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Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
On November 02 2008 22:03 ilovehnk wrote: at least they died quickly, what about the Nanjing people, beheaded, raped, set on fire, torn apart by dogs, mutilated, belly cut open, buried alive... Two wrongs dont make a right, this has very little to do with the topic. | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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mtmf
Brazil420 Posts
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On November 02 2008 22:03 ilovehnk wrote: at least they died quickly, what about the Nanjing people, beheaded, raped, set on fire, torn apart by dogs, mutilated, belly cut open, buried alive... Maybe the people who got vaporized instantly died quickly. The half who didn't die the same day died a slow and painful death. | ||
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On November 02 2008 22:18 VyzhiS wrote: nuking civs no reason just to get an advantage in a war that could of been avoided had it not been for retarded american policies So, how could ww2 have been avoided if the USA had any other policies? Edit: Or are you pacifists saying that the USA should have totally stayed out of the war altogether and therefore we would today have a world still in chaos? | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
ive heard stories that the japs would toss babies up in the air and spear them with the knife at the tip of their rifles. just picture that. | ||
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
sucks doesnt it  Using abombs is immoral no matter how you look at it, but you can say the same about war... Shit happend, just be happy we all learned lessons from WW2(UN, EU , rules for ABC weapons,...) Now let's never forget how gruesome it was and try to avoid other wars. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On November 02 2008 22:13 iLoveKTF wrote: Read the history of what the japs did to us here in the Philippines, then you would think they deserved a 3rd nuke. How can you say something like that? How are the civilians and children living in Hiroshima accountable for what soldiers in the Philippines did? | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
On November 02 2008 22:23 DrainX wrote: How can you say something like that? How are the civilians and children living in Hiroshima accountable for what soldiers in the Philippines did? lol do you seriously think that the japs only harmed the SOLDIERS here? youre funny. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On November 02 2008 22:24 iLoveKTF wrote: lol do you seriously think that the japs only harmed the SOLDIERS here? youre funny. I was talking about Japanese soldiers in the Philippines. I don't understand your eye for an eye mentality. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On November 02 2008 21:45 BlackJack wrote: I wonder if any of you would change your mind if you were actually an American fighting in the pacific. If you were one of the thousands that died at Iwo Jima or Pearl Harbor. If your father's life was on the line fighting a war that started when the Japanese bombed a neutral country. Then see what you say when you're given the option to end the war in a matter of days, have your children or parents return home to you, end American bloodshed in the pacific etc. Truman should have been like, "Hell no, we're in this for the long haul. We're going to fight and die until Japan is ready to surrender. Winning this war without losing anymore American life is great, but not if I'm going to lose the respect of an internet gaming forum 60 years from now." As Hotbid, Frolix, Mensrea and more have already said it did not save lives. Anyone who has read anything on the subject that is not american highschool text books will tell you so. The bombs were dropped because they needed testing under real conditions and since you were luckily still officially at war that was the perfect excuse. I must admit _I_ as a Swede was 100% convinced the bombings were justified right until I started doing some reading on the subject. _That_ is how succesful the propaganda stunt was. And you lost the respect of much, much more than a gaming forum. | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On November 02 2008 22:27 KlaCkoN wrote: As Hotbid, Frolix, Mensrea and more have already said it did not save lives. Anyone who has read anything on the subject that is not american highschool text books will tell you so. The bombs were dropped because they needed testing under real conditions and since you were luckily still officially at war that was the perfect excuse. I must admit _I_ as a Swede was 100% convinced the bombings were justified right until I started doing some reading on the subject. _That_ is how succesful the propaganda stunt was. And you lost the respect of much, much more than a gaming forum. umm... yes it saved American lives... | ||
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
On November 02 2008 22:20 Klockan3 wrote: So, how could ww2 have been avoided if the USA had any other policies? Edit: Or are you pacifists saying that the USA should have totally stayed out of the war altogether and therefore we would today have a world still in chaos? Dude im not a fucking pacifist its just an arguable but very justifiable statement that the US nuked Japan so that they can show it off to the soviets and intimidate them, if their policies (of course the soviets had a lot to do in this as well) would have been stronger and not as dumb, the Cold War, though it might of been inevitable given the ideologies, wouldnt of impacted the world as it did, and therefore nuking japan for this kind of shit is absolutely unforgivible Edit: Obviously this is completely arguable, just stating my opinion based on nuke = intimidate soviets, not really ''put an end to the war'' and I think that this statement is completely valid, however again its not a fact so...=] | ||
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luiohh
Bangladesh78 Posts
On November 02 2008 22:31 Archaic wrote: If the US just timed their nukes better to hit the peon lines, or even their tech, then the second nuke wouldn't be needed. Yeah Japan should have gged earlier once its proxy rush failed and US's macro kicked in, but US was bm to use nukes nonetheless | ||
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Zuries
United Kingdom156 Posts
If you vote yes you are probably moronic,or an media brainwashed american idiot (most likely). America did this to show off and to cement their future dominance. Clear idiocy... | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
On November 02 2008 21:45 BlackJack wrote: I wonder if any of you would change your mind if you were actually an American fighting in the pacific. If you were one of the thousands that died at Iwo Jima or Pearl Harbor. If your father's life was on the line fighting a war that started when the Japanese bombed a neutral country. Then see what you say when you're given the option to end the war in a matter of days, have your children or parents return home to you, end American bloodshed in the pacific etc. Truman should have been like, "Hell no, we're in this for the long haul. We're going to fight and die until Japan is ready to surrender. Winning this war without losing anymore American life is great, but not if I'm going to lose the respect of an internet gaming forum 60 years from now." I don't think I would since I don't think it did help save lives. But lets say that it did. I think its a stupid argument. It's like an argument for capital punishment. If someone murdered my father then ofc I would want him to die too. But if I was a victim to a crime like that then I wouldn't be in a position to make a judgment like that. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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