EPTDHS: Recession fueling right-wing extremism - Page 17
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No statistical analysis, no independent investigation, just copy and paste... when I do that, I'm unprofessional and childish, but when they do that, it's accurate and trustworthy? I hope most people can see how fraudulent they are. Did you even look at the websites they accessed? It was a mix of news organizations, the southern poverty law center, and government websites. Trying to discredit information by stating that its false because it comes from the internet is fairly ridiculous. Might as well tell me that online nature hosted papers aren't real science while you're at it. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
I'm saying thats NOT how it should be done to governmental assessments and reports, especially those distributed to cops throughout the nation demonizing every sort of group. You yourself found my statistical analysis ridiculous, now we know that their own research is just as ridiculous, if not even more, because they didn't even try to build statistical data. Anyone can do the kind of shit they just did. It proves nothing, it should be the base for no argument. Why are you still against me, and not those crooks? They lie in your face and you're still defending them. God damnit. | ||
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There was no statistical data in the report itself other than a brief comment on the amount of cases reported. Nowhere in the report was there a 'these guys are 50% more likely to XYZ', just 'this group sometimes does things, as noted by this plethora of chronicled events'. 'Do the kind of shit they just did'? What shit do you mean? Publishing a report linking crimes to a group who committed those crimes? Wow. Big shocker. I don't care if its the mexican mob, the italian mob, a new age wiccan cult or a bunch of militia members; if they're committing crimes related to their group's aims, I'd want to know. Then again, this looks like another case of you not looking at the information you posted and taking a partisan blog as the be-all and end-all of truth. We've been here before. Last I remember you made yourself look like quite the retard for doing pretty much exactly this last time. | ||
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EndlessRain
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Seriously it embarrasses me that I'm the same species as these people. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
60 cases even, counting all the racist provocateurs. There's more GROUPS cited in the report than people CONVICTED man, get real, they've got nothing, you got nothing, and it's all fluff, all scare tactics. It is a lie that it's a national threat. It would be fraud to make these kinds of reports and send it to police nationwide if it wasn't a federal agency doing it. Because it's the DHS, people (like you) bought it, still buy it, still make a fuss about it, and when it comes out that it's bunk, it's just a stinking footnote in the news. Transparency in government? I don't think so. You think the same people that try to scare you to hell are looking out for you? I've done my research, there is nothing to warrant this witch hunt to "right wingers". If anything, we should be hunting the criminals and liars in government, scrap the DHS for all I care, because their interest is NOT homeland security but to increase their power manyfold whenever they can. The feds almost always create the problem, stage a reaction, and bring in their solution. This is the truth of politics today. But be my guest and trust the DHS then... | ||
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Then why post the link? We already had that discussion before. Are you going to go back to pretending that bombing buildings, or buying explosives to do so isn't a violent crime? Are you going to go back to pretending that militia members don't get into any crimes and are outstanding people, so we should examine their likelihood to offend based strictly on the amount of people they shoot in militia related events? Are you, personally, going to go back to posting right wing blogs without actually reading the content of the information you're given? Well, I can't say much for the others, but the last seems pretty concretely in 'yes sir!' territory. | ||
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Tyraz
New Zealand310 Posts
On August 13 2009 09:04 Yurebis wrote: 20 Cases in 20 years is not enough L 60 cases even, counting all the racist provocateurs. There's more GROUPS cited in the report than people CONVICTED man, get real, they've got nothing, you got nothing, and it's all fluff, all scare tactics. It is a lie that it's a national threat. It would be fraud to make these kinds of reports and send it to police nationwide if it wasn't a federal agency doing it. Because it's the DHS, people (like you) bought it, still buy it, still make a fuss about it, and when it comes out that it's bunk, it's just a stinking footnote in the news. Transparency in government? I don't think so. You think the same people that try to scare you to hell are looking out for you? I've done my research, there is nothing to warrant this witch hunt to "right wingers". If anything, we should be hunting the criminals and liars in government, scrap the DHS for all I care, because their interest is NOT homeland security but to increase their power manyfold whenever they can. The feds almost always create the problem, stage a reaction, and bring in their solution. This is the truth of politics today. But be my guest and trust the DHS then... Ease up there my red-neck friend. We've got a recession here, no doubt about it. I wouldn't be so arrogant to assume that the US government 'staged' a world wide recession if i were you. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
I still think buying or making explosives is not a violent crime. The intent is only ever evidenced through FBI and ATF agents which have a bias to big government too. My opinion on militia members stays the same, they are outstanding militia members, but I didn't get back in this thread to discuss that with you again, I came back to say the DHS report is useless and you're going at me again for not giving them props for doing an afternoon job on analising national threats on GOOGLE. This is evidence on my side, not yours. The agents provocateurs, payed informants, and 60%+ (I don't even remember how many were there) dismissed federal indictions are evidence on my side, not yours. If you still trust the gangsters in charge I can't say much either man. What I can say is that I think the 1 million dead iraqis trumps all of the crazies casualities ez, even if you think they're all spontaneous and within the conservative ideology (no and no) | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On August 13 2009 09:43 Tyraz wrote: It's not just the economy anymore.Ease up there my red-neck friend. We've got a recession here, no doubt about it. I wouldn't be so arrogant to assume that the US government 'staged' a world wide recession if i were you. | ||
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Tyraz
New Zealand310 Posts
On August 13 2009 09:48 Yurebis wrote: It's not just the economy anymore. Ok. Ether you think the US government has total control over both the world's economy AND society, or you seriously don't understand the implications of what your suggesting. Ether way: no offence, but i have serious suspicions your a neo-con nut. Edit: Sarah Palin for President 2012!! | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
I'm not a republican, if anything I'm leaning nonarchist today, but that shouldn't be an issue. Look at the evidence and judge it for yourself of what these agencies are worth. | ||
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Yurebis
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The only difference between anarcho-capitalists and libertarians or classical liberals is that libertarians defend that government is a necessary evil, while anarchists want to phase out the government completely. At the moment, the causes are the same as both disagree with the size of government. Anarchists would be happy with having a small government over a big one too, and libertarians would welcome a stateless society but they just think it's too unfeasible. Thing is, both ideologies understand that the use of force for anything is bad, and government is a monopoly of force. Necessary or not, it should be kept an eye on all the time. "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" | ||
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Yurebis
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So no, if I could choose, I wouldn't choose the government to do anything for me, but taxes are mandatory, and some services are unavoidable if you want to live... virtually anywhere. Anywhere in the world you go but international waters you'll have a coercive group, government, claiming to own the law of the land and having the inherent right to monopolize courts, police force, the army, water, roads, etc. If they were good at it, certainly there would be no need to use force as people would peacefully accept their services and donate their taxes without the threat of arrest. This is all debatable of course and goes beyond the topic at hand which is the joke that DHS is. | ||
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Brazil3409 Posts
"Government can't be more efficient than anything in the free market" You dont want government because its incompetent at every level but you say theres no way not to have government. You offer no solution, just a rant. Did you wish bush was still in office ? | ||
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