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Belgium8305 Posts
On December 21 2007 04:13 Hawk wrote:
I've done shrooms plenty of times and they are insanely awesome, but I'm afraid to do LSD or acid. I juts can't imagine a more intense and longer trip =p
it's not necessarily more intense and i find the overall experience to be a little more enjoyable
you can always try half a dose at first and see where that takes you!
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2CI IS INSANE, NEVER DO IT PLEASE.
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Am I the only one who pictures Last Romantic as getting high before every KTF match? I figure it's the only way he can make it through hahahaha.
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On December 21 2007 04:35 vGl-CoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2007 04:13 Hawk wrote:
I've done shrooms plenty of times and they are insanely awesome, but I'm afraid to do LSD or acid. I juts can't imagine a more intense and longer trip =p
it's not necessarily more intense and i find the overall experience to be a little more enjoyable you can always try half a dose at first and see where that takes you!
Liek what's the difference though? I only know of a few friends personally who've done it and they described LSD as having more bright lights and sounds etc. More of a clean trip, where you can see very graphic hallucinations.
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Many drug users, particularly users of the more intense mind altering drugs (the psychedelics such as mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, DMT, and so on) will tell you that drug use is the ticket to enlightenment, great insight, information, and so on.
It is true that the more powerful psychedelic drugs can deliver all kinds of powerful experiences. But it is also true that you do not need drugs to gain insight or enlightenment. People have gained wisdom, insight, and enlightenment for thousands of years without drugs. I would argue that it is far better to learn yourself and your world directly, soberly, than through a drug.
It is not that I am squarely against psychedelics either. I have used them, and it is possible I will use them in the future on very rare occasion. But to embrace drugs as the ticket to wisdom and deep experience is very foolhardy.
These drugs, and we should include weed in this discussion, can give powerful experiences, but for all that they MAY give, they can also very much take away. They can leave you mentally shattered. They can leave you burned out.
LSD as the ticket to wisdom and enlightenment? Oh... how many hippies and druggies I have known that seemed no wiser than anyone else, despite their many LSD trips and mushroom trips.
Enlightenment and wisdom are written all over how you actively live your life, day by day. How many drug users do you see that are the epitome of enlightenment? Most of them I know are average or below average folks who liked to party a lot. Many are depressed, without any sense of direction, and lonely. They do not inspire me with their thoughts, their "insights," or their way of life.
Enlightenment comes through serious contemplation, dedication, discipline, and work. If you think you can truly touch the deepest things in life through a few drug trips, you are a fool.
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On December 20 2007 20:12 chicken` wrote:
y'all drug victims!
that's bullshit!
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On December 21 2007 09:13 drug_vict1m wrote:that's bullshit!
n1 lol
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Belgium8305 Posts
On December 21 2007 04:45 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2007 04:35 vGl-CoW wrote:On December 21 2007 04:13 Hawk wrote:
I've done shrooms plenty of times and they are insanely awesome, but I'm afraid to do LSD or acid. I juts can't imagine a more intense and longer trip =p
it's not necessarily more intense and i find the overall experience to be a little more enjoyable you can always try half a dose at first and see where that takes you! Liek what's the difference though? I only know of a few friends personally who've done it and they described LSD as having more bright lights and sounds etc. More of a clean trip, where you can see very graphic hallucinations.
Yeah, the hallucinations are a bit brighter and more vivid, plus it has the effect of making your senses kind of flow into one another, e.g. perceiving a smell as a feeling or vice versa. Also, imo, it gives a more enjoyable bodily feeling and your thoughts tend to run more clearly.
I tend to agree with Inky, although I feel that responsible use of hallucinogenics can definitely bring extra value to a person's life. In my experience, people who have tripped tend to be more relaxed and don't let themselves be stressed out by problems as easily.
I've also seen more than enough examples of the opposite though, where they treat it as a purely recreational thing and they sometimes push themselves over the edge. This is mostly true for minors, though.
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with the amount of hate weed threads get i understand now why theirs no mushroom thread or cocaine thread lol..... kids would get their souls devoured by tlnetters
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On December 21 2007 09:13 drug_vict1m wrote:that's bullshit!
That made me LOL pretty bad. Nice one :D.
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On December 18 2007 20:55 dragoonkf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2007 20:41 MarklarMarklar wrote:
stop for 1-2 months then your body goes back to normal
never go back again
this should work
fix'd really stop smoking, ruins lives =/
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On December 21 2007 04:45 nA.Inky wrote:
Many drug users, particularly users of the more intense mind altering drugs (the psychedelics such as mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, DMT, and so on) will tell you that drug use is the ticket to enlightenment, great insight, information, and so on.
It is true that the more powerful psychedelic drugs can deliver all kinds of powerful experiences. But it is also true that you do not need drugs to gain insight or enlightenment. People have gained wisdom, insight, and enlightenment for thousands of years without drugs. I would argue that it is far better to learn yourself and your world directly, soberly, than through a drug.
It is not that I am squarely against psychedelics either. I have used them, and it is possible I will use them in the future on very rare occasion. But to embrace drugs as the ticket to wisdom and deep experience is very foolhardy.
These drugs, and we should include weed in this discussion, can give powerful experiences, but for all that they MAY give, they can also very much take away. They can leave you mentally shattered. They can leave you burned out.
LSD as the ticket to wisdom and enlightenment? Oh... how many hippies and druggies I have known that seemed no wiser than anyone else, despite their many LSD trips and mushroom trips.
Enlightenment and wisdom are written all over how you actively live your life, day by day. How many drug users do you see that are the epitome of enlightenment? Most of them I know are average or below average folks who liked to party a lot. Many are depressed, without any sense of direction, and lonely. They do not inspire me with their thoughts, their "insights," or their way of life.
Enlightenment comes through serious contemplation, dedication, discipline, and work. If you think you can truly touch the deepest things in life through a few drug trips, you are a fool.
He is absolutly right. They are other ways to gain all this information like meditation, etc, etc...
Thats why i took LSD once, a full doze. I was tripping 24 hours nearly... I was in Rodopy mountain in Bulgaria in the forest. Most of the time i was alone with the idea to go on my deepest spots in my mind. Well i did it. And i am really happy for that. I really know a lot more things now, but people should control their minds, and don't let the mind control your body and hunger for more LSD, for more enlightenment, etc, etc/..
Thats why for me, the drugs aren't bad if you use them wise. Also people should prepare them selfs and they really should know which drug they need to get the experience they need for real life.
Even if i don't like LSD so much i get my enlightenment from it, not from mushrooms. In now days i use only mushrooms and marijuana, but i am open for different trips and ofc - once at a special place for my soul and mind.
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I OD on mescaline Once.
Holy fuck.
H O L Y F U C K
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On December 22 2007 01:48 Coagulation wrote:
I OD on mescaline Once.
Holy fuck.
H O L Y F U C K
do tell =o
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dont remember a whole lot
took 3 tabs and waited for like 2 hours i thought the shit wasnt gonna work and then it hit me like a brick wall. complete loss of all reality and logical thinking. felt like the last 5 minutes of my life was looping over and over forever.. each time gradualy getting higher and higher like a rollercoaster..
and i mean HIGH like fucked up out of your mind high.
and everything melted uncontrollably. it was impossible to focus on something for very long cause it would just melt into nothing and it was very.. frustrating. eventualy i lost all sense of time/space
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InfectedMind says: "He is absolutly right. They are other ways to gain all this information like meditation, etc, etc...
Thats why i took LSD once, a full doze. I was tripping 24 hours nearly... I was in Rodopy mountain in Bulgaria in the forest. Most of the time i was alone with the idea to go on my deepest spots in my mind. Well i did it. And i am really happy for that. I really know a lot more things now, but people should control their minds, and don't let the mind control your body and hunger for more LSD, for more enlightenment, etc, etc/..
Thats why for me, the drugs aren't bad if you use them wise. Also people should prepare them selfs and they really should know which drug they need to get the experience they need for real life.
Even if i don't like LSD so much i get my enlightenment from it, not from mushrooms. In now days i use only mushrooms and marijuana, but i am open for different trips and ofc - once at a special place for my soul and mind."
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I essentially agree with you. It is possible to use psychedelics for deep purposes. The problem is that people too often take a consumerist approach to these drugs. "I'll buy my way to enlightenment." People so often have no respect for what they are getting into.
If you approach enlightenment with hard work and deep contemplation and discipline, your gains will be earned and you will know your capabilities because you will have tested yourself. If you rely on a drug, you may not be ready for the experience you receive, and this can leave you mentally shattered. You played level 10 when you should have been working on level 1 or 2. I believe the internal doors should be opened in sequence, and taking a drug can cause you to do things well out of sequence, with potentially very nasty consequences.
Many of the people who get into these drugs are teenagers. These people do not even have the slightest clue what they are after, because they have virtually no wisdom of their own yet. They think that by dropping some acid or taking some shrooms that all this magical stuff will open to them. It is like a baby playing with a gun. It's too much.
I believe that the psychedelic revolution of the 60's failed because it was carried out so irresponsibly. Drugs can't be expected to do all the work for us. For every one person who uses psychedelics responsibly, how many do not?
So, I do not advocate the use of psychedelics. It is far easier to use them foolishly than it is to use them responsibly.
And yes, when talking about psychedelics, we are getting into the deepest aspects of existence itself. These experiences are profound. Now look on this board, at all the silly words spoken of psychedelics. "I got so high! Lol11111" "oh man, I OD'd on such and such, Lol!1111"
This is stupidity. There is no respect for the power of these drugs.
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stfu inky not everyone does drugs because they want to be "Enlightend" or fucking "Empowerd"
some people just enjoy an altered state of mind.
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On December 22 2007 01:48 Coagulation wrote:
I OD on mescaline Once.
Holy fuck.
H O L Y F U C K
did u speak to lizards
i did
this lizard had an eyeball in his mouth tho so i couldnt really communicate w/ him that much
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Ya i have this same problem too.
It's almost like an anxiety attack. I start to become really paranoid and nervous about everything. I feel like i'm having an "outer-body experience" Everything seems unreal and i feel terrified.
But that's only when i smoke a ridiculous amount with people i don't feel 100% comfortable with. After i took salvia for the first time, my first couple bud sessions after were all like this, but it slowly gradually went away and now once in a while.
I really really really hate when it happens though...you just feel awful in every way.
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On December 22 2007 02:11 Coagulation wrote:
stfu inky not everyone does drugs because they want to be "Enlightend" or fucking "Empowerd"
some people just enjoy an altered state of mind.
No need to be harsh, Coagulation - it's not my goal to piss you off, only to speak in a friendly and intelligent way.
I understand what you are saying. If you use drugs recreationally with good results, I am happy for you. However, what concerns me is the fact that a lot of young people hear how grand these powerful drugs are, and they jump in and start using them without respect for how powerful they really are, and how potentially difficult the aftermath can be.
The mistake many recreational drug users make is assuming that everyone will have a fantastically good time and have good results like they do. The fact is, these drugs can bring out all kinds of latent conditions, and they can cause all kinds of psychological conditions. No one knows who is going to have a problem until the problem is created. Therefore, what I am getting at is that it is irresponsible to take these drugs lightly, even if you do only use them for "an altered state of mind." When people laugh about how high they got, or how fun such and such drug is, they are making it out to be harmless fun, when it is potentially very harmful.
I'm not against skydiving or playing with fire, but you have to know what you are getting into. You have to respect what you are getting into. It is hard to respect something if you don't know anything about it, and if all you hear are druggies talking about how fun it is to get wasted, you aren't going to know anything about drugs. See what I'm saying?
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