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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:19 deesee wrote: Are you pro-anarchy? I am. @EletricJesus lol. No surprise there, chances of dying in a terrorist attack are the same as the chances of dying from the ineffective and humiliating security measure. Hail the state. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
losing your dignity has nothing to do with the random security guy watching, it has everything to do with your innocence getting raped. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
Yeah there are several sources all over the place. If you want a one stop shop check out pilots for 9/11 truth or architects and engineers for 9/11 truth. Alex Jones is a horrible source so don't bother with anything from him. Also look into building 7 or just check out the videos of it collapsing and try to tell yourself it wasn't a demolition. Another good one is the mossad agents documenting the twin tower collapses and then being deported to Israel without a real investigation as to what they were doing and how they knew it was going to happen. They were working for a mossad front company called urban moving systems that fled to Israel when the FBI attempted to investigate them. They also had another moving van that was pulled over and arrested in addition to the ones caught documenting 9/11 and the van was found to have explosive residue, they were also deported to Israel. There is really so much evidence it's hard to even begin, books have been written about this. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On November 19 2010 00:26 Msrobinson wrote: When everyone is naked, it isn't losing your dignity, to think that is immature and stupid. What, will some airport security guy, who does this thing for a living, make fun of your small boobs or weirdly shaped sack? First off, I doubt it highly. Contrary to popular belief, you aren't the most important thing in the world, and very few people actually care about your naked body. Second off, I agree with this stuff, I'd rather deal with a quick body scan, which doesn't mean anything to anyone, rather than deal with a terrorist on my flight. So if you had to go completely naked through a scanner, that would be alright aswell? Or lets say that the guard had to search you, while you were wearing nothing but your socks, that would be fine since "it isnt losing your dignity". It is more likely that you get struck by lightning and die, than to get killed by terrorists, so why arent we walking around with lightning rods? I dont get why people are so afraid of terrorists. And lets just say for a moment that a terrorist decided to bomb a flight, you dont think he could get past some body scanner if he planned it well enough? He obviously could if he really wanted to, and had the resources. You obviously do need some security, but this is just taking it too far, and it's only giving people a false sense of security. The reason i dont like this is not because they see my stuff, it's just because it's an inconvinience that does absolutely nothing, costs alot of money that might have been spent elsewhere. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:19 deesee wrote: Are we suggesting that these body scanners are on the road to establishing an evil "gulag" state? doesn't that imply that the identity checking and passports are also leading to the same thing? Won't that all just lead back to arguing to get rid of every sort of verification and security procedure? After all, if we're being 'told' we need to do this or that by the government...well, it must be one step towards the end of freedom. Are you pro-anarchy? I'm suggesting we are already WELL down that road and the body scanners are just a stop along the way. What does pro-anarchy have to do with this? That is a red herring. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:24 Romantic wrote: I am. @EletricJesus lol. No surprise there, chances of dying in a terrorist attack are the same as the chances of dying from the ineffective and humiliating security measure. Hail the state. Yeah. The chances are so low. The security is going to try to make it to none, but I don't think it's possible. Even if no one fussed about it, someone would find a way to circumvent the system. @ Treemonkeys: If you end up being right, I plan to move away from America soon anyway. So hopefully I'll be out by the time America is full of labor camps  | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:31 Ferrose wrote: Yeah. The chances are so low. The security is going to try to make it to none, but I don't think it's possible. Even if no one fussed about it, someone would find a way to circumvent the system. @ Treemonkeys: If you end up being right, I plan to move away from America soon anyway. So hopefully I'll be out by the time America is full of labor camps Historically by the time it's obvious that I'm right, they won't be letting people out. So hopefully soon is really soon.  | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
Unless you think reptilians or the illuminati or whatever it is are behind this. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:32 Treemonkeys wrote: Historically by the time it's obvious that I'm right, they won't be letting people out. So hopefully soon is really soon. Let's hope I can earn a four year Bachelor's degree in a few months. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:34 Romantic wrote: Treemonkey, you've got it all wrong man. They can't make money off of you if you are in a labor camp. Unless you think reptilians or the illuminati or whatever it is are behind this. I never said anything about labor camps. Money is a means to an end to these people, not a goal. Power is the goal. We are talking about same people that run currencies, they already have as much money as they could possibly want. | ||
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deesee
Australia54 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:30 Treemonkeys wrote: I'm suggesting we are already WELL down that road and the body scanners are just a stop along the way. What does pro-anarchy have to do with this? That is a red herring. Just getting a feel for who I'm talking with. On November 19 2010 00:26 Msrobinson wrote: It is more likely that you get struck by lightning and die, than to get killed by terrorists, so why arent we walking around with lightning rods? Pretty sure if we did that, we would definitely be more likely to be struck by lightning. At least I'm hearing more than complaints about prying eyes now. I still think that, at the end of the day, (even if it is another step in the march to mankind's enslavement) the body scanner is not an issue enough to worry about specifically on the basis that it contributes to the eventual end of freedom. The government on the other hand... | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:45 deesee wrote: Just getting a feel for who I'm talking with. Pretty sure if we did that, we would definitely be more likely to be struck by lightning. At least I'm hearing more than complaints about prying eyes now. I still think that, at the end of the day, (even if it is another step in the march to mankind's enslavement) the body scanner is not an issue enough to worry about specifically on the basis that it contributes to the eventual end of freedom. The government on the other hand... I agree. I wouldn't even consider it a problem if we had reasonable and peaceful government, we just don't | ||
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:28 Treemonkeys wrote: Yeah there are several sources all over the place. If you want a one stop shop check out pilots for 9/11 truth or architects and engineers for 9/11 truth. Alex Jones is a horrible source so don't bother with anything from him. Also look into building 7 or just check out the videos of it collapsing and try to tell yourself it wasn't a demolition. Another good one is the mossad agents documenting the twin tower collapses and then being deported to Israel without a real investigation as to what they were doing and how they knew it was going to happen. They were working for a mossad front company called urban moving systems that fled to Israel when the FBI attempted to investigate them. They also had another moving van that was pulled over and arrested in addition to the ones caught documenting 9/11 and the van was found to have explosive residue, they were also deported to Israel. There is really so much evidence it's hard to even begin, books have been written about this. Oh ma lawd. "It looks like a demolition, it must be a demolition! And I've seen plenty of building collapses caused by plane debris flying into buildings, so I must be right! It looks like a controlled demolition, god damn it!" Now, why would whoever orchestrated this inside job need to destroy a little 47 story building in addition to one of the biggest landmarks in New York? They wouldn't. If they wanted to create a scene and uproar then they already have by flying two commercial airliners into massive skyscrapers. Why would they demolish a completely separate building? Can you not see that the most rational and logical explanation is that some plane debris fell down and caused it to collapse? Yes or no? Please answer. I am perfectly willing to accept that the government orchestrated 9/11 if you show me proof, I fully believe that they are capable and willing to do something like that, but please stop with the building 7 nonsense. | ||
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howerpower
United States619 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:28 Treemonkeys wrote: Yeah there are several sources all over the place. If you want a one stop shop check out pilots for 9/11 truth or architects and engineers for 9/11 truth. Alex Jones is a horrible source so don't bother with anything from him. Also look into building 7 or just check out the videos of it collapsing and try to tell yourself it wasn't a demolition. Another good one is the mossad agents documenting the twin tower collapses and then being deported to Israel without a real investigation as to what they were doing and how they knew it was going to happen. They were working for a mossad front company called urban moving systems that fled to Israel when the FBI attempted to investigate them. They also had another moving van that was pulled over and arrested in addition to the ones caught documenting 9/11 and the van was found to have explosive residue, they were also deported to Israel. There is really so much evidence it's hard to even begin, books have been written about this. It must be true, we have BOOKS!!! Join the revolution, There's dozens of us, literally dozens! | ||
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
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Electric.Jesus
Germany755 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:45 deesee wrote: Just getting a feel for who I'm talking with. Pretty sure if we did that, we would definitely be more likely to be struck by lightning. At least I'm hearing more than complaints about prying eyes now. I still think that, at the end of the day, (even if it is another step in the march to mankind's enslavement) the body scanner is not an issue enough to worry about specifically on the basis that it contributes to the eventual end of freedom. The government on the other hand... I think the problem in many western democracies is that there is a tendency to increase control by means of observation, storing telecommunication data, dragnet investigation, undercover-agents inciting peple to publish terror-threats on youtube (so happened in germany this week), PATRIOT act, jailing people without warrants, etc. The isse is that our freedom is taken away in tiny bits, so every new measure does not feel like much of a loss. The best metaphor is cooking a frog. If you increase the water temperature slowly enough, you can boil the frog and he wont notice until its too late. Also, the people have to draw the line somewhere. When you do not have a problem with body scanners how can you justifiy being against the government reading your browser history every day or wiretapping your phone? And its not like this is all paranoia. In Germany, the government wanted ot istalle a computer virus on all Computers in Germany (the so called Bundes-Trojaner) and they wanted to make a law that all personal communication data must be stored for 6 months regardless of a probabale cause. The latter law was, thankfully, stopped by the german equivalent to the supreme court. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On November 19 2010 01:58 dinmsab wrote: So some people would believe in sending troops to their deaths in iraq/afghanistan to fight terrorism but don't believe that terrorists are a large enough threat to justify these scanners. Oh man.. something is definitely wrong here. I understand that these precautions might be an overkill, but hey.. if it works and guarantees no bombs get on board a plane then seriously, why not? Sure the chances are that YOU won't be the one who would die in a plane hijacking but that doesn't mean it's ok if another person dies instead. So get over it, nobody wants to see you naked anyway unless they are paid to do so. You would have made a good Soviet Commissar. The dear leaders only grudgingly humiliate and control you XD | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
On November 19 2010 02:03 Romantic wrote: You would have made a good Soviet Commissar. The dear leaders only grudgingly humiliate and control you XD I would object if they wanted to take a look at my telephone bills, or browsing history.. but seeing a distorted image of what doesn't look like me naked? Nah, considering the good reasons behind it i don't seem to mind at all. Is it humiliating? Maybe for some ugly people.. control over you? That's a bit far-fetched. | ||
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Narwhal
United Kingdom314 Posts
On November 19 2010 02:08 revy wrote: A society willing to trade freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. true story, however. I'm pretty sure the average person doesn't even get a look in when it comes to this kind of stint being that the world is in such huge danger from terrorism, the problems go further back. | ||
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