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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-16 18:21:23
November 16 2008 17:38 GMT
#1
quoted from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7708398.stm

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Two men have been found guilty of causing or allowing the death of a 17-month-old boy. The child's mother had already admitted allowing or causing the child's death.

The trial highlighted a catalogue of missed opportunities to save his life and the case has chilling echoes of the death of Victoria Climbie.
Baby P's clothes
The boy's mother denied knowing anything about bloodstains

On 2 August 2007 police announced they were dropping an investigation into allegations of child abuse they had launched the previous December.

Baby P's mother was elated and told social workers she would go home to hug her son and bake cakes.

The next morning he was dead.

Baby P, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was pronounced dead shortly after midday on 3 August at the North Middlesex Hospital in Edmonton, north London.

But it was already clear when an ambulance arrived at his Tottenham home 45 minutes earlier that he had been dead for some time.

His mother described him in her 999 call as "blue, cold and stiff." In his short life he had suffered repeated - and unexplained - injuries.

The post-mortem examination revealed Baby P had suffered:

• Eight broken ribs and a broken back, with another area of bleeding around the spine at neck level.

• Numerous bruises, cuts and abrasions, including a deep tear to his left ear lobe, which had been pulled away from his head.

• Severe lacerations to the top of his head, including a large gouge which could have been caused by a dog bite.

• Blackened finger- and toenails, with several nails missing; the middle finger of his right hand was without a nail and its tip was also missing, as if it had been sliced off.

• A tear to his fraenulum, the strip of skin between the middle of the upper lip and the gum, which had partially healed.

• One of his front teeth had also been knocked out and was found in his colon. He had swallowed it.

The jury was not shown photographs of the child's actual injuries because it would be too upsetting but was shown computer generated images of his injuries.
Baby P's head injuries, as recreated on a graphical representation
The jury were shown computer generated images of Baby P's injuries

His mother, who is now 27, told her GP in September 2006 that her son "bruises easily" and she was worried she might be accused of hurting him.

The following month she returned to see Dr Jerome Iqwueke and explained away bruises on the child, saying he had fallen down the stairs the day before.

On 11 December 2006 Dr Iqwueke saw the child again and noticed more bruises, none of which the mother could adequately explain.

He immediately referred Baby P to paediatric specialists at the Whittington Hospital, where doctors concluded the marks suggested non-accidental injury.

Haringey social services were notified, Baby P was put on the child protection register and a police investigation began.

Five days later he was released into the care of Angela Godfrey, a close friend of the mother.

At the end of January 2007 social services decided to return Baby P to the family home.

Dr Heather Mackinnon, the paediatric consultant in charge of Baby P's care at the Whittington, said she had been unable to attend various case conferences concerning him but had made her report available.

'Systemic failure'

She said she would not have supported returning the child to his family.

She also said she did not receive the minutes of any of the meetings until after Baby P's death eight months later - something she described as "clearly a systemic failure".

Dr Mackinnon said many of those involved in the case felt sorry for the mother and she said there was "a collective thinking that this was more likely to be neglect rather than deliberate injury - which was not my view".

The police officer investigating the suspected abuse, Detective Constable Angela Slade, said she had also been opposed to Baby P returning to the family home because her investigation had not been completed.

But she said she was told by social services the mother was working well with them and a delay in returning would affect the re-integration of the family.

Social services had also been given assurances - which proved worthless - that the mother was living alone and there was no man in the house who could have inflicted the injuries.

During the trial the mother admitted this was a lie.
Victoria Climbie
The death of Baby P has chilling echoes of the Victoria Climbie case

The court heard that her 32-year-old boyfriend, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was frequently left in charge of Baby P and the first injuries coincided with his growing involvement in the household.

Baby P was taken to hospital twice more, in April and June 2007, with unexplained cuts and bruises.

The mother lied to social worker Maria Ward that she was away, which delayed a home visit for another six weeks.

When Ms Ward saw Baby P for the last time, a few days before his death, she found him sitting in his buggy, with a sore ear, a gauze over his finger and chocolate smeared over his face and hands.

Two prosecution witnesses claimed the mother and boyfriend had deliberately spread the chocolate on his face to hide bruises.

Baby P's final two weeks of life were marked by an escalation of the violence against him.

On 25 July Dr Iqwueke received a call from the mother, requesting his help to get social services "off her back".

When she brought the child in the following day the doctor noticed he was "withdrawn" and avoided contact.

'Miserable and cranky'

The prosecution claimed the child's back and ribs would have been broken before 1 August, when his mother took him to a child development clinic at St Ann's Hospital where he was seen by Dr Sabah Al-Zayyat.

In a police interview Dr Al-Zayyat said she had been unable to carry out a full physical examination because he was "miserable and cranky".

But in court she said Baby P only cried for a minute or so before she began her physical examination and he was in the room with her for over an hour.

Asked why she apparently changed her evidence she replied that the police had not asked her the right question at the time.

Dr Al-Zayyat denied his back could have been broken when she saw him.

It emerged during the trial that the mother had been placed on a parenting course, had been given stair gates, a fireplace guard and, even, shortly before his death, an offer of a seaside holiday.

This is not the first time Haringey social services has come under the spotlight.

In February 2000 eight-year-old Victoria Climbie was killed in Tottenham after a number of failings by Haringey social services and other agencies.

'I feel betrayed'

The public inquiry that followed, headed by Lord Laming, criticised the lack of communication between the different agencies and suggested an overhaul of child protection guidelines.

But Mor Dioum, director of the Victoria Climbie Foundation, says the lessons have not been learned: "I strongly believe this case is worse than Victoria Climbie.

"Personally I do feel betrayed by the agencies. Given the government's extensive reforms of the child protection system I never though I'd live to see another case so similar to Victoria Climbie. For the sake of public interest we ought to have a wider inquiry into this case to identify the mistakes made."


EDIT: Summary: A mother and her boyfriend essentially beat the SHIT out of the mother's 19 month old baby over a period of time. We're talking serious injuries -- 9 broken ribs, a broken back, etc. They couldn't even show the jury a picture of the baby because it would be too "upsetting." Social services was involved multiple times and didn't find problems until the baby was 2 days dead.

There are more updates on the trial at bbc.co.uk/news
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
November 16 2008 17:41 GMT
#2
Can somebody summarize please? I just can't fucking stand bullet-style news reports. It drives me insane.
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
_Grazze_
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
834 Posts
November 16 2008 17:44 GMT
#3
That's just fucking sick man, I don't know how one could even do that to another human being. I can't think about a penalty that would serve those who did it right... Just sick ...
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6638 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-16 17:45:37
November 16 2008 17:45 GMT
#4
Ah the baby P thing, not good...
Over 60 visits and they didn't notice anything, fucking retarded social workers.
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MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
November 16 2008 17:45 GMT
#5
Wow what a disgusting thing to do. The head doctor lady bitch fucked up bad too. What an excuse maker! She blames "the system", your the -head fucking doctor- it's your job to be the system. What a terrible read
Nak Allstar.
Moff
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom166 Posts
November 16 2008 17:46 GMT
#6
I read this is the newspaper yesterday, summarized i think the babys mom??? and her boyfriend killed a 17 month old baby, even after social services or child protection or w/e checking there and saying everything was ok, the injuries are pretty disgusting and i really wonder what wonders through peoples minds to do something like this :\
shuriken93
Profile Joined September 2008
United States13 Posts
November 16 2008 17:46 GMT
#7
Disgusting.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
November 16 2008 17:49 GMT
#8
On November 17 2008 02:41 Romance_us wrote:
Can somebody summarize please? I just can't fucking stand bullet-style news reports. It drives me insane.


Yeah I edited the post
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
November 16 2008 17:50 GMT
#9
Wow. Not something I needed to read shortly after waking up.
parasite
SoDrunk
Profile Joined September 2004
United Kingdom291 Posts
November 16 2008 17:55 GMT
#10
group on facebook was created about this to get the social workers sacked
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
November 16 2008 17:56 GMT
#11
Omfg, this is ridiculous.
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Rayzorblade
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1172 Posts
November 16 2008 17:56 GMT
#12
Does the UK have capital punishment?
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
November 16 2008 17:56 GMT
#13
On November 17 2008 02:45 MiniRoman wrote:
Wow what a disgusting thing to do. The head doctor lady bitch fucked up bad too. What an excuse maker! She blames "the system", your the -head fucking doctor- it's your job to be the system. What a terrible read

Yes, but both parties are at fault here. Obviously it's the mothers fault for letting this happen, but it's inexcusable that the social workers and doctors were so negligent in their handling of this case. If they had been doing their job at an adequate level they could have easily seen that the kid was being abused and should have been removed from the parent's custody. This was 100% avoidable and the social workers screwed up bigtime.
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Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
November 16 2008 17:57 GMT
#14
Damn you TL..you and your depressive threads.
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-16 17:58:26
November 16 2008 17:58 GMT
#15
This makes me so angry.

This is totally offtopic, but last week I read an article in the newspaper about a girl in Somalia who was stoned to death for premarital sex after she went to report that she had been raped by three men.

As if that in itself wouldn't be disturbing enough, the stoning took place in a stadium in front of ~1000 ppl.; the girl was buried in the ground so only her head stuck out and stoned; after a couple of minutes what was left was dug out, but nurses, who went to check, found out that she was still alive.

So she was buried again and stoned until she was dead.
When people in the crowd protested, the bystanding milita fired into the crowd, killing an 8 yo. boy.

Sometimes I wonder in what kind of world we are living in ...
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
November 16 2008 18:08 GMT
#16
Worse than death? Easy. Put them in front of the American media for a few weeks, then put them in an American prison. They will be torn apart.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-16 18:13:50
November 16 2008 18:11 GMT
#17
On November 17 2008 02:58 poilord wrote:
This makes me so angry.

This is totally offtopic, but last week I read an article in the newspaper about a girl in Somalia who was stoned to death for premarital sex after she went to report that she had been raped by three men.

[...]

Sometimes I wonder in what kind of world we are living in ...


happens in iraq (iran?) too for being gay, premarital sex and stuff. those death penalities r around for some while in some countries. but ye, very different rituals and laws they have, hard to understand with our ethics and western background.


can the op please use spoiler for this endless text, thank u
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6638 Posts
November 16 2008 18:14 GMT
#18
On November 17 2008 02:56 Rayzorblade wrote:
Does the UK have capital punishment?

No, it was abolished in 1969. Too extreme apparently.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
November 16 2008 18:14 GMT
#19
On November 17 2008 02:50 DownMaxX wrote:
Wow. Not something I needed to read shortly after waking up.

Ugh yeah, now my day is going to be all fucked up.
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Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-16 18:23:44
November 16 2008 18:22 GMT
#20
Is it me or does this article read like it was written by someone in grade 8? Anyway, this is pretty fucked up. I'm glad Britain doesn't have the death penalty so scum like the mother and her boyfriend can rot in jail and be reminded of how fucked up they are every day of their miserable lives.

This was a computer generated image of what the baby's head looked like, and was shown to the jury...

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