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On October 25 2024 15:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2024 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
Why is my little Austria suddenly in his focus now? Because a fascist party came into power, and Musk has made a name for himself supporting fascists such as Trump. Obviously he would support the fascist FPÖ as well and thus he believes every lie that favors our fascist party.
If the mainstream parties had actually done something about the massive amount of third world migration maybe they wouldn't have this problem, this backlash. People are just fed up of the lies and the false promises.Anyway seems the latest thing in Germany is a movement to ban AfD, which is clearly the wrong move.If AfD win a few seats they win a few seats.You have to accept the democratic will of the people in a democratic system otherwise you are the fascist. People would have these views with Musk or without him, you're really overthinking this.
What lies and propaganda are you talking about?? Austria's migration policy is among the more conservative ones and we don't have an "immigrant problem". Explain yourself.
You also acknowledge that Germany has the same problem with its strong move to the far-right AfD. And you're telling me I have to accept that people vote fascist or otherwise I'm a fascist? What even is this reasoning? Do you even read your own comments before you post them?
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In other news TSLA stock was up 22% yesterday in their biggest day in over 10 years. That hideous cybertruck people liked to rake Elon over the coals as a terrible idea is now the 3rd best selling EV in the United States after the Tesla model Y and the Tesla model 3. If the cybertruck were a miserable failure we’d surely give Elon sole blame for it but now that it’s #3 of course Elon had nothing to do with it and it would have been even better without him.
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I made no claim about why the stock is dropping as some overall trend (and I just checked, up 20% today! What happened? :o)
I just said those robots were stupid and fraudulent and that Wall Street agreed.
Again, feel free to provide some constructive posts about why Musk is great, as opposed to attacks on the Australian housing market (?). I mean nobody seems to want to actually tell me that Musk's fake robots weren't stupid, or that he didn't repeatedly oversell FSD, etc etc, so if you won't debate my points you could at least supply some points from the other end. I'll read 'em with an open mind, actually I was pretty neutral on Musk until I learned of his history through that vid.
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On October 25 2024 20:16 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 15:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 24 2024 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
Why is my little Austria suddenly in his focus now? Because a fascist party came into power, and Musk has made a name for himself supporting fascists such as Trump. Obviously he would support the fascist FPÖ as well and thus he believes every lie that favors our fascist party.
If the mainstream parties had actually done something about the massive amount of third world migration maybe they wouldn't have this problem, this backlash. People are just fed up of the lies and the false promises.Anyway seems the latest thing in Germany is a movement to ban AfD, which is clearly the wrong move.If AfD win a few seats they win a few seats.You have to accept the democratic will of the people in a democratic system otherwise you are the fascist. People would have these views with Musk or without him, you're really overthinking this. What lies and propaganda are you talking about?? Austria's migration policy is among the more conservative ones and we don't have an "immigrant problem". Explain yourself. You also acknowledge that Germany has the same problem with its strong move to the far-right AfD. And you're telling me I have to accept that people vote fascist or otherwise I'm a fascist? What even is this reasoning? Do you even read your own comments before you post them?
Unlike Nazi which pretty much reshaped media and pretty drastic violence to actually get rid of opposition.
AFAIK AfD is a legally voted in parties without resorting to those method.
It is actually more harmful to ban AfD since that's pretty much a much bigger direct hit to the democratic system, which set up a pretty horrible precedent.
In particular the entire reason on the AfD popularity rise is caused by the government refusal to accept and act on the issue.
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On October 25 2024 20:15 BlackJack wrote:
I dislike when people try to argue about his companies and his professional competency when it’s obvious they would not be making these arguments if he hadn’t come out as a right winger. If he was a left winger that said all the right things about social justice issues then all the people trashing him would be kissing his ass for saving the planet with his electric vehicles and exploring the solar system.
Although to be fair the same is true for right-wingers that hated him when he was the electric car guy and now love him after he went full MAGA.
Oh so it's just politics for you? That's boring, there's other threads for that.
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On October 25 2024 20:15 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:04 Turbovolver wrote:On October 25 2024 19:48 BlackJack wrote:
Nvidia has a P/E ratio of 65. Another fraud!! Jensen Huang’s cult of personality. Can’t wait for it to go belly up with Tesla just like Theranos which was not a publicly traded company and not subject to the same reporting/auditing standards. This isn't even a response, you just picked one sentence of my post and pointed out a different company with a high P/E that we both know is for completely different reasons. But hey, instead of trying to pwn me with a zinger, why not just make a constructive post sharing what you like about him that makes you wanna sweat for him this hard? Is it just the money and business acumen? Someone in the other thread suggested his ditching fibreglass to go to steel was a genius move, I guess that's something? I dislike when people try to argue about his companies and his professional competency when it’s obvious they would not be making these arguments if he hadn’t come out as a right winger. If he was a left winger that said all the right things about social justice issues then all the people trashing him would be kissing his ass for saving the planet with his electric vehicles and exploring the solar system. Although to be fair the same is true for right-wingers that hated him when he was the electric car guy and now love him after he went full MAGA.
I was full-blown anti-Musk before he came out in support of Trump. My view has been, for at least five years now, that he's a fraud who's fabricated a mythical story around himself. He's a snake oil salesman. He doesn't work much and mostly delegates work to others, blames them for failure, takes ideas others had before him, most of his ideas have failed, etc. etc. I think he's a top fraud and Tesla is absolutely terrible compared to the much safer competition which should be getting way more attention than his failing model.
His support of lies, propaganda and more recently of fascism is what pushed me over the edge and made me create this thread. I didn't mind him when he was just a tech fraud. I became more outspoken when he bought Twitter and silenced people while claiming to defend free speech. Then he mingled in US politics and I realized this man's far more dangerous than I thought. Then he lied about his transgender daughter to fabricate sympathy for himself at her expense. She changed her name by the way. She hates him.
And now Musk attacked Austria because he wants it to be more fascist. So now it's personal. Now I'm on a warpath with him and I hope I can destroy people's perception of this fraud by spreading the truth about his lies and his failures. This is why I made this thread. It's time to destroy this fraud and fascist lover.
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On October 25 2024 20:26 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:16 Magic Powers wrote:On October 25 2024 15:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 24 2024 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
Why is my little Austria suddenly in his focus now? Because a fascist party came into power, and Musk has made a name for himself supporting fascists such as Trump. Obviously he would support the fascist FPÖ as well and thus he believes every lie that favors our fascist party.
If the mainstream parties had actually done something about the massive amount of third world migration maybe they wouldn't have this problem, this backlash. People are just fed up of the lies and the false promises.Anyway seems the latest thing in Germany is a movement to ban AfD, which is clearly the wrong move.If AfD win a few seats they win a few seats.You have to accept the democratic will of the people in a democratic system otherwise you are the fascist. People would have these views with Musk or without him, you're really overthinking this. What lies and propaganda are you talking about?? Austria's migration policy is among the more conservative ones and we don't have an "immigrant problem". Explain yourself. You also acknowledge that Germany has the same problem with its strong move to the far-right AfD. And you're telling me I have to accept that people vote fascist or otherwise I'm a fascist? What even is this reasoning? Do you even read your own comments before you post them? Unlike Nazi which pretty much reshaped media and pretty drastic violence to actually get rid of opposition. AFAIK AfD is a legally voted in parties without resorting to those method. It is actually more harmful to ban AfD since that's pretty much a much bigger direct hit to the democratic system, which set up a pretty horrible precedent. In particular the entire reason on the AfD popularity rise is caused by the government refusal to accept and act on the issue.
What's harmful is not enshrining fundamental rights into law to protect them from a fascist takeover, such as women's right to self-determination in the US. Their rights were not protected, fascists stole their rights, and now they can't get their rights back.
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On October 25 2024 20:24 Turbovolver wrote:
I made no claim about why the stock is dropping as some overall trend (and I just checked, up 20% today! What happened? :o)
I just said those robots were stupid and fraudulent and that Wall Street agreed.
Again, feel free to provide some constructive posts about why Musk is great, as opposed to attacks on the Australian housing market (?). I mean nobody seems to want to actually tell me that Musk's fake robots weren't stupid, or that he didn't repeatedly oversell FSD, etc etc, so if you won't debate my points you could at least supply some points from the other end. I'll read 'em with an open mind, actually I was pretty neutral on Musk until I learned of his history through that vid.
Product demo not being 100% real or even 50% is not rare, at all.
Look at microsoft copilot+ pc demo if you aren't familiar with it and then see what it actually is like.
Or Apple intelligence. (the latest beta finally has chatgpt implemented, but you have to give permission to siri to send the request to chatgpt every single time)
While FSD was not as good as he claimed, but it also is due to regulation stopping them to get real world driving.
China autonomous driving was nowhere close to FSD until the last 5 years, and now it can be pretty close because China is pushing for it to happen and Tesla FSD code is stolen by an ex-employee in China and sold to Xpeng
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On October 25 2024 20:33 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:26 ETisME wrote:On October 25 2024 20:16 Magic Powers wrote:On October 25 2024 15:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 24 2024 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
Why is my little Austria suddenly in his focus now? Because a fascist party came into power, and Musk has made a name for himself supporting fascists such as Trump. Obviously he would support the fascist FPÖ as well and thus he believes every lie that favors our fascist party.
If the mainstream parties had actually done something about the massive amount of third world migration maybe they wouldn't have this problem, this backlash. People are just fed up of the lies and the false promises.Anyway seems the latest thing in Germany is a movement to ban AfD, which is clearly the wrong move.If AfD win a few seats they win a few seats.You have to accept the democratic will of the people in a democratic system otherwise you are the fascist. People would have these views with Musk or without him, you're really overthinking this. What lies and propaganda are you talking about?? Austria's migration policy is among the more conservative ones and we don't have an "immigrant problem". Explain yourself. You also acknowledge that Germany has the same problem with its strong move to the far-right AfD. And you're telling me I have to accept that people vote fascist or otherwise I'm a fascist? What even is this reasoning? Do you even read your own comments before you post them? Unlike Nazi which pretty much reshaped media and pretty drastic violence to actually get rid of opposition. AFAIK AfD is a legally voted in parties without resorting to those method. It is actually more harmful to ban AfD since that's pretty much a much bigger direct hit to the democratic system, which set up a pretty horrible precedent. In particular the entire reason on the AfD popularity rise is caused by the government refusal to accept and act on the issue. What's harmful is not enshrining fundamental rights into law to protect them from a fascist takeover, such as women's right to self-determination in the US. Their rights were not protected, fascists stole their rights, and now they can't get their rights back.
"take over" does not happen in the US when they have constitution.
It can only happen if anyone including the government have the ability to violate the constitution or destroy the democratic process at will to make it impossible to enforce democratic system rendering it meaningless.
I am not sure what self-determination you are talking about.
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On October 25 2024 20:37 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:24 Turbovolver wrote:
I made no claim about why the stock is dropping as some overall trend (and I just checked, up 20% today! What happened? :o)
I just said those robots were stupid and fraudulent and that Wall Street agreed.
Again, feel free to provide some constructive posts about why Musk is great, as opposed to attacks on the Australian housing market (?). I mean nobody seems to want to actually tell me that Musk's fake robots weren't stupid, or that he didn't repeatedly oversell FSD, etc etc, so if you won't debate my points you could at least supply some points from the other end. I'll read 'em with an open mind, actually I was pretty neutral on Musk until I learned of his history through that vid.
Product demo not being 100% real or even 50% is not rare, at all. Look at microsoft copilot+ pc demo if you aren't familiar with it and then see what it actually is like. Or Apple intelligence. While FSD was not as good as he claimed, but it also is due to regulation stopping them to get real world driving.
These are fair points, but so what, are you saying you like him because he's only partially fraudulent?
So far all I've got is "his politics" as a reason to like him. Or is it just an aspirational thing? "I wish I could be super rich and deeply unhappy like Elon Musk?"
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On October 25 2024 20:38 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:33 Magic Powers wrote:On October 25 2024 20:26 ETisME wrote:On October 25 2024 20:16 Magic Powers wrote:On October 25 2024 15:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 24 2024 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
Why is my little Austria suddenly in his focus now? Because a fascist party came into power, and Musk has made a name for himself supporting fascists such as Trump. Obviously he would support the fascist FPÖ as well and thus he believes every lie that favors our fascist party.
If the mainstream parties had actually done something about the massive amount of third world migration maybe they wouldn't have this problem, this backlash. People are just fed up of the lies and the false promises.Anyway seems the latest thing in Germany is a movement to ban AfD, which is clearly the wrong move.If AfD win a few seats they win a few seats.You have to accept the democratic will of the people in a democratic system otherwise you are the fascist. People would have these views with Musk or without him, you're really overthinking this. What lies and propaganda are you talking about?? Austria's migration policy is among the more conservative ones and we don't have an "immigrant problem". Explain yourself. You also acknowledge that Germany has the same problem with its strong move to the far-right AfD. And you're telling me I have to accept that people vote fascist or otherwise I'm a fascist? What even is this reasoning? Do you even read your own comments before you post them? Unlike Nazi which pretty much reshaped media and pretty drastic violence to actually get rid of opposition. AFAIK AfD is a legally voted in parties without resorting to those method. It is actually more harmful to ban AfD since that's pretty much a much bigger direct hit to the democratic system, which set up a pretty horrible precedent. In particular the entire reason on the AfD popularity rise is caused by the government refusal to accept and act on the issue. What's harmful is not enshrining fundamental rights into law to protect them from a fascist takeover, such as women's right to self-determination in the US. Their rights were not protected, fascists stole their rights, and now they can't get their rights back. "take over" does not happen in the US when they have constitution. It can only happen if anyone including the government have the ability to violate the constitution or destroy the democratic process at will to make it impossible to enforce democratic system rendering it meaningless. I am not sure what self-determination you are talking about.
This is the wrong thread for this, you should ask this question in the US politics thread. But I'll explain it briefly, and if you still have a question please move it over to the other thread: women in America used to have full abortion rights. Now they don't. This is because Trump appointed favorable right-wing judges to SCTOUS, which was not part of the democratic process. In this way a democratically elected leader such as Trump can and will break democracy, as we know because he has done it before.
Again, if you have more questions please bring them over to the other thread.
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On October 25 2024 20:42 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:37 ETisME wrote:On October 25 2024 20:24 Turbovolver wrote:
I made no claim about why the stock is dropping as some overall trend (and I just checked, up 20% today! What happened? :o)
I just said those robots were stupid and fraudulent and that Wall Street agreed.
Again, feel free to provide some constructive posts about why Musk is great, as opposed to attacks on the Australian housing market (?). I mean nobody seems to want to actually tell me that Musk's fake robots weren't stupid, or that he didn't repeatedly oversell FSD, etc etc, so if you won't debate my points you could at least supply some points from the other end. I'll read 'em with an open mind, actually I was pretty neutral on Musk until I learned of his history through that vid.
Product demo not being 100% real or even 50% is not rare, at all. Look at microsoft copilot+ pc demo if you aren't familiar with it and then see what it actually is like. Or Apple intelligence. While FSD was not as good as he claimed, but it also is due to regulation stopping them to get real world driving. These are fair points, but so what, are you saying you like him because he's only partially fraudulent? So far all I've got is "his politics" as a reason to like him. Or is it just an aspirational thing? "I wish I could be super rich and deeply unhappy like Elon Musk?"
I mentioned he's extremely unconventional, from production to the product itself.
As someone working in manufacturing and love system design, to even have one of the changes he pushed through is already a sight to behold.
I just don't care much about his political view as much, people get overly obsessed with what he says and love the buzz. Meanwhile you have CEOs like Bernard Arnault, who you probably never heard of, 5000Billion valuation, are making big bucks, no innovation, and staying in background and making big bucks.
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On October 25 2024 20:30 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:15 BlackJack wrote:On October 25 2024 20:04 Turbovolver wrote:On October 25 2024 19:48 BlackJack wrote:
Nvidia has a P/E ratio of 65. Another fraud!! Jensen Huang’s cult of personality. Can’t wait for it to go belly up with Tesla just like Theranos which was not a publicly traded company and not subject to the same reporting/auditing standards. This isn't even a response, you just picked one sentence of my post and pointed out a different company with a high P/E that we both know is for completely different reasons. But hey, instead of trying to pwn me with a zinger, why not just make a constructive post sharing what you like about him that makes you wanna sweat for him this hard? Is it just the money and business acumen? Someone in the other thread suggested his ditching fibreglass to go to steel was a genius move, I guess that's something? I dislike when people try to argue about his companies and his professional competency when it’s obvious they would not be making these arguments if he hadn’t come out as a right winger. If he was a left winger that said all the right things about social justice issues then all the people trashing him would be kissing his ass for saving the planet with his electric vehicles and exploring the solar system. Although to be fair the same is true for right-wingers that hated him when he was the electric car guy and now love him after he went full MAGA. I was full-blown anti-Musk before he came out in support of Trump. My view has been, for at least five years now, that he's a fraud who's fabricated a mythical story around himself. He's a snake oil salesman. He doesn't work much and mostly delegates work to others, blames them for failure, takes ideas others had before him, most of his ideas have failed, etc. etc. I think he's a top fraud and Tesla is absolutely terrible compared to the much safer competition which should be getting way more attention than his failing model. His support of lies, propaganda and more recently of fascism is what pushed me over the edge and made me create this thread. I didn't mind him when he was just a tech fraud. I became more outspoken when he bought Twitter and silenced people while claiming to defend free speech. Then he mingled in US politics and I realized this man's far more dangerous than I thought. Then he lied about his transgender daughter to fabricate sympathy for himself at her expense. She changed her name by the way. She hates him. And now Musk attacked Austria because he wants it to be more fascist. So now it's personal. Now I'm on a warpath with him and I hope I can destroy people's perception of this fraud by spreading the truth about his lies and his failures. This is why I made this thread. It's time to destroy this fraud and fascist lover.
Are you actually Magic because you posted what was in my brain before I clicked on this thread haha :p
It comes frequently from the conservative side of the ledger, Musk was never popular with actual left wing people. Your traditional socialist-leaning or adjacent folks. Liberal, centre-left types, yeah that’s probably fair. Equally at the time, Musk largely shut his trap about many things and was just that ‘tech visionary’ who was pushing green tech and most didn’t even delve too much into the guy.
‘You used to like x before they did y’ is one of the more ridiculous arguments going. It’s almost like they, idk changed or something? You don’t go ‘Yeah but you used to like your ex before they started beating you’
Musk aside, there’s a ton of associated problems with our economic structures and culture that he’s (inadvertently) drawing quite a lot of people into noticing. So I suppose there’s a silver lining of sorts.
Anybody with half a brain could look at Tesla’s various valuations and go, ‘hm, that seems a bit high, what’s going to stop much bigger, established automobile manufacturers from building electric vehicles?’
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Why do you think abortion is a central part of democracy?
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On October 25 2024 20:48 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:42 Turbovolver wrote:
So far all I've got is "his politics" as a reason to like him. Or is it just an aspirational thing? "I wish I could be super rich and deeply unhappy like Elon Musk?" I mentioned he's extremely unconventional, from production to the product itself. As someone working in manufacturing and love system design, to even have one of the changes he pushed through is already a sight to behold. I just don't care much about his political view as much, people get overly obsessed with what he says and love the buzz. Meanwhile you have CEOs like Bernard Arnault, who you probably never heard of, 5000Billion valuation, are making big bucks, no innovation, and staying in background and making big bucks.
Yeah, nobody can say he's not a dreamer and swinging for the fences. If I hadn't been led to believe he was some mega brain for years and years before it turned out that it was more like he's a businessman who's able to navigate the business world and willing to throw that money in some wild directions, maybe I wouldn't react so much to all the hero worship.
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On October 25 2024 20:45 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:38 ETisME wrote:On October 25 2024 20:33 Magic Powers wrote:On October 25 2024 20:26 ETisME wrote:On October 25 2024 20:16 Magic Powers wrote:On October 25 2024 15:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On October 24 2024 22:52 Magic Powers wrote:
Why is my little Austria suddenly in his focus now? Because a fascist party came into power, and Musk has made a name for himself supporting fascists such as Trump. Obviously he would support the fascist FPÖ as well and thus he believes every lie that favors our fascist party.
If the mainstream parties had actually done something about the massive amount of third world migration maybe they wouldn't have this problem, this backlash. People are just fed up of the lies and the false promises.Anyway seems the latest thing in Germany is a movement to ban AfD, which is clearly the wrong move.If AfD win a few seats they win a few seats.You have to accept the democratic will of the people in a democratic system otherwise you are the fascist. People would have these views with Musk or without him, you're really overthinking this. What lies and propaganda are you talking about?? Austria's migration policy is among the more conservative ones and we don't have an "immigrant problem". Explain yourself. You also acknowledge that Germany has the same problem with its strong move to the far-right AfD. And you're telling me I have to accept that people vote fascist or otherwise I'm a fascist? What even is this reasoning? Do you even read your own comments before you post them? Unlike Nazi which pretty much reshaped media and pretty drastic violence to actually get rid of opposition. AFAIK AfD is a legally voted in parties without resorting to those method. It is actually more harmful to ban AfD since that's pretty much a much bigger direct hit to the democratic system, which set up a pretty horrible precedent. In particular the entire reason on the AfD popularity rise is caused by the government refusal to accept and act on the issue. What's harmful is not enshrining fundamental rights into law to protect them from a fascist takeover, such as women's right to self-determination in the US. Their rights were not protected, fascists stole their rights, and now they can't get their rights back. "take over" does not happen in the US when they have constitution. It can only happen if anyone including the government have the ability to violate the constitution or destroy the democratic process at will to make it impossible to enforce democratic system rendering it meaningless. I am not sure what self-determination you are talking about. This is the wrong thread for this, you should ask this question in the US politics thread. But I'll explain it briefly, and if you still have a question please move it over to the other thread: women in America used to have full abortion rights. Now they don't. This is because Trump appointed favorable right-wing judges to SCTOUS, which was not part of the democratic process. In this way a democratically elected leader such as Trump can and will break democracy, as we know because he has done it before. Again, if you have more questions please bring them over to the other thread.
I have a question on what you mean as "self determination", I don't have a question on the debate about "abortion right" where the different state i.e. separation of power comes to play.
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On October 25 2024 20:53 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:48 ETisME wrote:On October 25 2024 20:42 Turbovolver wrote:
So far all I've got is "his politics" as a reason to like him. Or is it just an aspirational thing? "I wish I could be super rich and deeply unhappy like Elon Musk?" I mentioned he's extremely unconventional, from production to the product itself. As someone working in manufacturing and love system design, to even have one of the changes he pushed through is already a sight to behold. I just don't care much about his political view as much, people get overly obsessed with what he says and love the buzz. Meanwhile you have CEOs like Bernard Arnault, who you probably never heard of, 5000Billion valuation, are making big bucks, no innovation, and staying in background and making big bucks. Yeah, nobody can say he's not a dreamer and swinging for the fences. If I hadn't been led to believe he was some mega brain for years and years before it turned out that it was more like he's a businessman who's able to navigate the business world and willing to throw that money in some wild directions, maybe I wouldn't react so much to all the hero worship.
Reality is he is one of the few that reinvented a huge part of business world, in different areas and very successfully. It's not a random dart in the dark, and he pushed for the changes and micro managed a lot.
I get for people who don't really get all that will look like throwing money and get the best team would just create a dozens of tesla/space x that easily.
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On October 25 2024 20:56 ETisME wrote:
Reality is he is one of the few that reinvented a huge part of business world, in different areas and very successfully. It's not a random dart in the dark, and he pushed for the changes and micro managed a lot.
I get for people who don't really get all that will look like throwing money and get the best team would just create a dozens of tesla/space x that easily.
Hmm, perhaps. He does have some big successes under his belt, and also some failures. I have heard for example that a lot of staff feel like they have to work around him, as opposed to with him, but that's not from some viable source I can point to, honestly what makes me inclined to believe it is weird, probably-irrelevant stuff like him being cringy on Twitter (that whole cave rescue thing?)
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On October 25 2024 21:01 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:56 ETisME wrote:
Reality is he is one of the few that reinvented a huge part of business world, in different areas and very successfully. It's not a random dart in the dark, and he pushed for the changes and micro managed a lot.
I get for people who don't really get all that will look like throwing money and get the best team would just create a dozens of tesla/space x that easily. Hmm, perhaps. He does have some big successes under his belt, and also some failures. I have heard for example that a lot of staff feel like they have to work around him, as opposed to with him, but that's not from some viable source I can point to, honestly what makes me inclined to believe it is weird, probably-irrelevant stuff like him being cringy on Twitter (that whole cave rescue thing?)
Like steve jobs then? both are control freaks.
if all you care is personality and good person, and care or rate little about his achievements, then obviously that's not someone you look up to.
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On October 25 2024 21:01 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2024 20:56 ETisME wrote:
Reality is he is one of the few that reinvented a huge part of business world, in different areas and very successfully. It's not a random dart in the dark, and he pushed for the changes and micro managed a lot.
I get for people who don't really get all that will look like throwing money and get the best team would just create a dozens of tesla/space x that easily. Hmm, perhaps. He does have some big successes under his belt, and also some failures. I have heard for example that a lot of staff feel like they have to work around him, as opposed to with him, but that's not from some viable source I can point to, honestly what makes me inclined to believe it is weird, probably-irrelevant stuff like him being cringy on Twitter (that whole cave rescue thing?)
He’s long struck me as a useful figurehead and snake oil salesman to get the money so people who really know what they’re doing can do that cool shit
This isn’t to say he doesn’t have a skill set and is entirely some fraud, but certainly not one meriting the super genius rep
But I do find this somewhat borne out by Twitter era Musk. The more visible, and the more it’s him unilaterally making calls, the more he exposes this.
I don’t doubt he has some vague, high-level knowledge about software and IT hardware above average Joe and Jane. But he’s not a professional in those fields. Which is fine, don’t have to be to do your job, only Musk’s ego saw him try to LARP as one publicly and anyone who even vaguely knows their shit at a professional level could see he was talking out of his arse frequently. Even yours truly and I’m nae a good programmer
If you keep doing that across various other areas, you end up destroying that mythical genius reputation you had.
Which isn’t just reputation for Musk, it’s a very core component of his actual brand and value. A snake oil salesman is very useful to a business, unless the wider public know they’re a snake oil salesman and they become a liability.
I think over time Musk probably collapses his own empire, which is satisfying in a way. The aspects of him and what he represents that I really dislike will be the vessels of his downfall, so there is something poetic about that.
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