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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
On July 27 2008 00:41 ForAdun wrote: Oh gawd. I so want to see you wearing a real knight's armor and then swing the shield in all glory. I'd take the bet your face hits the ground first. I probably will. Lol. You wouldn't wan't me in your army I'm horrible. | ||
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
On July 27 2008 00:02 Luhh wrote: Knight of course. No contest. Better armor - only a little heavier, but in this case negligable since it's a duel and not a marathon. Deflecting platemail, ring mail, padding for blunt trauma. better training - not just fencing and swordplay, but even good old fashioned grappling and pummeling. more diverse arsenal - hammer, shield, dagger (when grappling and going for the slits in the armor), longsword, broadsword, all depending on scenario. Take the good old longsword, only weighs like 30% more than the katana (1.3 kg), you can grip down on it (on the blade) if in close quarters, you can use it as a hammer, sharp pointed for piercing etc. It's not primarily used for slashing. bigger and stronger. In just about all categories the samurai loses out, but the most important one is size and strength, especially since they are both armored. Bigger and stronger usually wins. one thing i would bet on is that a samurai could take a knight in hand to hand combat, Jujutsu evolved among the samurai of feudal Japan as a method for dispatching an armed and armored opponent in situations where the use of weapons was impractical or forbidden, and i think that beats someone trying to punch you to death. also regardless of what you may have seen in movies the samurai dont fight just with the katana, they also had the wakizashi blade and the tanto, wich are a smaller sword and a dagger, they also knew how to fight with a naginata and a yari, and practiced kyujutsu (bow skill) and skill with a longbow was very important to them, and they didnt have just one type of armor. so no, the samurai does not lose in every category | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
Actually their swords were so delicate they broke if the other guy was wearing armor. And not even metal-based armor like european knights, but mongols leathers kinda stuff. However having europeans travel all the way to japan back then would not yield them good results, heck going towards the middle east was hard enough. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12843 Posts
It's like comparing tanks now versus 50 years ago. I suspect the Asian vote will carry the Samurai though. I guess their ideals are more "romantic". | ||
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sqwert
United States781 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14892 Posts
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Loverman
Romania266 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
The samurai initially only came into combat with the Mongols, a documentary on the BBC showed that they were beaten badly in combat. The samurai didn't have any real combat experience til the 16th century clashes with China. Meanwhile Knights were engaged all over Europe. Take for example the Hundred Years' War. Cannons, firearms, the mighty longbow; all sorts of tactics were employed. The samurai would have been no match for English Longbowman let alone the Knights. | ||
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Ceril
Sweden1343 Posts
Rapier combat is more sophisticated then most. An evolution springing from gunnery making armor more of a burden then protection, with less armor rapiercombat flourished as a counter to old mainly slashing weapons still employed. | ||
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ydg
United States690 Posts
The Frankish Knight always triumphs over the Japanese Samurai. Perhaps it is because the Knight has 120 HP while the Samurai only has 60. Or it could be because the Samurai has a base attack of 8, while the Knight has a base attack of 10. Or that the Samurai has a base armor of 1, while the Knight has one of 2. | ||
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_PulSe_
United States541 Posts
In the hundred years war the longbow was the knights most feared opponent as it was so powerful that if it hit anywhere at all fragile it was going straight through the armor and ring mail. Also the knights mobility was practically zero. They were walking tanks meant for soaking up damage and just plowing through however if they fell over they were wearing 80+ lbs of gear the they could not get back up. Samurai on the other hand prided themselves in how they could be extremely mobile in the their armor and much more so on horseback. I believe in a a 1v1 duel the knight would have an advantage however i believe in a battle the samurai would win because of the strategic advantage of an extremely mobile infantry. Duel= knight>samurai Battle=Samurai>knight | ||
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
Didn't vote, but I'd have to say Knights because all the pro-Knights seem more convincing than the pro-Samurai. | ||
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ydg
United States690 Posts
all the samurais died. *tries elite samurai* okay 2 knights died but all the samurai did too on a 2v1 (elite samurai vs knight), both samurais lived. 4v2, all 4 lived. 5v2, one samurai died. 2v2, one knight lived. 3v2, two samurai lived. I supposed the samurai's strength lies in numbers, since they cost less. Nevermind, when they aren't elite, the knights always win, except in the 5v2, where three survive. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On July 27 2008 01:56 _PulSe_ wrote: You guys forget about the samurai's extensive training with longbows and the fact that they would have had stirrups by that time frame. In the hundred years war the longbow was the knights most feared opponent as it was so powerful that if it hit anywhere at all fragile it was going straight through the armor and ring mail. Also the knights mobility was practically zero. They were walking tanks meant for soaking up damage and just plowing through however if they fell over they were wearing 80+ lbs of gear the they could not get back up. Samurai on the other hand prided themselves in how they could be extremely mobile in the their armor and much more so on horseback. I believe in a a 1v1 duel the knight would have an advantage however i believe in a battle the samurai would win because of the strategic advantage of an extremely mobile infantry. Duel= knight>samurai Battle=Samurai>knight "Samurai on the other hand prided themselves in how they could be extremely mobile in the their armor and much more so on horseback." You are ill-informed if you believe that. The Samurai armor was just as heavy and Knights were extremely adept on Horseback. Knights were also much better practiced at Calvary charges, highly trained with the deadly lance. Furthermore, if you wish to consider battles you have to assume the Knights would bring peasant archers with them. That negates their need to be proficient with bows, and gives them more time to train on horseback and in duels. Then you have Knights > Samurai in close quarters and in mounted horseback charges. English/Welsh Longbowman > Samurai bowman at range. European combat was more advanced. | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
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ydg
United States690 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11545 Posts
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
On July 27 2008 02:22 ydg wrote: The janissaries also used guns. hahahaha oh yeahhhhhh! rofl whoops forget my post :D and ughh its not just the asians who vote for samurai well maybe it is maybe its a coincidence that im asian myself but i just think that samurai would win so sue me | ||
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
The German, French and English nobleman destroyed them when they met at Rhodes. Siege of Rhodes Although the Knights had to retreat eventually they lost only 2,000 men to the Turks 64,000! That's an ass-wooping even the Spartans would be proud of. I don't know where this myth that Knights aren't trained comes from, it's completely unfounded. Knights are the nobles, chosen for their prowess in battle. Equipped in very expensive armor, highly trained in many weapons and experienced in battle. They are not mal-nurished peasants. | ||
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