EPTThat does not mean they can't continue to create havoc. Their drones take very little infrastructure to launch and are much more expensive to bring down. Given that they are attacking everyone you also can't concentrate your defenses anywhere. Insurgency style can continue to bring havoc almost indefinitely. But I don't think you are going to see some big ballistic missile strike, that will keep going down. And all their conventional army and navy are going to be left in ruin.
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Billyboy
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That does not mean they can't continue to create havoc. Their drones take very little infrastructure to launch and are much more expensive to bring down. Given that they are attacking everyone you also can't concentrate your defenses anywhere. Insurgency style can continue to bring havoc almost indefinitely. But I don't think you are going to see some big ballistic missile strike, that will keep going down. And all their conventional army and navy are going to be left in ruin. | ||
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pmp10
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On March 04 2026 23:48 Jankisa wrote: Honestly the salvos Iran has been churning out seem restrained, I have a feeling that they are holding one big one back, at least, and they are waiting for more evidence of the interceptors being out. That would be extremely stupid of them. This war is a classic escalation ladder, the moment Iran climbs too many steps up without reason they are sure to get invaded or nuked. At this moment we have no idea if Iran is running out of launch capability or just pacing itself for a long war. We should learn that in a few weeks time. | ||
KwarK
United States44398 Posts
On March 05 2026 02:28 pmp10 wrote: That would be extremely stupid of them. This war is a classic escalation ladder, the moment Iran climbs too many steps up without reason they are sure to get invaded or nuked. At this moment we have no idea if Iran is running out of launch capability or just pacing itself for a long war. We should learn that in a few weeks time. I think the escalation ladder is winnable for Iran here, within limits. Iran is huge, has comparable terrain to Afghanistan, and has a large military. It has direct supply lines from Russia across the Caspian. There’s an escalation ceiling where they get annihilated. Like if they launch a dirty bomb at Jerusalem. They should stay underneath that ceiling. But there’s a fairly low willingness by the US to commit ground troops to a conventional war. That leaves a huge middle chunk of the ladder where Iran can escalate as much as it likes because it’s already getting bombed and it knows it isn’t going to get ground invaded. I think people are also sleeping on Russian fuckery here. Any time a tanker gets overwhelmed by a drone swarm that is a huge win for Russia. A huge monetary win (drives up oil prices), a huge geopolitical win (Europe depends on Arabian LNG exports to replace Russian gas), a strategic win (helps their ally in the war), and a humiliation to the United States (shows them as powerless to defend the area). Russia fucking loves grey warfare, it loves deniable sabotage, it loves using proxies, and it loves drones. If there aren’t short range truck launched anti ship missiles being shipped across the Caspian right now I’d be amazed. It’s as obvious a play as when the UK gave Ukraine all the anti tank missiles in 2022. The Brits didn't need to believe that Ukraine would defeat Russia to think it'd be really funny if a bunch of Ukrainians suddenly had shoulder launched anti tank missiles right as the Russian armoured column pushed in. Similarly Russia doesn't need much of a push to prank the US with pallets of drones. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1846 Posts
If Putin and Trump are just heads of states in a multi polar world, each playing it's geopolitical game, then yes, what KwarK suggested would be the best possible move. Plausible deniability, Putin has nukes so he doesn't have to really fear Trump's revenge, plus, Trump is a bully and Russia, even in it's depleted state is a much bigger threat then Iran or Venezuela. On the other hand, if Trump and Putin have a silent agreement, along with Xi to split the world in spheres of influence and Iran is part of a package deal weakened Putin had to concede to Americans and Israelis along with Venezuela, this kind of move would be near suicidal, everyone know Trump is an impulsive maniac and if he sniffs that Putin is back stabbing him Ukraine could get such a surge of weapons that the front lines could rapidly deteriorate. I mean, in the end, who the fuck knows, one of the things that lives rent free in my head is that hot mic moment from Beijing last year where they talked about immortality through bio technology and organ transplants. Maybe it's all a big play for the stupid masses, maybe they are all buddies behind closed doors and each one, including Trump is playing their part. At this point, in this stupid reality, I wouldn't rule anything out. | ||
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pmp10
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On March 05 2026 03:56 KwarK wrote: I think the escalation ladder is winnable for Iran here, within limits. Iran is huge, has comparable terrain to Afghanistan, and has a large military. It has direct supply lines from Russia across the Caspian. There’s an escalation ceiling where they get annihilated. Like if they launch a dirty bomb at Jerusalem. They should stay underneath that ceiling. But there’s a fairly low willingness by the US to commit ground troops to a conventional war. That leaves a huge middle chunk of the ladder where Iran can escalate as much as it likes because it’s already getting bombed and it knows it isn’t going to get ground invaded. Sure, but the problem for Iran is that it can also be bombed back to stone-age without anyone committing boots on the ground. If they lose or exhaust their retaliation options, Israel will happily 'grass-mow' them for years, likely all the way to state collapse. So they have to climb that ladder a little bit at a time to inflict greater costs on Trump, but not so fast that they reach the limit of their capabilities. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17863 Posts
On March 05 2026 17:03 pmp10 wrote: Sure, but the problem for Iran is that it can also be bombed back to stone-age without anyone committing boots on the ground. If they lose or exhaust their retaliation options, Israel will happily 'grass-mow' them for years, likely all the way to state collapse. So they have to climb that ladder a little bit at a time to inflict greater costs on Trump, but not so fast that they reach the limit of their capabilities. This is an interesting problem. Iran is too big and geographically hard for anyone to really conquer it. At the same time, if they get bombed to oblivion but new government is elected that has the favor of big players you can't really just "grass-mow" them any more... | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 04 2026 14:43 Manit0u wrote: The latest news is that during February Ukraine has retaken more land than Russia has captured. Let's hope this trend continues. It's not just Israel though. Kuwait, Quatar, Bahrain and other countries in the region are reporting AA shortages. Followup, not as a rebuttal, but to reinforce the point. Obviously a biased source, but if there has truly been more patriot missiles used in such a short period compared to the entire war so far, yikes. https://kyivindependent.com/over-800-patriot-missiles-used-in-middle-east-in-3-days-more-than-ukraine-since-2022-zelensky-says/ | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3418 Posts
On March 06 2026 19:14 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Sanctions on Russia eased for at least one month due to strait of Hormuz closure.Can now export oil to India : https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy031d1ny7jo Do the sanctions passed by Congress even allow for a temporary waiver like this? If not hopefully a federal judge will slap an injunction on this immediately. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1846 Posts
It's so fucking stupid, Trump and Nethyanahu get a boner to go bomb brown people in ME and Ukrainians are paying for it with their lives, Putin is rubbing his hands as the oil ticks up, Europeans are looking in horror as the gas prices explode and are bracing for yet another refugee crisis coming our way... | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3418 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2349 Posts
On March 06 2026 23:21 LightSpectra wrote: Don't forget that child molester Trump was talking about how Cuba is next in the crosshairs. Oh, you had to be kidding me. This guy is clinicaly insane. What danger does Cuba even pose? They stopped sending their troops to ingnite rebelions after Roegan kicked their asses in Grenada. | ||
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Billyboy
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Then because no one smart is left, or willing to say no. There was no one to explain that the production ability is not there. Or that it wouldn’t just be Irans oil at risk in the ME. Or that the straight would get closed and so on and so on. Seems to be how this admin makes decisions, what sounds cool to immature people. Put no thought or planning in and then act and blame Biden for whatever doesn’t work. | ||
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LightSpectra
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Jankisa
Croatia1846 Posts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/03/06/russia-iran-intelligence-us-targets/ Well, on the one hand, since US has been doing this for Ukraine for a long time, I guess it's fair play for Russia to help Iranians out with their assistance with targeting. On the other hand, I'm absolutely sure that Trump is not going to look at it that way, well, now that I think of it, he might because he is, after all and above all, Putin's little bitch, but let's see. In any case, if this reporting turns out to be true, it might be huge, especially if Trump, along with weapons donations stopped providing this kind of targeting info, he is going to be bigly pissed at daddy Putin for this. The more likely scenario, if we are going to go with the "agent Krasnov" view of the Trump-Putin relationship, he'll fire whoever leaked this to WaPO and say he trusts Vlady more then his own intelligence services, just like he did in Helsinki. | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
On March 06 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote: But I thought that Trump said strait of Hormuz is open, Iran has no navy, they sunk all of it and also they can't threten anyone... It's so fucking stupid, Trump and Nethyanahu get a boner to go bomb brown people in ME and Ukrainians are paying for it with their lives, Putin is rubbing his hands as the oil ticks up, Europeans are looking in horror as the gas prices explode and are bracing for yet another refugee crisis coming our way... Refugee crisis? From where? Iranians coming to Europe? | ||
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Simberto
Germany12059 Posts
On March 07 2026 00:51 warding wrote: Refugee crisis? From where? Iranians coming to Europe? Doesn't sound that absurd. That seems to be what happens whenever the US fucks stuff up in the middle east. If there is a horrific war, people flee. | ||
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Billyboy
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There are all these factors outside of the actual fighting that have stopped all previous presidents from doing this. No one has ever been concerned about Iran defeating the US Air Force and Navy. It is the chaos that they can cause throughout the whole region that informed people were concerned about. | ||
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