EPTSo here it is:
Poll: Did you watch the video?
(Vote): Yes, I was curious.
(Vote): No way, That's too sick.
Also, don't flame anyone for their decision, but please answer honestly.
Watching part of it counts as "watched it".
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
So here it is: Poll: Did you watch the video? (Vote): Yes, I was curious. (Vote): No way, That's too sick. Also, don't flame anyone for their decision, but please answer honestly. Watching part of it counts as "watched it". | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
On December 23 2008 07:55 HamerD wrote: What makes you think that all people on death row live in misery? And you haven't answered his point that most people desperately don't want to die. I said that living is better than dying, if death row inmates got tivo and ps3 its fucking irrelevant to my point. | ||
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polarwolf
924 Posts
holy fucking shit, i've seen countless beheading vids from afghanistan, iraq, africa and nepal, but this tops it all. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
This is just bullshit when considered in the case of these people. To my mind there is just no way to look at the case and say these people deserve any human rights whatsoever. You have to shield yourself from the brutality in order to compose yourself, and then try to put across these psuedo-humanist anti execution points. After watching the video they made, I just can't imagine them deserving human rights. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
which, i might add, is a good thing. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
And clearly the worst thing in that video was the victim's moaning, and the laughing of the murderers. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
On December 23 2008 08:12 HamerD wrote: Most people argue against the death penalty because they have in their head the idea of a poor, illiterate, itinerant farm worker who was framed for the murder of the governor's wife and has no legal council to defend himself; or at least in some capacity the concept of someone who doesn't deserve the penalty having it, irreversibly and inhumanely, placed on them. This is just bullshit when considered in the case of these people. To my mind there is just no way to look at the case and say these people deserve any human rights whatsoever. You have to shield yourself from the brutality in order to compose yourself, and then try to put across these psuedo-humanist anti execution points. After watching the video they made, I just can't imagine them deserving human rights. And my point is, whether they killed the neighbours cows or 29 people, theres nothing to gain from killing them, what you think the zodiacal balance in the universe will collapse if bad people arent dead? Do you really think it helps someone that another guy who isnt going to do anything to society for the rest of his life dies? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 23 2008 08:20 Cloud wrote: And my point is, whether they killed the neighbours cows or 29 people, theres nothing to gain from killing them, what you think the zodiacal balance in the universe will collapse if bad people arent dead? Do you really think it helps someone that another guy who isnt going to do anything to society for the rest of his life dies? But by that logic nothing happens/changes when you imprison them forever. I guess we should just do nothing? Nihilism ftw? Fortunately we don't exist in a world where policy makers are as short sighted as you are. Putting them to death is an attempt to create a detterent. If people think killing for fun could lead to them being killed themselves then maybe they will think twice about it. That is the hope anyway. The actions of those caught affirm that fear.. they do everything they can to not be killed by the state IE legal disputes or even suicide. It is THAT compelling. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On December 23 2008 08:12 HamerD wrote: Most people argue against the death penalty because they have in their head the idea of a poor, illiterate, itinerant farm worker who was framed for the murder of the governor's wife and has no legal council to defend himself; or at least in some capacity the concept of someone who doesn't deserve the penalty having it, irreversibly and inhumanely, placed on them. Where do you even come up with this bullshit. Yes, being against the death penalty is so irrational that whoever is for it MUST be an uninformed idiot right? | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On December 23 2008 08:20 Cloud wrote: And my point is, whether they killed the neighbours cows or 29 people, theres nothing to gain from killing them, what you think the zodiacal balance in the universe will collapse if bad people arent dead? Do you really think it helps someone that another guy who isnt going to do anything to society for the rest of his life dies? My point is that, after considering that they are not human, they have no human rights; that human society should dispose of them the way we do any aggressive disrupting influence, like a wild bear in the town centre or a plague of locusts; get rid of it in the cheapest way possible. I might settle for Physician's idea: if they were each left in a small cell, with one light, with nothing but some sort of menial task like making t-shirts paying for their 2 small meals a day (with the surplus going to families of the victims); they were afforded no time outside the cell, no contact with any other human, and if they became sick they were given no treatment. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On December 23 2008 08:28 Frits wrote: Where do you even come up with this bullshit. Yes, being against the death penalty is so irrational that whoever is for it MUST be an uninformed idiot right? No Frits, definitely not. You get me wrong. All I'm saying is that in extreme EXTREME cases like this, there can't be any parallels drawn. You cannot lump these...creatures in with most other murderers or EVEN serial killers. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
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Cloud
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
On December 23 2008 08:28 HamerD wrote: My point is that, after considering that they are not human, they have no human rights; that human society should dispose of them the way we do any aggressive disrupting influence, like a wild bear in the town centre or a plague of locusts; get rid of it in the cheapest way possible. I might settle for Physician's idea: if they were each left in a small cell, with one light, with nothing but some sort of menial task like making t-shirts paying for their 2 small meals a day (with the surplus going to families of the victims); they were afforded no time outside the cell, no contact with any other human, and if they became sick they were given no treatment. Getting rid in the cheapest possible way? what the hell? when was the last time that a big zoo animal like an elephant or a bear gets killed before having a whole squadron of veterinarians with tranqs and transport to take it back to the zoo? | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On December 23 2008 08:30 HamerD wrote: No Frits, definitely not. You get me wrong. All I'm saying is that in extreme EXTREME cases like this, there can't be any parallels drawn. You cannot lump these...creatures in with most other murderers or EVEN serial killers. Yes and you are accusing people like me of drawing these parallels. Which is nonsense. Death penalty should be outlawed out of principle, severity of crime is irrelevant to me. Don't try to accuse me of something you don't even understand. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On December 23 2008 08:35 Frits wrote: Yes and you are accusing people like me of drawing these parallels. Which is nonsense. Death penalty should be outlawed out of principle, severity of crime is irrelevant to me. Don't try to accuse me of something you don't even understand. Principles are for idealists, not realists. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On December 23 2008 08:33 Cloud wrote: Getting rid in the cheapest possible way? what the hell? when was the last time that a big zoo animal like an elephant or a bear gets killed before having a whole squadron of veterinarians with tranqs and transport to take it back to the zoo? Fine then. A plague of locusts. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 23 2008 08:31 Cloud wrote: Life sentence is not a big a detterrent as capital punishment? It has anyway been proved that the threat of capital punishment does not reduce crime. And yeah, nothing bad can happen when you imprison them forever, I dont see how that translates into doing nothing, nor do i see how does that support killing them. I too have followed/read the same studies and (they have problems, biased funding, specific intent etc) aside from those I say actions speak louder than words! Again, we go back to my crux argument: People fight with everything they absolutely have to _get_ life in prison, not the other way around. If people favor one over the other so much I would contend that it becomes a greater detterent when you remove the option! It is self evident but I thought some logical explaining was needed here. | ||
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Lefnui
United States753 Posts
On December 23 2008 06:44 MYM.Testie wrote: Too much talk. Burn them one by one, alone on a fire and forget them. The same fire so that they may stand atop their friends corpse and then burn. Do not let their last moments on earth be remotely peaceful or anything but pain. It is times like this where I would wish for religion to be true and for hell to exist. It's that type of thinking which lead to this. It's comical that you would seek to punish sadism with sadism. Let's torture people to death in order to teach that torturing people to death is wrong? That's logical. On December 23 2008 06:33 Cloud wrote: Wow is it just me or did you just say "no it doesnt cost more but YES, it DOES COST MORE" You look ridiculous carrying on this argument. Execution costs far less than life imprisonment, that is a well known fact. Proponents of capital punishment give the exact opposite of your argument, that their means is less costly. This is all irrelevant of course, the matter should be judged by whether it is right or wrong, not through economic standards. But I can't believe you're making such a basic mistake. A child could understand why your statement that "It costs more to kill a person than to keep him in jail for the rest of his life" is false. On December 23 2008 07:55 Djabanete wrote: I didn't want to derail with death penalty discussion, but that seems to be a lost cause, so here's a video of Jeremy Irons on the death penalty. Jeremy Irons rocks. Thanks for providing that. I think he is completely right. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 23 2008 08:33 Cloud wrote: Getting rid in the cheapest possible way? what the hell? when was the last time that a big zoo animal like an elephant or a bear gets killed before having a whole squadron of veterinarians with tranqs and transport to take it back to the zoo? Actually not too long ago there was a thread on this forum about a polar bear that was shot dead the second it touched land after a (iirc) 25mile swim. Pretty awesome  I may misunderstand your post but actually big animals are killed all the time. USA has several states that fund companies with money and all they basically do is "maintain" animal population control by flying around in copters and blowing their faces off. | ||
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