BTW,

Speaking of Obama:
"All presidents fall from their honeymoon highs, but in the history of polling, no newly elected American president has fallen this far this fast."

--http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/opinion/01brooks.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&ref=opinion&adxnnlx=1252000979-6XK0XPnbw6gHE9p3uoiDVw

Also, my closed thread

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=100659
(the main point is that considering the 2 VERY different circumstances in which they were elected it really is incredible that Obama is less popular already than Bush was. It also sparks a debate about the causes)

Overall, some seriously bad news for Obama. He needs to redirect his presidency, stop letting Nancy Pelosi do all the leading and start leading himself as a moderate like he campaigned.

EDIT:
Some other bad news from Gallup polling:
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/122693/Democratic-Advantage-Party-Affiliation-Shrinks.aspx

EDIT2: What the heck, here are some more recent polls:
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Fifty-one percent (51%) of voters nationwide believe that Congress is too liberal while 22% hold the opposite view and say it is too conservative.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/51_say_congress_is_too_liberal_22_say_it_s_too_conservative

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 43% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 36% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent.

That represents the lowest level of support for Democrats in recent years, while Republicans have tied their highest level of support for the third straight week.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

D10

Brazil3409 Posts

September 03 2009 19:26 GMT

#502

WHAT ? you think he needs to get MORE MODERATE?!

HE BETRAYED ALL THAT IS PROGRESSIVE THATS WHY HES FAILING BIG TIME

HE LOOKS LIKE A BIG ASS PANSY, A WEAKLING THAT DELEGATES POWER TO ANY ASSHOLE WHO WANTS IT AND NOW EVERYTHING HE CAMPAIGNED FOR IS FALLING APART

FU OBAMA YOU LIER.

Aegraen

United States1225 Posts

September 03 2009 19:33 GMT

#503

I laugh anytime people think American politics is actually some two way dynamic between parties. Both parties are pretty much a mirror of each other with minor differences. Seriously, when has the Government even shrank? Oh yea, the GOP are really for limited Government....where is all the legislation to follow their principles? No where. Instead they act like Democrats. WAKE UP.

If we had McCain we would have had a huge gigantic new mortgage entitlement program and would be in Iran by now.

Do any GOP actually push for Fair tax besides a handful? Do any GOP follow the Constitution to its core? A handful. When was the last time the GOP actually tried to reduce the size of Government? Axing any Departments? Reducing GDP spending?

Foreign policy the parties are the exact same. Both interventionist.

Anyways, continue to play partisan politics, I'll sit here and campaign for true limited Government candidates while you vote for one party America. I won't bother to respond to any posts in regards to mine, because the admins don't want me to get into arguements with other forumers.

I'm just urging everyone to actually look at the legislation from both parties when in power....you can just as easily swap and it would look the same, albeit one party goes much faster than the other, they both are heading in the same direction.

Savio

United States1850 Posts

September 04 2009 00:34 GMT

#504

Actually, I agree with Aegraen for the most part. However, being that that is true, there are then 2 options:

1. Vote for the more conservative candidate even if he is still quite liberal but who has a decent chance of winning and therefore the opportunity to affect policy.
2. Vote for some nobody who is has no chance of winning but who is a "true believer"

The 2nd is quite tempting and I may take that route someday, but for now I have chosen to vote for the party that at least has as a significant part of its constituency a group that wants smaller government and at least talks about it and brings it up (and actually has elected officials).

It appears Aegraen, that many people feel the same way:

"Seventy-four percent (74%) of Republican voters say their party’s representatives in Congress have lost touch with GOP voters nationwide over the past several years. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 18% of GOP voters believe their elected officials have done a good job representing the base.

Most Republican voters (55%) say that the average Republican in Congress is more liberal than the average Republican voter. "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/republican_voters_say_gop_reps_in_congress_still_out_of_touch

EDIT: I also believe that this liberal behavior especially during the Bush years in part is responsible for the GOP losing control of government. And the fact is they deserved it.

Aegraen

United States1225 Posts

September 04 2009 13:54 GMT

#505

On September 04 2009 09:34 Savio wrote:
Actually, I agree with Aegraen for the most part. However, being that that is true, there are then 2 options:

1. Vote for the more conservative candidate even if he is still quite liberal but who has a decent chance of winning and therefore the opportunity to affect policy.
2. Vote for some nobody who is has no chance of winning but who is a "true believer"

The 2nd is quite tempting and I may take that route someday, but for now I have chosen to vote for the party that at least has as a significant part of its constituency a group that wants smaller government and at least talks about it and brings it up (and actually has elected officials).

It appears Aegraen, that many people feel the same way:

"Seventy-four percent (74%) of Republican voters say their party’s representatives in Congress have lost touch with GOP voters nationwide over the past several years. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 18% of GOP voters believe their elected officials have done a good job representing the base.

Most Republican voters (55%) say that the average Republican in Congress is more liberal than the average Republican voter. "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/republican_voters_say_gop_reps_in_congress_still_out_of_touch

EDIT: I also believe that this liberal behavior especially during the Bush years in part is responsible for the GOP losing control of government. And the fact is they deserved it.

Who cares if they get elected when all they are doing is the exact opposite of their rhetoric? You're essentially voting for the McCains and Grahams of the world who you can easily put a D infront of their name and they would fit right in. Vote on your values not on the denomination.

I've voted for Constitutionalists, Libertarians, etc. even when I knew they had little chance. If more people voted their values these candidates would have a much greater chance of winning. People are surely, but slowly waking up at least at the grassroots level. I can't wait for 2010 and 2012. This type of outcry and outrage hasn't been seen since the Civil Rights movement. Back in the 70's Libertarianism had a huge upswing and was growing rapidly, until Reagan came in, but now that the actions and rhetoric aren't correlative, we can again have a massive upswing and just in my little apartment complex in Wisconsin there are 3 Ron Paul stickers. Don't vote for the lesser of two evils that hasn't worked, now has it?

Values!