I was out having a smoke, pondering in my thoughts and started thinking about time travel. Suppose we made a time machine, which according to some recent study, is very possible and people are already making time travel machines which should theoretically work using lasers to bend matter in a circle, creating a "worm hole" which should allow you to go back in time. But theoretically, it will only allow you to go back as far as the time that the machine was turned on. This doesn't conflict with my idea though.
So here is my theory, suppose you could go back in time. Now say you have a 100$ bill sitting on a table for a year or so. You pick up the 100$ and then go back in time, with the 100$ in your wallet, to the end of that year when the 100$ bill is sitting on the table. Theoretically, since at that point in time, since you still haven't moved the 100$, it should still be there on the table, with it being in your pocket as well.
I figure you could repeat this process, always moving a little bit further back in time to pick up the 100$ bill, basically duplicating it through time travel over and over. Theoretically you would have to move a little bit further back in time because if you return to a time which is later then a previous time you picked up the 100$ bill, it may not be there at all.
If this works, it could solve all resource problems. You could do this with Metals, Liquids, Gas, Medicine, basically anything.... And what excites me the most about this theory is that we could duplicate anti-matter particles. We can make anti-matter in labs but to make a handful of them would bankrupt the world. Anti-matter is one of, if not the best sources of energy in the universe that we know of and if you could make 1 anti-matter atom and then duplicate it over and over, we could power the world for virtually nothing and make long distance space travel a very real possibility.
On June 19 2008 10:12 G5 wrote: which according to some recent study, is very possible and people are already making time travel machines which should theoretically work using lasers to bend matter in a circle, creating a "worm hole" which should allow you to go back in time. But theoretically, it will only allow you to go back as far as the time that the machine was turned on.
Do you have a source for this? I was arguing about the possibility of time travel with a friend and if you have a valid source I'd like to rub it in his face
On June 19 2008 10:12 G5 wrote: which according to some recent study, is very possible and people are already making time travel machines which should theoretically work using lasers to bend matter in a circle, creating a "worm hole" which should allow you to go back in time. But theoretically, it will only allow you to go back as far as the time that the machine was turned on.
Do you have a source for this? I was arguing about the possibility of time travel with a friend and if you have a valid source I'd like to rub it in his face
the cool part is that the moment you have a working time machine, you won't even have to test it to know that it's working. a dude is just gonna show up inside of it with a shitload of useful stuff
That sounds a lot safer than going back in time :p
It's wayyy to far ahead for us to seriously consider this, but probably not the first time someone thought of taking things from the future to benefit the present.
There are two ways to think about time travel possibility: 1) you can go back in time and change things 2) there is only one timeline, so if someone decided to time travel from 2008 to 1954, then during the "original" 1954, that person was there already.
1) seems impossible because the notion of change means the original timeline between the point of departure and destination ceases to exist because you weren't there originally. 2) this seems like the only logically consistent time travel concept, but if time travel were possible, we would have likely met a time traveler already. So it appears we will never discover time travel.
IIRC grandfather paradox is a grandpa travels at near speed of light and comes back after a while, the grandson would be older than grandpa.
The best time travel paradox is this I say:
1) Suppose that something can go faster than speed of light. 2) And that causes it to go back in time.
Now you use this new thing to call someone in Andromeda galaxy. You call at noon, but it goes back in time and reaches you alien girlfriend at 11 AM. When she responds, it comes back to earth at 10 AM!
If you put a gap far enough you're suppose to hear stuff before you are even a cell. XD
Now on your topic. G5:
If you took that money, it would be stealing from this dot. (That's what I'll refer a moment of time because basically one dot in an infinite line, which is what I belive.)
So in your theory, you'll be screwing 1000000 dots to make one better. Also you assume that a series of infinite dots is how time works.
To go even further. If you go back in time to pick up the 100$ bill the 2nd time, with the 1st 100$ bill in your hand. As soon as you pick up the 2nd one, does the 1st one disappear because as soon as you picked it up the 2nd time, it wasn't there for you to pick it up the 1st time. Or does it make another dimension in which case makes the 1st theory plausible. When you go back in time, is there 2 of you in the world? Would you actually be cloning yourself? I would assume the answer is yes but who knows... It is really mind boggling when you get deep into it.
Why would time travel destroy the physical laws of conservation? There has to be a consequence and logically, it would not only disappear from your wallet upon a double-dipping, but maybe alter your memories, or maybe turn you into a glom of antimatter. If you could take it freely, either the one you already have materialized from nowhere-land, or reality immediately instantiates a parallel thread of reality, identical up to the point where you took the dollar (fork() -> exec() lol).
Either way, something originates instantaneously from nothing. It would make more sense if you imploded.
And there's better time paradoxes than this. I cannot fathom time travel as possible.
On June 19 2008 10:49 Wala.Revolution wrote: IIRC grandfather paradox is a grandpa travels at near speed of light and comes back after a while, the grandson would be older than grandpa.
This is wrong.
It says a man travels back in time and kills his grandfather before the grandfather meets the grandmother. The paradox is that the grandparents wont conceive the man's father and thus he will never exist. This is the same thing that was examined in "Back to the Future" in which Marty's parents are in danger of never meeting and thus Marty starts "fading away" from existence. And this is why I rejected the notion of "change" in time travel, because paradoxes like these arise. If someone did time travel to a certain point in time, he was always there at that time.
One movie that gets this right is the original Terminator. In the "present" 1984, Reese travels back from the future to save Sarah Conner. It was not the case that the original 1984 passed, there were no terminators, and then something happened and the Terminators decided to go back and change the past so 1984 had a "re-do". 1984 ALWAYS had Reese and the Terminator. One funny thing about this, though, is that since this timeline cannot be changed, and John Connor existed in the future, it is a certainty that Sarah Conner survived. So if you think about it, Sarah Conner doesn't need to run from the Terminator because it's already set that she survives. But she doesn't know that, and neither does John, and that's why Sarah survives.
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