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thedeadhaji
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http://journal.mycom.co.jp/news/2008/12/18/037/ some link to rumor news back in July http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/07/22/fox-developing-cowboy-bebop-live-action-feature-film/ You know, I was able to laugh off DB movie being a complete sham even though I think the original is great and is undenyably a large part of my childhood. But if this becomes a joke I am probably going to be really, really sad. | ||
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Xusneb
Canada612 Posts
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Sky
Jordan812 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
 There's no way Keanu can come close to top top top class acting of yamdera. | ||
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
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village_idiot
2436 Posts
Good thing they're never going to ruin Legend of the Galactic Heroes. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
The music, the environment, the characters, the story [ the last 2 episodes omg ] its just all seemingly impossible to translate into a real-life story. This is by far my favorite anime. But on a side note, I have no idea why people bandwagon on the ' Keanu Reeves is a bad actor ' train. He's really not that bad of an actor. I mean sure he won't fit the role of Spike and he plays similar stoic roles in a span of movies but that doesn't mean he's a bad actor. Are you gonna say Morgan Freeman is bland because he plays the token black old guy? Or Michael Caine? Keanu is the protagonist in the Matrix. The fucking matrix, remember that. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On December 19 2008 01:12 Ack1027 wrote: Yeah.....Idk how things like this happen, but why ruin a classic. I mean isn't watanabe's style to leave stories once they are finished? Besides he was so adamant about being ' done ' with the bebop universe its weird that he's going along with this. [ I would assume hollywood needs the rights from him ] The music, the environment, the characters, the story [ the last 2 episodes omg ] its just all seemingly impossible to translate into a real-life story. This is by far my favorite anime. But on a side note, I have no idea why people bandwagon on the ' Keanu Reeves is a bad actor ' train. He's really not that bad of an actor. I mean sure he won't fit the role of Spike and he plays similar stoic roles in a span of movies but that doesn't mean he's a bad actor. Are you gonna say Morgan Freeman is bland because he plays the token black old guy? Or Michael Caine? Keanu is the protagonist in the Matrix. The fucking matrix, remember that. too bad will smith turned it down | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19135 Posts
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StarN
United States2587 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/billandted460.jpg) He isn't THAT bad  | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On December 19 2008 00:18 SkY wrote: Spike is too compulsive and suave for Keanu. My thoughts exactly. Who's gonna play Faye? | ||
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dronebabo
10866 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
fuck man. | ||
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New Zealand6138 Posts
On December 19 2008 01:43 dronebabo wrote: terrible | ||
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PePe QuiCoSE
Argentina1204 Posts
On December 19 2008 01:12 Ack1027 wrote: No, the thing is that he'll sell the same profile he sold for other movies thus making a different character than the original portrayed. It's not that he is a bad actor, is that he merchandise a different type of actor than the movie requires (if that sentence makes sense in english :-/ ).But on a side note, I have no idea why people bandwagon on the ' Keanu Reeves is a bad actor ' train. He's really not that bad of an actor. I mean sure he won't fit the role of Spike and he plays similar stoic roles in a span of movies but that doesn't mean he's a bad actor. Are you gonna say Morgan Freeman is bland because he plays the token black old guy? Or Michael Caine? Keanu is the protagonist in the Matrix. The fucking matrix, remember that. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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homeless_guy
United States321 Posts
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Lord_of_Chaos
Sweden372 Posts
the closest I've seen to that anime from acting is firefly.. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
He can't act. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
I also don't think keanu reaves would be good for this role. Who do you think would be better? Just to start some discussion. Maybe we can get it changed! I am drawing blanks so far. I can't really think of many actors with spikes demeanor. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=BGTcA8gWVuE&feature=related 7:25 thx | ||
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
brad pitt orlando bloom johnny depp with a twist: hugh grant with a twist of blackness: will smith of course christian bale would be awesome at it. if you look at his character in american psycho i think its a lot similar to spike, sans some of the mental shit. | ||
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
godddd fuck this movie.....LEAVE BEBOP ALONE | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2297 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On December 19 2008 03:26 esla_sol wrote: who could do it better: brad pitt orlando bloom johnny depp with a twist: hugh grant with a twist of blackness: will smith of course christian bale would be awesome at it. if you look at his character in american psycho i think its a lot similar to spike, sans some of the mental shit. I think brad pitt maybe. He doesn't have the build like Spike, but his character persona could match up nicely. Hell fucking no to christian Bale. He is incredibly monotone and lacks the humor and character of spike spiegel. Orlando bloom has a dumb accent. Johnny Depp? maybe. | ||
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Ginseng
United States268 Posts
On December 19 2008 02:32 homeless_guy wrote: the anime cannot be improved. make more anime nor leave it be. those are the only two viable options. Honestly if they extended on the anime, that would be a terrible idea, especially after all these years. | ||
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CommanderFluffy
Taiwan1059 Posts
Hollywood should just leave this anime alone and go ruin something else. Like dragonball. wait | ||
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p4ge
Canada160 Posts
meh i still like keanu though, he's not as bad as people say though, one thing he has going for him is he has a high understanding of technical camera acting, which not all actors possess. | ||
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brambolius
Netherlands448 Posts
On December 19 2008 02:15 mahnini wrote: barf ![[image loading]](http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Spaceballs-BH-01.jpg) sup | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
On December 19 2008 01:12 Ack1027 wrote: Yeah.....Idk how things like this happen, but why ruin a classic. I mean isn't watanabe's style to leave stories once they are finished? Besides he was so adamant about being ' done ' with the bebop universe its weird that he's going along with this. [ I would assume hollywood needs the rights from him ] The music, the environment, the characters, the story [ the last 2 episodes omg ] its just all seemingly impossible to translate into a real-life story. This is by far my favorite anime. But on a side note, I have no idea why people bandwagon on the ' Keanu Reeves is a bad actor ' train. He's really not that bad of an actor. I mean sure he won't fit the role of Spike and he plays similar stoic roles in a span of movies but that doesn't mean he's a bad actor. Are you gonna say Morgan Freeman is bland because he plays the token black old guy? Or Michael Caine? Keanu is the protagonist in the Matrix. The fucking matrix, remember that. reeves is a really bad actor. he makes his living on being completely oblivious to everything in the film - nuance, metaphor, etc. but he's at least predictable. good directors know this, and actively exploit his empty vessel style of acting. it's very...post modern. by the way this is the WORST FUCKING NEWS OF ALL TIME. | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
ugghhh | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
edward norton should just be in every movie ever | ||
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iori_LT
Lithuania675 Posts
On December 19 2008 03:19 mahnini wrote: they couldve at least gotten someone who knew some type of martial art, cause y'know, there is bound to be some hand to hand combat scene and those were really the best in bebop. http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=BGTcA8gWVuE&feature=related 7:25 thx gosh guys how can u watch such an amazing anime with this retarded american voicing actors... seriously u loose like half of the charm these series have | ||
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ilistis
United States828 Posts
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Phantom
Canada2151 Posts
On December 19 2008 03:19 mahnini wrote: they couldve at least gotten someone who knew some type of martial art, cause y'know, there is bound to be some hand to hand combat scene and those were really the best in bebop. didn't keanu train for the matrix movies? | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On December 19 2008 04:43 iori_LT wrote: gosh guys how can u watch such an amazing anime with this retarded american voicing actors... seriously u loose like half of the charm these series have I watched it in both Japanese with subs and English; I actually think the English voice actors did a better job overall. Faye sounds like a school girl in the Japanese version; The english voice actress seems to give a more mature vibe. Oh, and the guy who voices Spike is one the best English voice actors around; I can't remember his name right now; but he's in quite a few english dubs. Also, Keanu is fine to work with Kong-Fu; he was in the Matrix after all, and those fight scenes were quite nice looking. I'm actually optimistic about this production; I can't really say its going to be epic fail like dragoonball is destined to be quite yet. We'll see in time. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
And I didnt think those voice actings were so good, you probably just got used to it. For instance, when I was a kid I watched a ton of dubbed animes, and when I watch them original nowdays it sounds really weird. Same with cowboy bebop, I have only watched the original, so in english it sounds soooo weird. | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On December 19 2008 03:26 esla_sol wrote: who could do it better: brad pitt orlando bloom johnny depp with a twist: hugh grant with a twist of blackness: will smith of course christian bale would be awesome at it. if you look at his character in american psycho i think its a lot similar to spike, sans some of the mental shit. wtf? none of those guys.. There are just some anime characters that can't be depicted in real-life and spike is one of them. Usually I like to reserve judgment on movies until I've watched the movie but there is no way they can pull off a live-action Cowboy Bebop. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On December 19 2008 05:39 EpiK wrote: wtf? none of those guys.. There are just some anime characters that can't be depicted in real-life and spike is one of them. Nan, Brad Pitt and Johnny depp could be great. edit: i just imagined depp doing the cigarrete swallowing scene and it was great. | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
On December 19 2008 05:38 D10 wrote: I cant watch dubbed stuff, always original language to me. And I didnt think those voice actings were so good, you probably just got used to it. For instance, when I was a kid I watched a ton of dubbed animes, and when I watch them original nowdays it sounds really weird. Same with cowboy bebop, I have only watched the original, so in english it sounds soooo weird. nonsense! one of the few (maybe only) instances where i would say that the dub is on par if not better than the original. | ||
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Spike
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On December 19 2008 05:51 Spike wrote: nonsense! one of the few (maybe only) instances where i would say that the dub is on par if not better than the original. The Full Metal Alchemist dub is another one I'd consider better than the original Japanese. | ||
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
No dubs come close to subs. Give me a sample. I've never heard one where i'm like, "wow this is really good and captures the same feel and tone." It's always, "WHY DO ENGLISH VOICE ACTORS SUCK." It's like they all think they are too cool to do the job they are doing and you can hear it thus they suck at it. | ||
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
On December 19 2008 01:12 Ack1027 wrote: Yeah.....Idk how things like this happen, but why ruin a classic. I mean isn't watanabe's style to leave stories once they are finished? Besides he was so adamant about being ' done ' with the bebop universe its weird that he's going along with this. [ I would assume hollywood needs the rights from him ] The music, the environment, the characters, the story [ the last 2 episodes omg ] its just all seemingly impossible to translate into a real-life story. This is by far my favorite anime. But on a side note, I have no idea why people bandwagon on the ' Keanu Reeves is a bad actor ' train. He's really not that bad of an actor. I mean sure he won't fit the role of Spike and he plays similar stoic roles in a span of movies but that doesn't mean he's a bad actor. Are you gonna say Morgan Freeman is bland because he plays the token black old guy? Or Michael Caine? Keanu is the protagonist in the Matrix. The fucking matrix, remember that. Morgan Freeman doesnt just play the token black guy what the fuck! Michael Caine isnt a one role actor either. You just took two of the best actors of all time and put them in the same boat as a shitty ass role actor. Sure Keanu does a good job of being quite and shooting a gun but for the love of God please dont put him in the same group as people like that, its shameful. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
![[image loading]](http://journal.mycom.co.jp/news/2008/12/18/037/images/007.jpg) ROFL | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On December 19 2008 06:04 MYM.Testie wrote: Wat? No dubs come close to subs. Give me a sample. I've never heard one where i'm like, "wow this is really good and captures the same feel and tone." It's always, "WHY DO ENGLISH VOICE ACTORS SUCK." It's like they all think they are too cool to do the job they are doing and you can hear it thus they suck at it. I think it depends a lot of on the show you watch. I personally think that the American voice actors in Cowboy bebop create a more Western feel to the show that reminds me of the good ole' wild west. Again, I watched the sub before the dub; I wouldn't have watched the dub unless it was really that good. Of course, there are other cases where I can't stand the English; I can't watch the Trigun dub; it's just terrible. The original voice actor for Vash does a much better job acting crazy; it's like the English voice actor can't even keep up. Trust me though; FMA and Cowboy Bebop go above and beyond; something that's rare in most animes. Also, the dub for Golden Boy is just plain hilarious. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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traced
1739 Posts
also consider that subs lose nuance in translation, just like dubs also consider the bebop is an ode to america's contribution to culture (the west, jazz, science fiction), even though the japanese voice acting may be better, it's actually a limitation of the series. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.firstshowing.net/img/faye-valentine-costume-vert.jpg) im faye valentine! -kk no tnx- | ||
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Quint
467 Posts
Concerning the movie: If they focus on the darker aspects of the series, throw in fast jazz, dog fights in space, martial arts and cool sword/gun scenes it could work out. Since the original storyline with Spike and Vicious is only a few episodes long, they actually could show it in 2,5h. If Spike and Vicious can be displayed somewhat authentic, it could work out. At least I hope so. | ||
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Chuiu
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Fwmeh
1286 Posts
On December 19 2008 05:31 Athos wrote: I watched it in both Japanese with subs and English; I actually think the English voice actors did a better job overall. Faye sounds like a school girl in the Japanese version; The english voice actress seems to give a more mature vibe. Oh, and the guy who voices Spike is one the best English voice actors around; I can't remember his name right now; but he's in quite a few english dubs. Also, Keanu is fine to work with Kong-Fu; he was in the Matrix after all, and those fight scenes were quite nice looking. I'm actually optimistic about this production; I can't really say its going to be epic fail like dragoonball is destined to be quite yet. We'll see in time. While Im not the greatest fan of Cowboy Bebop, you just uttered the greatest heresy possible. Hayashibara Megumi is the greatest Seiyuu of all time, period. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On December 19 2008 06:06 SpiralArchitect wrote: Morgan Freeman doesnt just play the token black guy what the fuck! Michael Caine isnt a one role actor either. You just took two of the best actors of all time and put them in the same boat as a shitty ass role actor. Sure Keanu does a good job of being quite and shooting a gun but for the love of God please dont put him in the same group as people like that, its shameful. Calm down. I'm not comparing them. I never said nor implied they were in the same group. Freeman is arguably one of the best actors of our generation, but look at recent movies: shawshank, bucket list, Evan almighty, Wanted.....Those aren't all similar roles but he plays some sort of old/wise/leader/black or combination. My POINT which was the entire reasoning of why I even posted that was because its dumb to think it makes someone any less of a ' good actor ' because they play a role over and over. | ||
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MuShu
United States3223 Posts
On December 19 2008 06:04 MYM.Testie wrote: Wat? No dubs come close to subs. Give me a sample. I've never heard one where i'm like, "wow this is really good and captures the same feel and tone." It's always, "WHY DO ENGLISH VOICE ACTORS SUCK." It's like they all think they are too cool to do the job they are doing and you can hear it thus they suck at it. I think they capture it pretty well in Iron Chef. | ||
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
Ill say this again, Morgan Freeman does not play the token black man by any fucking respects. Have you seen Seven? Shawshank is set in an era where he had to act like a southern black man... oh wait he is one. Just because he is black and good at what he does doesnt mean he plays the token black guy. Does Denzel play the token black guy? Come on now, seriously? | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
also i mean denzel washington, freeman, definitely not good actors to mention in terms of versatility. denzel plays the same character in every movie, freeman basically just plays the mentor/meta-narrator | ||
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On December 19 2008 07:11 SpiralArchitect wrote: Actually that is a very good reason to think someone is a shitty actor. Tom Hanks would be a terrible actor if he continued to play a naive adult like in that movie with the dog, Splash and Big. But luckily for him he has versatility which is a very very important quality for good actors to have. Keanu has tried to go out of his comfort zone before (that movie with Charlize Theron) but he has never been able to do it with much success imo. Ill say this again, Morgan Freeman does not play the token black man by any fucking respects. Have you seen Seven? Shawshank is set in an era where he had to act like a southern black man... oh wait he is one. Just because he is black and good at what he does doesnt mean he plays the token black guy. Does Denzel play the token black guy? Come on now, seriously? So any actor who has a talent doing one role shouldn't pursue it? An actors job is to act. If they can act the shit out of one role, who is anyone to deny that or lessen it by saying that they are a shitty actor for not having range. Is George Clooney a shitty actor? My whole point is that Keanu is not a bad actor. He's not a great actor, but he's what I said ' not bad '. Shawshank is set in Maine. The original character is white, and Irish. The film producers casted Morgan Freeman [ according to imdb ] because of his demeanor and authoritative presence. Hence my point earlier of old/wise/leader/black or a combination. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On December 19 2008 00:18 SkY wrote: Spike is too compulsive and suave for Keanu. Yeah can't imagine neo being Spike... "Spike are you gonna catch criminal?" "What if I do not suceed? What if I fail?" "Umm..." "Why am I here? what is my purpose?" Lolol | ||
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
You are mistaking success for talent, they are very separate. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Movie is gonna suck just like the cartoon anyways, so don't worry. | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
I don't even mind the guy really, but this part is way over his head. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On December 19 2008 07:27 SpiralArchitect wrote: Why do you keep saying that role actors are good yet using examples of actors who have at least some versatility, if not a good amount of it. Clooney has gone from romantic, to comedy, to action and done a decent job at each of them. Hell he was easily the best character on ER, that whole show went downhill after him. Role actors pursue one role because they can make money of it, that doesnt mean they are talented and can bring a character to life in other scenarios. You are mistaking success for talent, they are very separate. So you're saying Clooney doesn't play a calm/collected persona in the majority of his roles? Whatever your answer I'm done trying to discuss this since neither of us are gonna change our mind. It just sucks bebop is turning into live action. Looks like I'll just resort to using clever short 1-4 line posts since the more text you put out the higher the chance of being misunderstood. | ||
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Flaccid
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edit: Really though, Keanu Reeves has that cockiness and sort of detached way about him that fits pretty well with Spike. At least they didn't announce Shia-fucking-Labeouf | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
he gives fast & furious 2 thumbs up. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On December 19 2008 08:03 MYM.Testie wrote: Don't listen to Charlie he gives fast & furious 2 thumbs up. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
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gLyo
United States2410 Posts
On December 19 2008 06:04 MYM.Testie wrote: Wat? No dubs come close to subs. Give me a sample. I've never heard one where i'm like, "wow this is really good and captures the same feel and tone." It's always, "WHY DO ENGLISH VOICE ACTORS SUCK." It's like they all think they are too cool to do the job they are doing and you can hear it thus they suck at it. FLCL dubbed is way better than with subs. On topic: A Cowboy Bebop live action movie from Hollywood will be terrible, even disregarding the bizarre decision to cast Keanu as Spike (Keanu plays stoic well enough, but Spike does not take himself as seriously as Keanu always does). I don't see how live acting could reproduce the unique style of fighting (both hand to hand and spaceship to spaceship) without being another cheesy overproduced popcorn flick, a la 300, Sin City, The Spirit, Wanted, etc, and the hyper-cool film noir style would probably fare even worse than the action. What a fucking terrible decision. It would be nice to be proven wrong, though. | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
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Roxen000
1226 Posts
On December 19 2008 00:18 SkY wrote: Spike is too compulsive and suave for Keanu. Yes. I love this series and the movie... man... | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On December 19 2008 13:35 mahnini wrote: KEANU DOESNT FLOW LIKE WATER lol i srsly thought this | ||
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Tekin
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Kingkosi
United States1215 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On December 19 2008 04:40 mahnini wrote: edward norton! edward norton should just be in every movie ever Fuck that, lets just cast the entire thing with Eddie Murphy. The nutty professor kicked fucking ASS. Better yet, you can never go wrong with Ben Stiller | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On December 20 2008 17:23 Dromar wrote: I think Norton could do it. He's talented. Yea, I really respect actors who have actual training. At least to a certain degree. It makes me feel more comfortable with the path I am also taking towards acting =). | ||
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GearitUP
United States337 Posts
keanu is only good in roles where HE DOESN"T HAVE TO TALK! Spike> keanu | ||
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liosama
Australia843 Posts
On December 19 2008 03:19 mahnini wrote: they couldve at least gotten someone who knew some type of martial art, cause y'know, there is bound to be some hand to hand combat scene and those were really the best in bebop. http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=BGTcA8gWVuE&feature=related 7:25 thx /me kills self after hearing american dub | ||
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