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Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
October 08 2007 18:45 GMT
#101
Ouch that next post really got me. Guess all the guys at CDC are morons too. Some random guy with no experience in any medical field obviously knows enough to discredit countless studies just like that. Lol.

FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
October 08 2007 18:55 GMT
#102
And I've been talking about outdoor smoke this entire time. =\


Why would I talk about indoor smoke levels when there is a ban on smoking in indoor public places ?
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
October 08 2007 18:56 GMT
#103
Yep, because I said that the upper levels of the medical world were complete morons. That was my implications. For sure.

Dot Dot Dot...
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
October 08 2007 18:57 GMT
#104
Make sure you read the part about cotinine, since you've been arguing theres no way to measure exposure to tobacco smoke without living 24/7 with the people or something, which probably isnt very accurate either cuz they could sneak one when they're in the toilet.

I'll reply if you bring up an interesting point. If you continue this debate as if it were an ego-war, I'll just let you have the last word.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-08 18:59:27
October 08 2007 18:58 GMT
#105
"I think you probably skimmed through my post, because I never said this. If you know people who do, or if people in this thread have, respond to them."

I never said you said this. I said if you honestly believe that there aren't people saying this you should open your ears.
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
October 08 2007 18:59 GMT
#106
On October 09 2007 03:56 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
Yep, because I said that the upper levels of the medical world were complete morons. That was my implications. For sure.

Dot Dot Dot...


Again, you respond to nothing I said.

When you discredit decades of work carried out by doctors from all over the world based solely on your opinion, then you're calling them a lot more than complete morons. Just implicitly.

I wouldve liked this debate a lot more if you'd been a little open minded about it. Oh well.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
October 08 2007 19:00 GMT
#107
And I repeat:

"And I've been talking about outdoor smoke this entire time. =/

Why would I talk about indoor smoke levels when there is a ban on smoking in indoor public places ?"
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
October 08 2007 19:00 GMT
#108
On October 09 2007 03:58 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
"I think you probably skimmed through my post, because I never said this. If you know people who do, or if people in this thread have, respond to them."

I never said you said this. I said if you honestly believe that there aren't people saying this you should open your ears.


I do know a large number of people say this. I also know a large number of people say the exact opposite. This is a point I already mentioned in an earlier post. I think both groups are misinformed, and both need to be educated. But people get educated only when they're willing to be, and when they're reasonable enough to concede the other party might be right at least on some fronts.

Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
October 08 2007 19:02 GMT
#109
On October 09 2007 04:00 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
And I repeat:

"And I've been talking about outdoor smoke this entire time. =/

Why would I talk about indoor smoke levels when there is a ban on smoking in indoor public places ?"


Oops, I missed that post.

At least the misunderstanding is gone now.

FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
October 08 2007 19:15 GMT
#110
My argument isn't that second hand smoke isn't bad. The ban on smoking indoors in public places is a good thing. I think it's bad that it is enforced on privately owned businesses as it infringes on reasonable personal freedoms but that is another argument entirely.

It's that with the current ban on smoking indoors the danger for most people(those of us not hanging around smoke filled houses) is fairly minute. A great number of people are under the impression that a smoker is negatively effecting their health in a big way and it simply is not the case because of the nature of outdoor circulation of air. I'm trying to say that that isn't really the case. Treating people who smoke rudely based on an incorrect understanding of the dangers of second hand smoke is silly. People should not be treated poorly just because people are misinformed.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
October 08 2007 19:23 GMT
#111
Oh, I should point something out.

Parents with children should not smoke near them under any circumstances. Exposure to tobacco smoke outdoors is equal to and in some circumstances even higher than indoors. Not really as bad as a house filled with smoke but bad nonetheless.

In fact, if you smoke outdoors near people you should make an effort to not have them downwind.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
October 09 2007 01:12 GMT
#112
are my post fucking transparent or something... i still havent seen anyone refute what i said about separate zones + air extraction systems... what do you fucking see wrong with that you morons?



Its a shame ive never been yelled at for smoking, mexico is not that nazi yet, but i do hope someday somebody will so i can then proceed to blow my smoke on his face.



PS: seeing a female tit is unhealthy for a children minds and i dont want my kids to see that, you are infringing my civil liberties by exposing your private parts to my underaged kids ffs!

(i obviously dont belive that its just the same position about "you are infringing my rights" fanatism banning others liberties for my dumb tantrums)
Im back, in pog form!
inept.
Profile Joined August 2007
Iceland69 Posts
October 09 2007 01:24 GMT
#113
god i hate the smell of 2nd hand smoke, worst smell in the world, fuck smokers and go california lawmakers. everytime I see some goth retard smoking a cigarette I realize why this world is going to hell
hi im a bundy
DV8
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1623 Posts
October 09 2007 02:20 GMT
#114
On October 09 2007 04:15 FrEaK[S.sIR] wrote:
My argument isn't that second hand smoke isn't bad. The ban on smoking indoors in public places is a good thing. I think it's bad that it is enforced on privately owned businesses as it infringes on reasonable personal freedoms but that is another argument entirely.

It's that with the current ban on smoking indoors the danger for most people(those of us not hanging around smoke filled houses) is fairly minute. A great number of people are under the impression that a smoker is negatively effecting their health in a big way and it simply is not the case because of the nature of outdoor circulation of air. I'm trying to say that that isn't really the case. Treating people who smoke rudely based on an incorrect understanding of the dangers of second hand smoke is silly. People should not be treated poorly just because people are misinformed.

I think people who get in the way of someone else's smoking in a condescending way needs to just get punched in the face.... Not sure what value that added to this thread, but I felt the need to get that out there.


OK go on!


I quit smoking! too so yeah...
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