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On August 06 2010 14:10 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:58 Mindcrime wrote:On August 06 2010 13:46 blastedt wrote:On August 05 2010 06:15 LegendaryZ wrote:On August 05 2010 06:10 D10 wrote:
He believes in the dictatorship of the majority, and think that the minorities desires should be crushed under popular vote, even if they dont directly affect anyones life but theirs If you believe in Democracy, that's pretty much the purest form of it... The Constitution of the US was designed specifically to protect the rights of the minorities, unlike true democracy. The Constitution was designed specifically to create a stronger federal government that all states could accept. It was a political document. Protecting the rights of minorities? Prior to 1868? That's preposterous. Minorities like Rich People, Folks-With-The-Wrong-Religion, and That Guy Joe We Hate. Obviously black people didn't count.
Folks-With-The-Wrong-Religion were still boned if they were living in a state that did not like their religion. The Bill of Rights did not apply to the states until Judges began to read the fourteenth amendment correctly.
Joe was probably fucked too.
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The will of seven million people to ban same-sex marriage in California has been turned down by one federal judge (who is a homosexual, by the way) who has no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. Shame on this leftist judge.
The tyranny of the many.
I want you, right now, to tell me that I should not be allowed to marry my boyfriend, because you and your conservative friends think its bad.
Go ahead, tell me I shouldn't have the same privileges as you, and be able to marry someone I love.
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On August 08 2010 03:11 Psychopomp wrote:Show nested quote +The will of seven million people to ban same-sex marriage in California has been turned down by one federal judge (who is a homosexual, by the way) who has no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. Shame on this leftist judge. The tyranny of the many. I want you, right now, to tell me that I should not be allowed to marry my boyfriend, because you and your conservative friends think its bad. Go ahead, tell me I shouldn't have the same privileges as you, and be able to marry someone I love.
You should not have a boyfriend, and you should not even consider marrying a man. I'm not a conservative, I'm just realistic, unfortunately you are probably protected here so you can insult my beliefs all you want but if I told you what I think of homos I would get banned.
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People who honour themselves with titles like "realist" amuse me no end.
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On August 08 2010 03:23 Pape wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 03:11 Psychopomp wrote:The will of seven million people to ban same-sex marriage in California has been turned down by one federal judge (who is a homosexual, by the way) who has no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. Shame on this leftist judge. The tyranny of the many. I want you, right now, to tell me that I should not be allowed to marry my boyfriend, because you and your conservative friends think its bad. Go ahead, tell me I shouldn't have the same privileges as you, and be able to marry someone I love. You should not have a boyfriend, and you should not even consider marrying a man. I'm not a conservative, I'm just realistic, unfortunately you are probably protected here so you can insult my beliefs all you want but if I told you what I think of homos I would get banned.
Proselitizing your beliefs is one thing, lobbying them into law is another completely different.
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On August 08 2010 03:38 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 03:23 Pape wrote:On August 08 2010 03:11 Psychopomp wrote:The will of seven million people to ban same-sex marriage in California has been turned down by one federal judge (who is a homosexual, by the way) who has no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. Shame on this leftist judge. The tyranny of the many. I want you, right now, to tell me that I should not be allowed to marry my boyfriend, because you and your conservative friends think its bad. Go ahead, tell me I shouldn't have the same privileges as you, and be able to marry someone I love. You should not have a boyfriend, and you should not even consider marrying a man. I'm not a conservative, I'm just realistic, unfortunately you are probably protected here so you can insult my beliefs all you want but if I told you what I think of homos I would get banned. Proselitizing your beliefs is one thing, lobbying them into law is another completely different.
tell that to the gay population
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On August 08 2010 03:11 Psychopomp wrote:Show nested quote +The will of seven million people to ban same-sex marriage in California has been turned down by one federal judge (who is a homosexual, by the way) who has no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. Shame on this leftist judge. The tyranny of the many. I want you, right now, to tell me that I should not be allowed to marry my boyfriend, because you and your conservative friends think its bad. Go ahead, tell me I shouldn't have the same privileges as you, and be able to marry someone I love.
Its not your right, homosexual marriage doesn't exist its just something made up. Marriage is to raise kids not to save money, thats why heterosexual marriage exists to protect society.
You do have the same privilege to marry a person of the opposite sex, I can't get marry whoever I want.
And wow I didn't know the judge was a homosexual... this is such a joke.
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On August 08 2010 04:09 Ploppytheman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 03:11 Psychopomp wrote:The will of seven million people to ban same-sex marriage in California has been turned down by one federal judge (who is a homosexual, by the way) who has no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. Shame on this leftist judge. The tyranny of the many. I want you, right now, to tell me that I should not be allowed to marry my boyfriend, because you and your conservative friends think its bad. Go ahead, tell me I shouldn't have the same privileges as you, and be able to marry someone I love. Its not your right, homosexual marriage doesn't exist its just something made up. Marriage is to raise kids not to save money, thats why heterosexual marriage exists to protect society. You do have the same privilege to marry a person of the opposite sex, I can't get marry whoever I want. And wow I didn't know the judge was a homosexual... this is such a joke.
Why can't gays raise children? The amount of logical fallacies being provided by the anti-gay side is horrendous.
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On August 08 2010 04:15 DetriusXii wrote:Why can't gays raise children? The amount of logical fallacies being provided by the anti-gay side is horrendous.
These people are yet to hear of things like "adoption" and "surrogate mother", they'll come round eventually.
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On August 06 2010 13:58 RivetHead wrote:
Unlike the sanitized fantasy Hollywood and our shitty high school history textbooks would like to believe, progress usually happens with most of the country dragging far behind, kicking and screaming. Most people resist change for no real reason other than just keep the status quo. Nostalgia makes most people look backwards towards tradition and "how things used to be" more positively than how it actually was in reality. Memory tends to fade out the bad things.
People who don't hold a high enough standard for reasoning and progress can be subconsciously manipulated by the ideas of the family and community they were raised in and never end up truly questioning them. People maybe modify and build on those beliefs, but it is very hard to really radical change in the believes of the concept system that they developed in. Hence, most people resist changes at a gut level, more at the emotional level that was laid down when they were impressionable, and then seek to find reasons to justify this core feeling.
I made a flow chart detailing the cycle of wisdom in this thread. To find your place in it, please refer to the following chart:
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On August 08 2010 04:54 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 13:58 RivetHead wrote:
Unlike the sanitized fantasy Hollywood and our shitty high school history textbooks would like to believe, progress usually happens with most of the country dragging far behind, kicking and screaming. Most people resist change for no real reason other than just keep the status quo. Nostalgia makes most people look backwards towards tradition and "how things used to be" more positively than how it actually was in reality. Memory tends to fade out the bad things.
People who don't hold a high enough standard for reasoning and progress can be subconsciously manipulated by the ideas of the family and community they were raised in and never end up truly questioning them. People maybe modify and build on those beliefs, but it is very hard to really radical change in the believes of the concept system that they developed in. Hence, most people resist changes at a gut level, more at the emotional level that was laid down when they were impressionable, and then seek to find reasons to justify this core feeling. I made a flow chart detailing the cycle of wisdom in this thread. To find your place in it, please refer to the following chart:
Well done, sir :-)
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On August 08 2010 04:15 DetriusXii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 04:09 Ploppytheman wrote:On August 08 2010 03:11 Psychopomp wrote:The will of seven million people to ban same-sex marriage in California has been turned down by one federal judge (who is a homosexual, by the way) who has no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. Shame on this leftist judge. The tyranny of the many. I want you, right now, to tell me that I should not be allowed to marry my boyfriend, because you and your conservative friends think its bad. Go ahead, tell me I shouldn't have the same privileges as you, and be able to marry someone I love. Its not your right, homosexual marriage doesn't exist its just something made up. Marriage is to raise kids not to save money, thats why heterosexual marriage exists to protect society. You do have the same privilege to marry a person of the opposite sex, I can't get marry whoever I want. And wow I didn't know the judge was a homosexual... this is such a joke. Why can't gays raise children? The amount of logical fallacies being provided by the anti-gay side is horrendous.
i really wouldn't start about logical fallacies when you've shown an consistent inability to read properly
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On August 08 2010 04:09 Ploppytheman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 03:11 Psychopomp wrote:The will of seven million people to ban same-sex marriage in California has been turned down by one federal judge (who is a homosexual, by the way) who has no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. Shame on this leftist judge. The tyranny of the many. I want you, right now, to tell me that I should not be allowed to marry my boyfriend, because you and your conservative friends think its bad. Go ahead, tell me I shouldn't have the same privileges as you, and be able to marry someone I love. Its not your right, homosexual marriage doesn't exist its just something made up. Marriage is to raise kids not to save money, thats why heterosexual marriage exists to protect society. You do have the same privilege to marry a person of the opposite sex, I can't get marry whoever I want. And wow I didn't know the judge was a homosexual... this is such a joke.
Which is exactly why the sterile cannot get married.
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On August 08 2010 03:41 Pape wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 03:38 D10 wrote:On August 08 2010 03:23 Pape wrote:On August 08 2010 03:11 Psychopomp wrote:The will of seven million people to ban same-sex marriage in California has been turned down by one federal judge (who is a homosexual, by the way) who has no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. Shame on this leftist judge. The tyranny of the many. I want you, right now, to tell me that I should not be allowed to marry my boyfriend, because you and your conservative friends think its bad. Go ahead, tell me I shouldn't have the same privileges as you, and be able to marry someone I love. You should not have a boyfriend, and you should not even consider marrying a man. I'm not a conservative, I'm just realistic, unfortunately you are probably protected here so you can insult my beliefs all you want but if I told you what I think of homos I would get banned. Proselitizing your beliefs is one thing, lobbying them into law is another completely different. tell that to the gay population
Odd, I haven't heard any gay people talk about banning heterosexual marriages.
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I have yet to read a single logical argument against gay marriage. And I'm willing to bet my life that the majority of people supporting Prop 8 are homophobes, yes that is a grandiose claim but lets be honest with ourselves here. Don't try and cover up your personal animosity with bullshit tirades about the sanctity of marriage. Once again (as we have been hundreds of times in our past) we are faced with change and change makes people of lesser intellect fearful for some reason.
I'm confident that what is truly right, acceptance, tolerance will win over.
Marriage rate in U.S: 7.1 per 1000
Divorce rate in U.S: 3.5 per 1000
Oh its SOOOO sacred. Bullshit.
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On August 08 2010 04:09 Ploppytheman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 03:11 Psychopomp wrote:The will of seven million people to ban same-sex marriage in California has been turned down by one federal judge (who is a homosexual, by the way) who has no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. Shame on this leftist judge. The tyranny of the many. I want you, right now, to tell me that I should not be allowed to marry my boyfriend, because you and your conservative friends think its bad. Go ahead, tell me I shouldn't have the same privileges as you, and be able to marry someone I love. Its not your right, homosexual marriage doesn't exist its just something made up. Marriage is to raise kids not to save money, thats why heterosexual marriage exists to protect society. You do have the same privilege to marry a person of the opposite sex, I can't get marry whoever I want. And wow I didn't know the judge was a homosexual... this is such a joke.
A couple needs not be married to raise children.
Marriage does not exist solely for the purpose of providing a stable family unit for children. If that were the case, the sterile, barren, post-menopausal, post-hysterectomy, post-vasectomy, life-term prisoners, the terminally ill, and those who just plain don't want to have kids should also be unable to wed.
Would you like to deny them the ability to marry who they want as well?
Should children be taken away from their parents and relocated to a home that meets your approval (married heterosexual family) if and when their parents divorce?
There's absolutely no proof that homosexual couples can't raise a child who grows up to be a contributing member of society, with a full life of their own. In fact there was a study done that showed the children of the lesbian couples involved were typically more well-adjusted than those of heterosexual couples.
Also, you ought to prove that heterosexual marriage, or marriage of any kind, serves to preserve society before you make such a claim.
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For those arguing about the purpose of marriage, should we prevent people who are unable to reproduce from having a child?
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Fact: A child cannot grow up to be a contributing member of society without both a male and female parent.
Fact: All attempts to raise children otherwise result in complete failure.
Recommendation: All single parents, and widowed parents, should have their children taken away and the remaining parent launched towards the sun in a catapult.
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On August 08 2010 05:39 Bibdy wrote:
Fact: A child cannot grow up to be a contributing member of society without both a male and female parent.
Fact: All attempts to raise children otherwise result in complete failure.
Recommendation: All single parents, and widowed parents, should have their children taken away and the remaining parent launched towards the sun in a catapult.
I'm Basil Marceaux dot Com and I approve this message.
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Adoption is not much more than an attempt to socially engineer the wellbeing of a parentless child, and as such negative arguments are not of much practical use. It's theoretically possible for people of low-education, low-income, eccentric religion, or lethargic lifestyles to be good and loving parents, but they are generally not chosen for falling out of safe and secure selection criteria based on social norms.
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