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Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
November 02 2008 13:09 GMT
#241
On November 02 2008 22:03 ilovehnk wrote:
at least they died quickly, what about the Nanjing people, beheaded, raped, set on fire, torn apart by dogs, mutilated, belly cut open, buried alive...


Two wrongs dont make a right, this has very little to do with the topic.
This is real life, where nerds must battle!
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
November 02 2008 13:13 GMT
#242
Read the history of what the japs did to us here in the Philippines, then you would think they deserved a 3rd nuke.
Woo Jung Ho
mtmf
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Brazil420 Posts
November 02 2008 13:16 GMT
#243
The amount of people who voted yes in this poll really scares me...
(–_–)
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 13:18:34
November 02 2008 13:17 GMT
#244
On November 02 2008 22:03 ilovehnk wrote:
at least they died quickly, what about the Nanjing people, beheaded, raped, set on fire, torn apart by dogs, mutilated, belly cut open, buried alive...

Maybe the people who got vaporized instantly died quickly. The half who didn't die the same day died a slow and painful death.
.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
November 02 2008 13:18 GMT
#245
oops voted yes but I wanted to vote no =[....all this was was America showing off to the soviets that they had nukes just so that they can subtlely threaten the soviets during potsdam and whatnot....nuking civs no reason just to get an advantage in a war that could of been avoided had it not been for retarded american policies
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 13:21:41
November 02 2008 13:20 GMT
#246
On November 02 2008 22:18 VyzhiS wrote:
nuking civs no reason just to get an advantage in a war that could of been avoided had it not been for retarded american policies

So, how could ww2 have been avoided if the USA had any other policies?

Edit: Or are you pacifists saying that the USA should have totally stayed out of the war altogether and therefore we would today have a world still in chaos?
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 13:22:12
November 02 2008 13:20 GMT
#247
you wont be saying that if your country was one of those countries abused by the Japanese during ww2

ive heard stories that the japs would toss babies up in the air and spear them with the knife at the tip of their rifles. just picture that.
Woo Jung Ho
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
November 02 2008 13:22 GMT
#248
War...
sucks doesnt it

Using abombs is immoral no matter how you look at it, but you can say the same about war...

Shit happend, just be happy we all learned lessons from WW2(UN, EU , rules for ABC weapons,...) Now let's never forget how gruesome it was and try to avoid other wars.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
November 02 2008 13:23 GMT
#249
On November 02 2008 22:13 iLoveKTF wrote:
Read the history of what the japs did to us here in the Philippines, then you would think they deserved a 3rd nuke.

How can you say something like that? How are the civilians and children living in Hiroshima accountable for what soldiers in the Philippines did?
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
November 02 2008 13:24 GMT
#250
On November 02 2008 22:23 DrainX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2008 22:13 iLoveKTF wrote:
Read the history of what the japs did to us here in the Philippines, then you would think they deserved a 3rd nuke.

How can you say something like that? How are the civilians and children living in Hiroshima accountable for what soldiers in the Philippines did?


lol do you seriously think that the japs only harmed the SOLDIERS here? youre funny.
Woo Jung Ho
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 13:26:15
November 02 2008 13:25 GMT
#251
On November 02 2008 22:24 iLoveKTF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2008 22:23 DrainX wrote:
On November 02 2008 22:13 iLoveKTF wrote:
Read the history of what the japs did to us here in the Philippines, then you would think they deserved a 3rd nuke.

How can you say something like that? How are the civilians and children living in Hiroshima accountable for what soldiers in the Philippines did?


lol do you seriously think that the japs only harmed the SOLDIERS here? youre funny.

I was talking about Japanese soldiers in the Philippines. I don't understand your eye for an eye mentality.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
November 02 2008 13:27 GMT
#252
On November 02 2008 21:45 BlackJack wrote:
I wonder if any of you would change your mind if you were actually an American fighting in the pacific. If you were one of the thousands that died at Iwo Jima or Pearl Harbor. If your father's life was on the line fighting a war that started when the Japanese bombed a neutral country. Then see what you say when you're given the option to end the war in a matter of days, have your children or parents return home to you, end American bloodshed in the pacific etc. Truman should have been like, "Hell no, we're in this for the long haul. We're going to fight and die until Japan is ready to surrender. Winning this war without losing anymore American life is great, but not if I'm going to lose the respect of an internet gaming forum 60 years from now."


As Hotbid, Frolix, Mensrea and more have already said it did not save lives. Anyone who has read anything on the subject that is not american highschool text books will tell you so.
The bombs were dropped because they needed testing under real conditions and since you were luckily still officially at war that was the perfect excuse.
I must admit _I_ as a Swede was 100% convinced the bombings were justified right until I started doing some reading on the subject. _That_ is how succesful the propaganda stunt was.
And you lost the respect of much, much more than a gaming forum.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
November 02 2008 13:28 GMT
#253
we couldnt tell the yanks to nuke the soldiers in the Phil coz we would blow up with them too. lol. nah im just kidding, maybe i just feel that way coz my country was directly involved in that war and Sweden was prolly neutral or unharmed by the japs at that time. I dont know much about ww2 history exept for the japs+phil part.
Woo Jung Ho
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
November 02 2008 13:31 GMT
#254
On November 02 2008 22:27 KlaCkoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2008 21:45 BlackJack wrote:
I wonder if any of you would change your mind if you were actually an American fighting in the pacific. If you were one of the thousands that died at Iwo Jima or Pearl Harbor. If your father's life was on the line fighting a war that started when the Japanese bombed a neutral country. Then see what you say when you're given the option to end the war in a matter of days, have your children or parents return home to you, end American bloodshed in the pacific etc. Truman should have been like, "Hell no, we're in this for the long haul. We're going to fight and die until Japan is ready to surrender. Winning this war without losing anymore American life is great, but not if I'm going to lose the respect of an internet gaming forum 60 years from now."


As Hotbid, Frolix, Mensrea and more have already said it did not save lives. Anyone who has read anything on the subject that is not american highschool text books will tell you so.
The bombs were dropped because they needed testing under real conditions and since you were luckily still officially at war that was the perfect excuse.
I must admit _I_ as a Swede was 100% convinced the bombings were justified right until I started doing some reading on the subject. _That_ is how succesful the propaganda stunt was.
And you lost the respect of much, much more than a gaming forum.


umm... yes it saved American lives...
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
November 02 2008 13:31 GMT
#255
If the US just timed their nukes better to hit the peon lines, or even their tech, then the second nuke wouldn't be needed.
.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 13:39:36
November 02 2008 13:36 GMT
#256
On November 02 2008 22:20 Klockan3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2008 22:18 VyzhiS wrote:
nuking civs no reason just to get an advantage in a war that could of been avoided had it not been for retarded american policies

So, how could ww2 have been avoided if the USA had any other policies?

Edit: Or are you pacifists saying that the USA should have totally stayed out of the war altogether and therefore we would today have a world still in chaos?


Dude im not a fucking pacifist its just an arguable but very justifiable statement that the US nuked Japan so that they can show it off to the soviets and intimidate them, if their policies (of course the soviets had a lot to do in this as well) would have been stronger and not as dumb, the Cold War, though it might of been inevitable given the ideologies, wouldnt of impacted the world as it did, and therefore nuking japan for this kind of shit is absolutely unforgivible

Edit: Obviously this is completely arguable, just stating my opinion based on nuke = intimidate soviets, not really ''put an end to the war'' and I think that this statement is completely valid, however again its not a fact so...=]
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
luiohh
Profile Joined February 2008
Bangladesh78 Posts
November 02 2008 13:38 GMT
#257
On November 02 2008 22:31 Archaic wrote:
If the US just timed their nukes better to hit the peon lines, or even their tech, then the second nuke wouldn't be needed.


Yeah Japan should have gged earlier once its proxy rush failed and US's macro kicked in, but US was bm to use nukes nonetheless
Zuries
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom156 Posts
November 02 2008 13:38 GMT
#258
These bombings were NOWHERE NEAR justified.


If you vote yes you are probably moronic,or an media brainwashed american idiot (most likely).

America did this to show off and to cement their future dominance.

Clear idiocy...
FUCK SALT
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-02 13:40:52
November 02 2008 13:38 GMT
#259
On November 02 2008 21:45 BlackJack wrote:
I wonder if any of you would change your mind if you were actually an American fighting in the pacific. If you were one of the thousands that died at Iwo Jima or Pearl Harbor. If your father's life was on the line fighting a war that started when the Japanese bombed a neutral country. Then see what you say when you're given the option to end the war in a matter of days, have your children or parents return home to you, end American bloodshed in the pacific etc. Truman should have been like, "Hell no, we're in this for the long haul. We're going to fight and die until Japan is ready to surrender. Winning this war without losing anymore American life is great, but not if I'm going to lose the respect of an internet gaming forum 60 years from now."

I don't think I would since I don't think it did help save lives. But lets say that it did. I think its a stupid argument. It's like an argument for capital punishment. If someone murdered my father then ofc I would want him to die too. But if I was a victim to a crime like that then I wouldn't be in a position to make a judgment like that.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
November 02 2008 13:42 GMT
#260
If we can't even agree that the unilateral surrender of Japan led to fewer American casualties than a drawn out war, I don't even see a reason to continue the discussion...
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