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On November 02 2008 22:38 Zuries wrote:
These bombings were NOWHERE NEAR justified.
If you vote yes you are probably moronic,or an media brainwashed american idiot (most likely).
America did this to show off and to cement their future dominance.
Clear idiocy...
"Show off" is a strange word. They needed to know exactly what kind of weapon they had developed. It was absolutely _necessary_ for the american millitary to test their new toy under real conditions and not in a "lab".
And no Blackjack it didn't save American lives.
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On November 02 2008 22:45 BlackJack wrote:
/facepalm
I wouldn't have bothered to make the reply had I read your post, but it was posted while I was writing mine.
And no why would I agree on something that isn't true.
Your text books lied, I'm sorry.
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It must have saved American lives, because the number of American lives that were lost dropping those bombs was near zero. Presumably if the war had gone on Americans would have died somewhere, whether from kamikaze attacks or ground operations in mainland Asia. Whether it was "about American lives" is another story.
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As a French, i have to say that japan should have learn to surrender earlier.
+ Show Spoiler +
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History teachings these days are so biased 
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Lol I don't even know how to respond to this stupidity so I'm just going to leave. good day sirs! 
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As an addendum, the notion that the Americans dropped the bomb to scare Stalin might have produced that effect on Stalin (who reacted to the news of Hiroshima calmly, and without much impression, whatever his private feelings may have been,) but pre-dates the Cold War by 2 years.
In 1945 the foreign policy of America was still attempting to build a universal post-war order, including Soviet participation, hence the scale of concessions made to the Soviet Union at Yalta. The Cold War began in 1947, not 45, and it was not until 49-50 that the notion of two worlds was crystallized. Truman informed Stalin about the bomb at Potsdam, in an exchange which did not carry any sign of a threat.
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On November 02 2008 22:55 BlackJack wrote:Lol I don't even know how to respond to this stupidity so I'm just going to leave. good day sirs!
you represent most of america
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On November 02 2008 22:56 MoltkeWarding wrote:
As an addendum, the notion that the Americans dropped the bomb to scare Stalin might have produced that effect on Stalin (who reacted to the news of Hiroshima calmly, and without much impression, whatever his private feelings may have been,) but pre-dates the Cold War by 2 years.
In 1945 the foreign policy of America was still attempting to build a universal post-war order, including Soviet participation, hence the scale of concessions made to the Soviet Union at Yalta. The Cold War began in 1947, not 45, and it was not until 49-50 that the notion of two worlds was crystallized. Truman informed Stalin about the bomb at Potsdam, in an exchange which did not carry any sign of a threat.
Actually I don't think Truman informed him, Stalin was spying on him and knew beforehand, I think prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, about the manhattan project, but I agree with the statement that htey dropped the bomb to scare Stallin
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Stalin knew, but Truman didn't know that Stalin knew, which is why when Stalin failed to react Truman thought that Stalin didn't recognize the implications of the bomb.
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On November 02 2008 23:01 Zuries wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2008 22:55 BlackJack wrote:Lol I don't even know how to respond to this stupidity so I'm just going to leave. good day sirs! you represent most of america
bla bla bla, said the islander
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United Kingdom2674 Posts
On November 02 2008 22:38 luiohh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2008 22:31 Archaic wrote:
If the US just timed their nukes better to hit the peon lines, or even their tech, then the second nuke wouldn't be needed. Yeah Japan should have gged earlier once its proxy rush failed and US's macro kicked in, but US was bm to use nukes nonetheless
My advice to anyone else who is thinking about making a lame Starcraft joke is as follows: don't.
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it did save more american lives, how anyone can say otherwise is ridiculous.
Whether that was a REASON for the initial dropping of the bomb or not COULD be question, the after effects of less americans dying cannot
Also, the world was a different time then, its hard to look back at the past an use the present moral system and after the fact knowledge.
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Belgium9950 Posts
I can't believe anyone saying it was justified. Jesus christ.
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Ofcourse the murdering of countless civilians isn't justifiable, it never is.
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When this thread was first created the poll showed 50/50 for the first couple of hours until Europe woke up and the poll shifted ^^
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On November 02 2008 22:02 Klockan3 wrote:
Thanks to these bombs Japan surrendered unconditionally and thanks to that Japan is today one of the strongest economies of the world and have extremely high living standards.
Awesome! Lets try that on Sweden and see if it happens again.
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I really don't think the USA knew about the nuculear fallout and shit that would happen. I thught they were just under the impression that it would be a huge bomb and that would be the end of thit
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On November 02 2008 22:02 Klockan3 wrote:
Thanks to these bombs Japan surrendered unconditionally and thanks to that Japan is today one of the strongest economies of the world and have extremely high living standards.
looooooooooooooooooool
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