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Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
March 27 2009 16:15 GMT
#181
On March 27 2009 21:45 BottleAbuser wrote:
Durak! You played Betrayal At Krondor also. I loved that

terr13's riddle is awesome btw. I like the solution.


I also have Betrayal in Antara. Very fun games.
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-27 18:51:55
March 27 2009 18:47 GMT
#182
On March 27 2009 22:02 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2009 17:02 Reason wrote:
On March 17 2009 10:46 terr13 wrote:
There are 100 prisoners in solitary cells. There's a central living room with one light bulb; this bulb is initially off. No prisoner can see the light bulb from his or her own cell. Everyday, the warden picks a prisoner equally at random, and that prisoner visits the living room. While there, the prisoner can toggle the bulb if he or she wishes. Also, the prisoner has the option of asserting that all 100 prisoners have been to the living room by now. If this assertion is false, all 100 prisoners are shot. However, if it is indeed true, all prisoners are set free and inducted into MENSA, since the world could always use more smart people. Thus, the assertion should only be made if the prisoner is 100% certain of its validity. The prisoners are allowed to get together one night in the courtyard, to discuss a plan. What plan should they agree on, so that eventually, someone will make a correct assertion?


somebody please tell me the point/reason/wtfdoesitmean "equally at random" ???
On March 27 2009 17:18 terr13 wrote:
Equally at random means that every day, the chance for any individual to enter the room is 1/100, meaning that they are independent of each other.

As opposed to just "at random" which means.... exactly the same thing? :S

English is a language where people put a lot of unnecessary words. Deal with it.

It could mean that every prisoner, including ones that have already gone, would be equally up for choosing. Equally kind of prevents dumbasses from asking that question ("can people go twice lawl?").

I'm sorry I deleted most of my post but seriously? "Deal with it"? Is that the best you can say...
Look at the entire riddle there not one single word in there I could replace/remove other than "equally at random" its a very well written riddle.
I was wondering if the solution was just wait 100 days and on the 100th day the guy says "All of us have been here" and they all get out free... so the lightbulb is just put there to confuse you and it's actually pretty simple... there are 100 prisoners.. 1 picked per day, on the 99th day 99 have been picked so the next day, whoever gets picked knows he is the last guy...
So I'm not picking at it for the sake of picking at it, I have nothing to "get over" I was geniunely trying to solve the riddle...
"A prisoner chosen at random" would mean precisely what you are saying "equally at random" means...
Also explain the question "can people go twice lawl"... you make it sound dumb but.. obviously people CAN go twice and WILL go twice if not many times more unless my absurdly simple solution is correct.. so I really don't see what you are on about
I was wondering/hoping if equally at random means people are chosen at random, but once you are chosen you will not be chosen again until everyone else is chosen, thus "equally" at random, no one person is picked "randomly" more often than another...see?
Not so hard to see why I might have thought that.. and it's pretty funny solution if it's right.
So? Any thoughts/suggestions? Other than "deal with it" and some shitty example that doesn't even make sense-_-
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-27 19:31:49
March 27 2009 19:30 GMT
#183
On March 28 2009 03:47 Reason wrote:
I was wondering/hoping if equally at random means people are chosen at random, but once you are chosen you will not be chosen again until everyone else is chosen, thus "equally" at random, no one person is picked "randomly" more often than another...see?
Not so hard to see why I might have thought that.. and it's pretty funny solution if it's right.
So? Any thoughts/suggestions? Other than "deal with it" and some shitty example that doesn't even make sense-_-


i guess it's interpreters like you who are the reason for "equally at random" as opposed to just "random". the point of equally is to cement it in your head that everyone has a 1/100 chance: an equal chance. hence, people can and will go more than once. once one person goes, if they can't go again, all others have a 1/99 chance to be picked and theirs is 0, not exactly equal is it?
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-27 19:51:16
March 27 2009 19:48 GMT
#184
Hmm I guess not... not sure where you are going with the "interpreters like you who are the reason"
if that wording wasn't there I wouldn't have been trying to interpret anything, it would have been clear. Thanks for explaining it though, if your tone was a bit irritating.

Edit: At random means just that, everybody has an equal chance of being picked no matter how many times they have been picked. Random isn't exactly an uncommon word. This is the meaning of the word. There's no reason to "cement" anything, if the person reading this doesn't understand the word "random" they aren't very well going to solve the riddle now are they?
I understand random but have never in my life seen "equally at random" so I wanted to know what it meant, and if it was in any way different.
Sorry for not being God.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
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