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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On November 17 2008 10:09 rushz0rz wrote: Yeah, well, you're wrong and you are exactly whats wrong with this world, letting criminals get away with murder. Ridiculous. In situations like this it is justified. Frits is certainly not what´s wrong with this world, get a grip on yourself. Yeah it´s horrible, and yes, I am angry, too. | ||
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EGMachine
United States1643 Posts
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EGMachine
United States1643 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
On November 17 2008 10:09 rushz0rz wrote: Yeah, well, you're wrong and you are exactly whats wrong with this world, letting criminals get away with murder. Ridiculous. In situations like this it is justified. You're saying that in lawful judgement revenge should be a factor, that's silly unless you want to live in a society where 'an eye for an eye' becomes the norm. And how is life imprisonment letting someone get away with murder. Getting away with it implies not getting caught, which is irrelevant to it's punishment. | ||
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PaeZ
Mexico1627 Posts
On November 17 2008 05:16 Clutch3 wrote: Nothing justifies the death penalty. The state shouldn't kill its citizens. If God wants to strike these people down, I will feel fine about it. Short of that, they should spend the rest of their days in a cell. No they shouldnt, they make the goverment spend huge amounts of money just to maintain them alive by giving them food, they should die, more cheaper, besides, killers like these, rapers and so on SHOULD die, there are many complications that follow up for example a rape... This woman and her boyfriend are FUCKED up they should be the ones beated to death, worhtless human beings they are!! god im so pissed!! | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On November 17 2008 10:38 PaeZ wrote: No they shouldnt, they make the goverment spend huge amounts of money just to maintain them alive by giving them food, they should die, more cheaper, besides, killers like these, rapers and so on SHOULD die, there are many complications that follow up for example a rape... This woman and her boyfriend are FUCKED up they should be the ones beated to death, worhtless human beings they are!! god im so pissed!! Way to be uninformed, a death penalty costs way more money than life imprisonment. Also if you stopped raging for a second you would realize that you want someone to die simply because it costs money to let them live, you are disgusting. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 17 2008 09:37 Frits wrote: Is everyone a doctor here or something? How would YOU notice a broken back? This is not an adult who is telling him his back hurts. This is not something as straightforward as you make it out to be. Retards like you who go on uninformed witch hunts are just as sad as the people who commit these crimes, show some goddamn restraint, you can't make an informed opinion about the jobs of these people based on some bullet points. Are investigations a thing of the past or something? Laws exist to keep criminals in jail, but they also exist to keep people like you from setting us back to the middle ages. Watch what you say about other people when u base ur opinion urself on ignorance. Broken back should be generally easy to spot because it limits motor functions, and babies have a certain motor function development requirements lack of which should warrant a physical | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On November 17 2008 10:44 Sfydjklm wrote: Watch what you say about other people when u base ur opinion urself on ignorance. Broken back should be generally easy to spot because it limits motor functions, and babies have a certain motor function development requirements lack of which should warrant a physical What Im saying is that maybe we should let a doctor be the judge of that. | ||
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evandi
United States266 Posts
It is not difficult at all to kill ones self in almost any situation. People on death row do not kill themselves, they fight as hard as they can to avoid the death penalty. If life in prison was worse than the death penalty we would have no one serving life in prison because they would give themselves the death penalty. I would like to know where some people get this ridiculous notion that there is something worse than death? In any case if life in prison is worse than the death penalty then if it is not justifiable to support the death penalty it can't be justifiable to support life in prison. People in prison get fed and have shelter for nothing. All they have to really worry about is whether or not some other hardened criminal will kill them. Obviously if they are worried about that they must prefer life to death. Obviously prison isn't a great place to be, but every prisoner has a choice and the vast majority don't choose the death penalty. This should be so fucking obvious that it really hurts to have to say this. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 17 2008 11:38 evandi wrote: I would like to point out the stupidity of saying that life in prison is worse than the death penalty. It is not difficult at all to kill ones self in almost any situation. People on death row do not kill themselves, they fight as hard as they can to avoid the death penalty. If life in prison was worse than the death penalty we would have no one serving life in prison because they would give themselves the death penalty. I would like to know where some people get this ridiculous notion that there is something worse than death? In any case if life in prison is worse than the death penalty then if it is not justifiable to support the death penalty it can't be justifiable to support life in prison. People in prison get fed and have shelter for nothing. All they have to really worry about is whether or not some other hardened criminal will kill them. Obviously if they are worried about that they must prefer life to death. Obviously prison isn't a great place to be, but every prisoner has a choice and the vast majority don't choose the death penalty. This should be so fucking obvious that it really hurts to have to say this. You know there are people who tried to survive even in concentration camps or goulag... Honestly i don't know if it was really worth it when you know that you are doomed, but you know most of the people will try to survive even in harsh living conditions. But there are also people who will commit suicide, and actually suicide rates are quite high in prison  | ||
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evandi
United States266 Posts
On November 17 2008 11:45 Boblion wrote: You know there are people who tried to survive even in concentration camps or goulag... Honestly i don't know if it was really worth it when you know that you are doomed, but you know most of the people will try to survive even in harsh living conditions. But there are also people who will commit suicide, and actually suicide rates are quite high in prison Certainly, but "quite high" means extremely rare instead of extremely extremely rare. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 17 2008 12:05 evandi wrote: Certainly, but "quite high" means extremely rare instead of extremely extremely rare. Suicide rate in prison is really high compared to the suicide rate of the whole population and i think it is true in every country. It isnt extremely rare at all -.- | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On November 17 2008 11:38 evandi wrote: I would like to point out the stupidity of saying that life in prison is worse than the death penalty. It is not difficult at all to kill ones self in almost any situation. People on death row do not kill themselves, they fight as hard as they can to avoid the death penalty. If life in prison was worse than the death penalty we would have no one serving life in prison because they would give themselves the death penalty. I would like to know where some people get this ridiculous notion that there is something worse than death? In any case if life in prison is worse than the death penalty then if it is not justifiable to support the death penalty it can't be justifiable to support life in prison. People in prison get fed and have shelter for nothing. All they have to really worry about is whether or not some other hardened criminal will kill them. Obviously if they are worried about that they must prefer life to death. Obviously prison isn't a great place to be, but every prisoner has a choice and the vast majority don't choose the death penalty. This should be so fucking obvious that it really hurts to have to say this. If we really want it to argue that it is a choice, people in prison should be offered suicide pills along with their meals. There's a lot of effort put into suicide prevention, and suicide isn't as easy as you'd think. | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
You clearly dont live in a country where there are kidnaps. Ill enlighten you a bit how it works, the cops in conjunction with criminals stop you in your car, take you by force and kidnap you. Then they call your family asking to the last penny the entire family has, and just to speed up the process they cut your finger and set it in a nice package to your mom. You spend 8 months with a blindfold and tied, they cut you and send another 4 fingers just to keep the family scared, you are at the brink of crazyness, and finally the family is able to sell all their properties and belongings, get loans and get in serious debt, everything to gather the millions the kidnappers asked. The family sends the money, and the kidnappers dont return you, they dont even have the heart to give you a speedy death, they torture you and hang you to instill fear in the next families. This is not a story i made up, this happened not long ago, and this people dont have the "excuse" of a serial murderer that kills because of a mentall illnes, these are organizations in collusion with the police that do this for money. Who on earth feels that these people do not deserve to die, seriously i want to know. | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
On November 17 2008 12:51 BlackJack wrote: If we really want it to argue that it is a choice, people in prison should be offered suicide pills along with their meals. There's a lot of effort put into suicide prevention, and suicide isn't as easy as you'd think. Suicide isnt easy? are you stupid, you realize getting acces to a knife in prision is ridiculously easy right? just fucking slit your throat in the middle of the night, oh yeah so hard.... | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On November 17 2008 07:38 Clutch3 wrote: Good point.  However, the way the economy's going, maybe we'll need all the jobs we can get. Don't let those inmates take em.  They can "do the jobs Americans won't" then we can finally kick out all the mexicans. Seriously though, I don't see anything wrong with the death penalty. Society is a sum of its parts: its citizens. The highest transgression an individual can perform against the collective, is to murder its components. I see death penalty as reciprocation; it is a rejection of that person: "return to sender" if you will. Is there some metaphysical reason that society shouldn't implement reciprocation? | ||
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On November 17 2008 09:37 Frits wrote: Is everyone a doctor here or something? How would YOU notice a broken back? This is not an adult who is telling him his back hurts. This is not something as straightforward as you make it out to be. Retards like you who go on uninformed witch hunts are just as sad as the people who commit these crimes, show some goddamn restraint, you can't make an informed opinion about the jobs of these people based on some bullet points. Are investigations a thing of the past or something? Laws exist to keep criminals in jail, but they also exist to keep people like you from setting us back to the middle ages. Talk of restraint...you aren't exactly a paragon of that virtue. The fact of the matter is that this council had been under pressure for failing to prevent the previous tragic incident of gross negligence committed towards a child; and should have scrutinized every action involving anything to do with this issue. That I am appalled the doctor who examined the child didn't find a broken back, is worthy of being called a retard? Well fuck you. I'm not in some rage of passion, and of COURSE I am speculating; but why can't I make a statement like that. Jesus, half the fucking world would probably be similarly appalled. The woman could have saved the baby's life, could have found something at least. And it wasn't necessarily an indictment on her capability or perception, just a statement of my being appalled at the fact. I don't know exactly how difficult it would have been to spot that the baby had a broken back, I'm sure it wasn't jutting out every which way. I would expect though that if the examination had been thorough enough something would have been found. And can you put a fucking sock in these investigative journalist, devil's advocate, perry mason defense lawyer essays on examining evidence and making informed decisions in issues like this? Why I can't I express a knee-jerk reaction? I don't have the time or the desire to research on the facts on something like this. I've read a few papers and had a few discussions, and from what I've read I've concluded that I think the people involved should all lose their jobs. You can go and defend them, or pile on accusations...why should you or I care. The fact of the fucking matter is that this is forum speculation and nothing I say is important because we aren't making the decisions that matter. Now as for your concept of the death penalty et al...it would have to be classified as a selfish desire that I want the pair dead. But when it comes down to the cold hard facts of day, this lodger guy is a total menace. There's no way he should be allowed into the public again. Thrown away under lock and key...and that he can get a maximum sentence of less than 20 years is, to me, ridiculous. He will hopefully be slaughtered in prison. | ||
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Ozarugold
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
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