or not be a problem for you depending on how ocd you are). This can be solved though if you get a rubber casing for it.
I personally own the Cowon D2(almost exactly the same as +), and I chose it for a few reasons :
-It has great audio quality. It also has a headphone out AMP built in(which means you won't need to buy an amplifier unless you're really hardcore into music quality), and you can also power high sensitvity IEMs very well. Some say that the sound is "cold" that is, more analytical. This comes down to personal preference though.
It has LONG battery life. Rated around 50 hours+, depending on format and how you use it. If you listen just a few hours a day, you can go weeks without recharging.
It has compatibility for alot of formats.
It is expandable(It has a SD expansion slot that supports up to 32 gigabyte expansion cards) if you ever feel like you need more storage.
The touch screen is also very easy and comfortable to navigate. I have to admit that the S9 looks really sleek, though :p.
As for other brands, as people mentioned you might want to look into :