|
On July 26 2008 17:22 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2008 17:09 aseq wrote:
"(some high-ranking 16th century samurai lords actually owned pieces of contemporary European armor, gifts and purchases which they even wore into battle -they did not prize them merely as exotica)"
The knight, easily. He's a foot taller and his blows are way harder. Put Bruce Lee vs Semmy Schilt in a boxing ring and see whether size matters. Bruce Lee beat Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Point proven. Kwark, I knew Henry was pretty big but I thought he was a rare exception. No idea Peter the Great was that huge. Being on horse back kills agility even further and then all you have to do is go after the horse's legs. Cavalry works great in mass melee, but 1 on 1 I don't think it'd be much of an advantage.
You can't just go for a horse's legs. if you don't keep your sword the knight will slice your head off
|
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On July 26 2008 17:04 zgl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2008 15:01 Instigata wrote:
Mongols owned them both. Tsunami saved Japs, Kahn's death and tradition saved Europe. Longrange bow owns. Mage > Mongols > Knights, Samurai
hurricanes to be precise~
but it's their fault for repeatedly attempting invasions during hurricane season during the summer~ 
You know "Kamikaze" comes from these exact winds that saved their asses so many times haha.
On July 26 2008 18:18 haduken wrote:
Umm... you people don't seem to realise that samurai at their prime use bows/arrows and early gun powder weapons + kantanas... and they had a lot of trained support troops etc...
don't believe... look up invasion of Korea.
that gun was imported from the west during the Nobunaga conquest years, so for comparable time periods the west was always ahead of japan. (iirc there was a time when china was ahead of the west tho)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanegashima
|
On July 26 2008 16:16 MeriaDoKk wrote:Watch Kenshin Himura and his "amakakeroriurokiamehi" (or something like that xD) if you wanna know 
"amakakeru ryu no hirameki" Say that 20 times with your mouth full and you'lll start to believe anime samurais could beat anime knights.
lol @ the AOE2 reference.. you guys crack me up.
|
United States22883 Posts
On July 26 2008 18:33 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2008 17:04 zgl wrote:On July 26 2008 15:01 Instigata wrote:
Mongols owned them both. Tsunami saved Japs, Kahn's death and tradition saved Europe. Longrange bow owns. Mage > Mongols > Knights, Samurai hurricanes to be precise~ but it's their fault for repeatedly attempting invasions during hurricane season during the summer~ You know "Kamikaze" comes from these exact winds that saved their asses so many times haha. Show nested quote +On July 26 2008 18:18 haduken wrote:
Umm... you people don't seem to realise that samurai at their prime use bows/arrows and early gun powder weapons + kantanas... and they had a lot of trained support troops etc...
don't believe... look up invasion of Korea. that gun was imported from the west during the Nobunaga conquest years, so for comparable time periods the west was always ahead of japan. (iirc there was a time when china was ahead of the west tho) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanegashima
It came from the West, but like cars and everything else, when Japan went gun crazy they were making the finest guns on earth.
|
On July 26 2008 18:33 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2008 16:16 MeriaDoKk wrote:Watch Kenshin Himura and his "amakakeroriurokiamehi" (or something like that xD) if you wanna know "amakakeru ryu no hirameki" Say that 20 times with your mouth full and you'lll start to believe anime samurais could beat anime knights. lol @ the AOE2 reference.. you guys crack me up.
No anime knights are super fucking holy or something have wings etc lol its anime all samurai can do is studio shit like slice though rock with a sword (yeah that keeps it sharp) and move faster then light and don't wear armor but it doesn't matter cuz they move faster then light.
Anime knight = ANGEL lol imo
|
I loved Aoe 2!
Huns were overpowered though.
|
i just realized aoe2 siege weapons outrange siege tanks from sc by a ton.
|
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On July 26 2008 18:33 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2008 16:16 MeriaDoKk wrote:Watch Kenshin Himura and his "amakakeroriurokiamehi" (or something like that xD) if you wanna know "amakakeru ryu no hirameki" Say that 20 times with your mouth full and you'lll start to believe anime samurais could beat anime knights. lol @ the AOE2 reference.. you guys crack me up.
Tokyotokkyokyokakyoku (Tokyo Patent Authorizatoin Office) is harder.
So is Namuginamagomenamatamago (raw weat raw rice raw egg)
|
On July 26 2008 15:01 Instigata wrote:
Mongols owned them both. Tsunami saved Japs, Kahn's death and tradition saved Europe. Longrange bow owns.
true that.
btw. vietnam pwned the mongol invasion 3 times.
|
Skill
Some knights were trained from the day they could walk. Could do backflips and shit. Fighting on foot would only happen in siege situations. Them he would switch to a lighter sword or mace with shield. They wouldn't just let themselves get worn down. So I think its a draw. Unless someone breaks his sword.
Other knight were fat and lazy and old. They were never bothered to train because they were rich as fuck or their county was boring as fuck and never saw any action. And let their bodyguards do all the fighting.
Length
The average length of the European man was little over 5 feet. Nobility was taller but not by much. Charles the Great. Godfried of Boulion and other famous knights were freakishly large for that time. They were exceptions. If you have been to medievel castles you will notice that every door and staircase is cramped. Im 6'4 and almost crawled.
Battle
What armies are we talking about. Archers. Pikemen. men at arms. Conscript peasants with pichforks. I don't see a samuraui army surviving a frontal attack from knights in open dry terrain (some armies had horses with armour as well). Then we have archers and pikemen employed by both.
It all comes down to gear. Terrain/setting. Wich era. The individual samurai/knight If the knight is wearing odd socks or not etc.
|
United States42109 Posts
On July 26 2008 19:58 KaasZerg wrote:
Length
The average length of the European man was little over 5 feet. Nobility was taller but not by much. Charles the Great. Godfried of Boulion and other famous knights were freakishly large for that time. They were exceptions. If you have been to medievel castles you will notice that every door and staircase is cramped. Im 6'4 and almost crawled.
Unless you want to argue that the medieval nobility were malnourished you're going to have to explain why they'd be any shorter than the people of today. The peasants were malnourished and overworked from a young age which gives a low average height but average doesn't apply to the nobility.
|
I thought we were talking 1v1 here, on foot, both only yielding their main weapon, so sword/shield vs 1 katana or katana and shoto (or possibly 2 katana). I still think the knight would bulldoze the samurai.
Oh and Jibba, Japan may have produced good guns later on, idk much about that, but in 1600 europe were still way ahead in gun production and gun quality.
|
I read the article http://www.thearma.org/essays/knightvs.htm but I don't agree with the conclusion.
If you take the best from both sides you get a 6foot European Knight, extremely skilled with a bastard sword and shield in very good and maneuverable armour, against a 5,5 Samurai with less armor, less battle experience and a shorter sword.
The Knight is going to steamroll him.
Then if we extrapolate and start talking about groups of combatants it gets even worse for the Samurai. They are just gonna get pushed into a corner and slashed to pieces.
|
in a 1v1 I don't see the samurai winning this, the knight can strike harder and take more hits and so has better weapon and armor while the samurai has lower tech gears. In a 1v1 a Knight would surely win.
|
Almost like knight vs samurai:
|
I think we need to analyze a Shanghai Knight to realize that even Knights had great swordplay.
Samurai would need adrenal glands to outdo the armor bonus of a Knight.
Extrapolating from The Last Samurai, even one white dude became the epitome of a master Samurai after little training. Clearly, white dudes are better at swordplay than any asian.
|
can samurais shoot with their bows through platemail?
|
Samurai, and Knights were the same thing... -_- Grunts.
|
Can Samari run? I mean if he runs then Knights are useless cuz he'll be like "huk huk armour"
|
United States22883 Posts
On July 26 2008 20:10 aseq wrote:
I thought we were talking 1v1 here, on foot, both only yielding their main weapon, so sword/shield vs 1 katana or katana and shoto (or possibly 2 katana). I still think the knight would bulldoze the samurai.
Oh and Jibba, Japan may have produced good guns later on, idk much about that, but in 1600 europe were still way ahead in gun production and gun quality.
Japan banned guns in the 1600s, but they were producing like crazy before then.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](http://i34.tinypic.com/13ygikk.gif)
![[image loading]](http://thecia.com.au/reviews/s/images/shanghai-knights-4.jpg)
