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tdotkrayz
United States136 Posts
http://tetraspace.alkaline.org/ Of particular interest was when the guy talked about how war would operate in the 2nd and 4th dimensions: http://tetraspace.alkaline.org/page7.htm Or when he talks about what a 4th dimension life form could do to us: Makes me wonder if God is a 4th dimensional being... | ||
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Whyzguy
Canada263 Posts
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Person514cs
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
A way of thinking about 'good' or 'bad' is that there are two fundamentally different paths to the same thing (interestingly Star wars with their Jedi and Sith is based around this) the two paths are self to self, and self to others, and at the lower levels of existence including the 4th dimension these are in a state of perpetual flux and conflict. We cannot by definition perceive what 4th dimensional existence is like (let alone the 11th etc) one way of comprehending this is to consider that science actually tells us that time does not exist on any dimension 'above' (although within is more accurate) our own. Existence with no time is beyond our comprehension. | ||
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pSikh0
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Culture
Canada488 Posts
On January 31 2009 15:11 Choros wrote: Yes well god is not a 4th dimensional being, it is more accurate to say that angels are 4th dimensional beings. In fact we have come to realize that there are around 12 dimensions that exist, and of course this creates scientific backing to whatever theology you want to throw at it be that Buddhism or Christianity etc. It would appear that 4th dimensional beings are not that much more mature than we are and do engage in conflict with one another. What? I don't understand, angels? God(s)? 4th dimensional beings engaging in conflict? Are you engaging in wishful thinking or something? As far as I know, dimensions past 4 in string theory are thought to be under plank's length in size and thought to be undetectable. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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Ichigo1234551
United States649 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
There was some string theory video posted from youtube long time ago, illustrating multiple dimensions (like 11 or something) | ||
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Ichigo1234551
United States649 Posts
I love how religious people are trying to make science ideas support their religion... also Allah is the only god! there is no other | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
http://timecube.com/ | ||
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Ichigo1234551
United States649 Posts
wow i completely agree with that guy. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On January 31 2009 14:13 tdotkrayz wrote: Makes me wonder if God is a 4th dimensional being... Damn. If only you wouldn't have written this; this thread could have become something great. But now that you did, I guess I have no choice: Of course she isn't; because she doesn't exist beyond our minds. | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
On January 31 2009 17:44 Ichigo1234551 wrote: wow i completely agree with that guy. how far did you read? who do you agree with shadowdrgn or the time cube author oray612959? | ||
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
On January 31 2009 16:35 Culture wrote: What? I don't understand, angels? God(s)? 4th dimensional beings engaging in conflict? Are you engaging in wishful thinking or something? As far as I know, dimensions past 4 in string theory are thought to be under plank's length in size and thought to be undetectable. Well talking about angels and god is simply acting under the assumption that Christianity is true. The point I was making is simply that there are levels immediately 'above' us that are not that different from our own so you could refer to them as angels as opposed to dimensions far above them which would be 'god' I do not wish to suggest that I know that these things are true in any case simply thinking about potential possibilities and more simple ways for us to perceive it. This notion of 'size' however I dont think is significant because physical properties as we would define them become completely irrelevant they no longer exist. That these levels of reality are real would appear to be fact but ultimately what they involve is speculation. It is my belief however that the recent ideas out of science has opened up avenues for spiritual thought. | ||
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
On January 31 2009 17:31 Ichigo1234551 wrote: WHAT DOES GOD HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH EXTRA DIMENSION??? I love how religious people are trying to make science ideas support their religion... also Allah is the only god! there is no other I largely addressed this in my previous post but the point I will make is that religions could use science to support their theology however they do not because they are unwilling to accept these scientific ideas or even consider adapting their ideology. This does create what you could call a new religion (which is not a religion but a way of thinking about the world, religions are inherently restrictive on progressive thought) 'Scientific spiritualism' a blend of what science has said is true and thinking about what spiritual implications that has. Implications which are by some argument profound. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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Culture
Canada488 Posts
On January 31 2009 18:07 Choros wrote: Well talking about angels and god is simply acting under the assumption that Christianity is true. The point I was making is simply that there are levels immediately 'above' us that are not that different from our own so you could refer to them as angels as opposed to dimensions far above them which would be 'god' I do not wish to suggest that I know that these things are true in any case simply thinking about potential possibilities and more simple ways for us to perceive it. This notion of 'size' however I dont think is significant because physical properties as we would define them become completely irrelevant they no longer exist. That these levels of reality are real would appear to be fact but ultimately what they involve is speculation. It is my belief however that the recent ideas out of science has opened up avenues for spiritual thought. It is distasteful to start with the assumption that something is true and look for evidence that supports your (preselected) conclusion, discard evidence that doesn't, and adapt and fiddle with evidence to make it fit. This is called confirmation bias. An example of making evidence fit is such: Suppose I had a theory that there was a conspiracy in the world about me, anytime people would dismiss my claims would appear to be evidence that they were in on the conspiracy. However, scientific understanding does not start out with dogmatic assumptions but rather tries to find models that fit the data we have. Usually, since there are in the simplest of terms 'numbers' involved, we can be create tests to check the validity of theories -- ie anyone with a stopwatch and measuring tape can check the validity of the theory of gravity. Alas, no mathematical models exist in the religious inspired pseudo-pseudo-science. Also, the lack of any kind of peer review does not help with reliability. Now, I think you do raise an interesting point -- that concepts of n-dimensional space are so difficult to imagine visually. To construct models of them to interact with in our brain is also extremely difficult -- whereas we can imagine a triangle or a cube in 2d 'in our mind's eye', we can not easily do so to larger vector spaces. Hence, the most trained response to explain this is to go to concepts of 'god'. This is simply because we as humans are, as Dawkins gracefully put it, middle worlders, capable of perceiving only a tiny fraction of input in terms of size, spectrum, length of time that lies somewhere in the middle of the possibilities the universe has to offer. Just as we can not easily imagine subatomic particles, quantum 'strangeness' or even relatively larger molecules, just as we can not imagine the vast scale of our solar system, or local cluster where the sun would be but one tiny grain of sand in a vast void, or our galaxy, or the galaxies we know to exist through visual and other spectrum observation and inference, just as we can not fathom to understand timescales beyond our immediate experience -- from the almost infinitely small time it takes light to travel planck's length,~ 5.4 x 10 ^ -44 s, to the approximate age of the universe, 13.7 billion years, just as we can not see in infrared or xray, similarly we can not imagine n-dimensional space above 3. It's a trained response to call that which you do not understand 'god'. Too bad the concept has been taken over by most to mean something completely different. | ||
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