EPTI'm thinking of picking up a new hobby. It'll have something to do with rusty nails and scratching strangers in public places, but I haven't got the details down yet. Anyway, kudos to smokers for sharing, very magnanimous of them.
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Doctorasul
Romania1145 Posts
I'm thinking of picking up a new hobby. It'll have something to do with rusty nails and scratching strangers in public places, but I haven't got the details down yet. Anyway, kudos to smokers for sharing, very magnanimous of them. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On October 06 2007 16:07 NoName wrote: because that's life. some people don't wash after wiping. some on public transportation or go to class or work sick with flu. we eat processed food is made with all sorts of artificial chemicals. A little smoke in an outdoor space is nothing. I smelled far worse from trucks, BBQs, paint thinner, my sharpie. you know, people are trying to do something about the things you mentioned. They try to alert people to wash their hands with signs, they encourage people that are sick to stay at home, they are cracking down on fast food chains to provide healthier foods. Is it working? Maybe not. But to shrug and say its life and no one can do anything about it is incorrect. Like Idra said, there just isn't an easy solution atm. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
OT- Trans fats are worthless aren't they? Not only are guns good to protect you from criminal/malicious people with guns, but the government when they overstep their bounds and your rights. | ||
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SilenTLurker
United States250 Posts
On October 06 2007 19:58 CharlieMurphy wrote: Afaik, the reason why they banned smoking in clubs and restaraunts is because the waitresses complained about the second hand smoke and them smelling like smoke etc from being there all day. OT- Trans fats are worthless aren't they? Not only are guns good to protect you from criminal/malicious people with guns, but the government when they overstep their bounds and your rights. It's their choice/problem if they work in a restaurant that allows smoking, isn't it? | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2903 Posts
On October 06 2007 20:15 SilenTLurker wrote: It's their choice/problem if they work in a restaurant that allows smoking, isn't it? Smokers fault for living in a democratic country where the majority doesn't want smoke in their resturants, isn't it? If they want to smoke they can go somewhere else. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6852/50606281kp9.png) wonder why people prefer living online... | ||
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SilenTLurker
United States250 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On October 06 2007 20:24 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: Smokers fault for living in a democratic country where the majority doesn't want smoke in their resturants, isn't it? If they want to smoke they can go somewhere else. That is a shitty argument because every waitress chooses her job, and no citizen chooses his birthplace. If you knew it's a smoking restaurant, why the hell apply for the job? Screw society. The mob is a bunch of apes, and politicians will prohibit anything to lick their asses. "The society is against it" is simply not an argument since the society doesn't even have conscience. Whoever prohibits smoking for me will get fucked in the face, thank you. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
just because you have a disgusting habit doesnt mean we have to put up with its byproducts. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
In my last year of school we weren't allowed to smoke outside under the roof. That means when it rained/snowed you had the choice to not smoke or struggle with the weather. Nowadays pretty much every train station in germany has a smokers zone. A yellow square that's painted on the ground in which smokers are allowed to have a cigarette. I think we've reached a point where things got a bit too far. I'm not proud of having that habit and hell I've tried to quit smoking numerous times, but I just couldn't make it. | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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micronesia
United States24805 Posts
On October 06 2007 19:58 CharlieMurphy wrote: Not only are guns good to protect you from criminal/malicious people with guns, but the government when they overstep their bounds and your rights. Not to mention guns are a safe form of recreation (honestly I don't know of any link between places allowing recreational gun usage and crime going up). On October 06 2007 22:27 skindzer wrote: Im proud of smoking. Why? Troll? | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
Not you too CM. In the first quote, you can see how that ONE study goes against 2-3 decades of non-smoking studies. Scientists (other than the ones who wrote the study) are claiming its a lobbying tool with large problems in methodology and a rather shaky study all-together. Its not a conspiracy by scientists. Scientists dont conspire to hide information. They just don't. And scientists come from far too many backgrounds and countries to be controlled by politicians. You really think when they do a Canadian study that they say "Ok guys, lets make sure we show second hand smoke is bad!" And then independantly, an American group goes "Ok guys, lets make sure we show second hand smoke is bad!" And then in Japan and Norway and Australia or whereever the else they've had these studies. It's stupid. I mean just think about it logically. We have very strong evidence that smoking leads to health problems. We see it with mortality rates and statistics. We see it in experiments (feeding second hand smoke to rats). We pretty much know taking a cigarette, and putting it in your mouth is very bad for your health. Denying this is a big fuck you to all the smokers who have died. Second hand smoke is that same smoke without the filter in the way. Do you really think that's good for you? Look. There is no cover-up and no conspiracy. You might as well be talking about the illuminati. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On October 06 2007 21:46 IdrA wrote: are you dumb? if the majority of the people in a society dont smoke and so dont enjoy inhaling your smog, then yes the society is against it. just because you have a disgusting habit doesnt mean we have to put up with its byproducts. No I am not. Any more intelligent questions? Look, I'm not an anti-social element, whenever I smoke, I try to make it so that people who are near don't get uncomfortable and such, but they are individuals, not a society. Society is easily influenced by whatever is fed to it, be it democracy, sex life propaganda, or an anti-smoking campaign. I do care for individual people. I don't give a complete damn about the society. See the difference? I would never smoke near a woman with a toddler, but if women with toddlers go on the streets and say "stop smoking and hurting us", the only thing they will get from me is "screw you" because I'm not gonna take the responsibility for shitty people who smoke near them. I don't like the idea of levelling and extrapolating the bad habits seen in some smokers on everyone. If you want more insight on how the "society" works, here you are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic It's very close to the smoking situation, although the level of hysteria for smoking might be abit less. And, since you spoke of smog, do you own a car? Do you use air conditioning frequently? Because if you do, stop bitching about me, you hurt the atmosphere much more. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
you admit that you realize smoking has a negative impact on people around you, since you dont do it near women/children, so what problem do you have with banning it in public places? the ban would be for the people who dont know/care and do it anyway. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
The point is that the definition of a public place is so vague. I remember visiting the US where I've had to wait like 16 hours to light a cig just because the JFK airport doesn't have a smoke zone. Boeing 767 is SPECIFICALLY built to have a smoking zone in the lavatory, it is absurd that it even has a special ventilation system for smokers, yet it is not used. And you can't leave the airport when you're scheduled on a connected flight arriving from other country. Some restaurants ban smoking? Ok, I'm just not gonna visit them. But there are nice atmospheric places built specifically for the smoke ambience that are just not gonna work without it. You know, black dyed wooden interior, faded lamps, black mirror tables, live jazz. I love such places. And here you go, some idiot from the government says that ALL restaurants must ban smoking and the ambience of such a place is ruined. I don't see the point, such places aren't being visited by health psychotics anyway. Moving on, is the street a public place? By logical definition, yes. Is your workplace a public place? By logical definition, not always. Yet you are allowed to smoke on the streets and aren't allowed to smoke at your workplace. Any sense? No. | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
So cigs aren't nearly taxed enough right now.  I hate smoking, so I'm pretty cold hearted about a person's "right to have a cheap cig if they want it". Fuck that, you can sign a waiver stating we don't have to use public funds to treat your cancer than. It's retarded. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On October 07 2007 00:13 ManaBlue wrote: The tax on all tabacco products should be directly proportional to the cost we incur in the medical system treating the diseases they cause. So cigs aren't nearly taxed enough right now. I hate smoking, so I'm pretty cold hearted about a person's "right to have a cheap cig if they want it". Fuck that, you can sign a waiver stating we don't have to use public funds to treat your cancer than. It's retarded. Cancer is treated by medical insurance. You pay for insurance. Now where are the public funds? | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On October 07 2007 00:16 BluzMan wrote: Cancer is treated by medical insurance. You pay for insurance. Now where are the public funds? This is for Canada, where a lot of the expenses is covered for you. | ||
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