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On August 02 2007 13:51 evanthebouncy! wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2007 10:37 Frits wrote:I don't live in China because the government is good. I love China for its people, all my relatives and friends were in China, they are nice. I remembering waking up in the morning to the smell of food down in the streets, I remember how we used to walk along the river bank and the public Karyoke stations where old people had fun singing and dancing. Also during the new years festival we'd go to the streets and make fireworks untill the entire city is covered in smoke and rackles. China's rich cultural background far outshines its government. China has had many governments, look back history at all the dynasties ruled over China. See how dynasties perish from one to another, but China does not perish. We are the people who inhabit the land, we are the culture and virtues that spawns from those people. The government is like a cloth, it changes from time to time but it is in no way on par with who we really are.
So don't you dare making stupid blanket statement like "living in China sucks" because there is just so much more to live for than the imposing government. Just because you had/have it good doesn't mean the half of the country that lives in poverty agrees with you. What about the people forced into slavery or working on the land 24/7 ? Easy for you to make that statement how good life in China is. Okay what do you want me to do? Go to China and start yapping how bad and how much a shithole it is? Grow some senses. I never said China is good. I'm saying I lived in China, my life has been good, therefore theres no reason for me to not like it.
just because you live well doesnt really negate the fact that so many people don't. i say thats a perfectly good reason to not like it.
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I think an important question to ask is if these limitations on freedom are beneficial, at least in the short term, for the people of china.
They most likely are.
But I think we all know that in the long term, they are not.
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ends justify the means discussion
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On August 02 2007 06:48 RebelHeart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2007 06:38 Cpt Obvious wrote:
Your signature goes just so well with what you're saying it's incredible. exactly, left-wingsm depends on mass government intervention, state run enterprises, high taxing and redistribution to minority (read homosexual and feminist) interest groups, and "we know best" ideology
LOL this is soooo stupid. WOW. I can't stop laughing.
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so china's recovering from a lot of bad accumulated historical precedents, but i think they are headed in the right direction =). They are kind of like starcraft 2. this whole pronunciation on criticism of government is just patch 0.0000001. it'll be a few hundred thousand more before they start the beta.
michael moore would argue that while china is in a bad position but definitely going in the right direction (rather speedily by historical standards and being one of the few instances of being able to make changes to government without bloodshed), Bush is doing the opposite for the US.
I can't wait for the next person to be elected US president whoever s/he is. I still don't know what to think about Hillary though. Obama is awesome, but i doubt he'll get elected this time around. there are so many behind the scenes stuff that's happening to our constitution that if anyone with power-mongering ideas managed to get elected, i think things could turn out even worse than what bush did.
ideas?
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On August 02 2007 13:20 Jayson X wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2007 09:21 holy_war wrote:On August 02 2007 09:09 Jayson X wrote:
I\'m from tibet.
That\'s all i have to say.
And Tibet has and will always be a part of China Yeah ouukey. There\'s a difference between \"hey guys, why don\'t you join the club, you know for formality reasons so our dicks ain\'t that small in history books\" and \"DIE BITCH gimme your ressources, stop speaking your language and if you don\'t like it we kick you in jail or kill you !\" But thanks for your small history lesson. You gave me the light.
It's called Imperialism. All powerful countries do it. It's pretty much no different from how Europeans took over the Americas and Africa.
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china is changing so incredibly fast
its crazy, shitloads of new construction amongst old poor villages
a juxtaposition of the old and the new in every sense of the word; market philosophies, political ideologies
the government is doing the best it can under the extremely stressful circumstances
china will go the way of south korea i think
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[QUOTE]On August 02 2007 13:51 evanthebouncy! wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 02 2007 10:37 Frits wrote:
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I completely agree that China doesn't have freedom. So what. Iraq had freedom and see what happened. Read your history.[/QUOTE]
among the stupidest posts in this thread, really an achievement to be proud of
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On August 02 2007 15:47 lil.sis wrote:
china is changing so incredibly fast
its crazy, shitloads of new construction amongst old poor villages
a juxtaposition of the old and the new in every sense of the word; market philosophies, political ideologies
the government is doing the best it can under the extremely stressful circumstances
china will go the way of south korea i think
omg i thought you had died >.> where oyu been
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On August 02 2007 14:46 teh leet newb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2007 13:20 Jayson X wrote:On August 02 2007 09:21 holy_war wrote:On August 02 2007 09:09 Jayson X wrote:
I'm from tibet.
That's all i have to say.
And Tibet has and will always be a part of China Yeah ouukey. There's a difference between "hey guys, why don't you join the club, you know for formality reasons so our dicks ain't that small in history books" and "DIE BITCH gimme your ressources, stop speaking your language and if you don't like it we kick you in jail or kill you !" But thanks for your small history lesson. You gave me the light. It's called Imperialism. All powerful countries do it. It's pretty much no different from how Europeans took over the Americas and Africa.
Thank you student han.
Please go back to your seat now. Aha? Yes...i'm sure your power point presentation describes it in detail, but i'm afraid there's no time for it. Hush hush....uh watch your step...theeere you go.
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On August 02 2007 16:18 Jayson X wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2007 14:46 teh leet newb wrote:On August 02 2007 13:20 Jayson X wrote:On August 02 2007 09:21 holy_war wrote:On August 02 2007 09:09 Jayson X wrote:
I'm from tibet.
That's all i have to say.
And Tibet has and will always be a part of China Yeah ouukey. There's a difference between "hey guys, why don't you join the club, you know for formality reasons so our dicks ain't that small in history books" and "DIE BITCH gimme your ressources, stop speaking your language and if you don't like it we kick you in jail or kill you !" But thanks for your small history lesson. You gave me the light. It's called Imperialism. All powerful countries do it. It's pretty much no different from how Europeans took over the Americas and Africa. Thank you student han. Please go back to your seat now. Aha? Yes...i'm sure your power point presentation describes it in detail, but i'm afraid there's no time for it. Hush hush....uh watch your step...theeere you go.
wtf?
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is awesome32282 Posts
I would love to laught, because the phrasing makes it hilarious; but its actually quite sad 
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On August 02 2007 14:22 whatever wrote:
ends justify the means discussion
what ends? wtf?
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Can anyone verify that this is actually true? There's no source given, and these rules don't seem to come up anywhere else on Google.
edit: the OP's list, I mean.
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China will never improve when nationalistic Chinese like evanthebouncy and aphelion (no offense evan, but you say some ridiculous shit in these threads) refuse to acknowledge that there's even a problem, instead choosing to point fingers at the rest of the world like "And what makes YOUR country so good?" as if we're talking about a dick-measuring contest rather than form of government.
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On August 02 2007 06:48 RebelHeart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2007 06:38 Cpt Obvious wrote:
Your signature goes just so well with what you're saying it's incredible. exactly, left-wingsm depends on mass government intervention, state run enterprises, high taxing and redistribution to minority (read homosexual and feminist) interest groups, and "we know best" ideology
And right-wingism depends on mass government censorship, blind nationalism and militarism, social Darwinism, the enforcement of racial purity, eugenics, and groupthink.
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On August 02 2007 10:26 Aiurtime wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2007 08:25 Kwark wrote:
Most powerful country in the world is a liberal democracy. People should be able to choose the way they live. It's the old question, would you give up freedom for security. The Chinese have that choice made for them, their freedom denied. And the case of India proves that a country as populace as China can still be run using western values. Not necessarily, that argument didn't work with nepal, and also India is a disorganized, poor starving country, the government of India isn't even that centralized, all of the power is divided between states that often qaurrel with each other, and a fraction of the population are part of the elite, this included the IT engineers, and outsourcers, they're numbers are big but the there more poor people. India definitely should not be such an example, its a very very underdeveloped country even though recently we think otherwise. China is fine the way it is, they're better off, that they have a centralized government that can make decisions on the country easily. India on the other hand is such a poor case, I'm not even going to get started. I am going to tell you however is that reason why India is far behind compared to China is because of the diffrence in goverments.
India is another story. But Kwark your argument is pretty void consider that democracy in India did not in fact solve any problems. India has their democracy but they also have most if not all the social problems China has, their infrastructure is underdevloped, poor ppl still get trashed on, there aren't even tap water availabe in poor areas of their city.
I don't think Chinese people are as clueless as you think. We know the government is shit, we know the flaws of the system but we just don't believe that a democratic ideal thrust upon us by outsider is a viable answer to our situation.
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On August 02 2007 14:10 choboPEon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2007 13:51 evanthebouncy! wrote:On August 02 2007 10:37 Frits wrote:I don't live in China because the government is good. I love China for its people, all my relatives and friends were in China, they are nice. I remembering waking up in the morning to the smell of food down in the streets, I remember how we used to walk along the river bank and the public Karyoke stations where old people had fun singing and dancing. Also during the new years festival we'd go to the streets and make fireworks untill the entire city is covered in smoke and rackles. China's rich cultural background far outshines its government. China has had many governments, look back history at all the dynasties ruled over China. See how dynasties perish from one to another, but China does not perish. We are the people who inhabit the land, we are the culture and virtues that spawns from those people. The government is like a cloth, it changes from time to time but it is in no way on par with who we really are.
So don't you dare making stupid blanket statement like "living in China sucks" because there is just so much more to live for than the imposing government. Just because you had/have it good doesn't mean the half of the country that lives in poverty agrees with you. What about the people forced into slavery or working on the land 24/7 ? Easy for you to make that statement how good life in China is. Okay what do you want me to do? Go to China and start yapping how bad and how much a shithole it is? Grow some senses. I never said China is good. I'm saying I lived in China, my life has been good, therefore theres no reason for me to not like it. just because you live well doesnt really negate the fact that so many people don't. i say thats a perfectly good reason to not like it.
Ah can't rightly say ah agree.
Ah say, ah say, in this yea-ah of 1850, as a Saouthun gentleman fahmah, ah nevah can see what you yankees think is wrong with the Saouth. Ahv lived he-ah foh all mah life, and it has nevah been but the happiest place on God's green ea-th. Whah, business is postively boomin', and we have every comfaht a man could want. Do ah look like ahm bein' oppressed?
(Pouah me anuthah mint julip, boy.)
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On August 02 2007 18:28 Funchucks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2007 14:10 choboPEon wrote:On August 02 2007 13:51 evanthebouncy! wrote:On August 02 2007 10:37 Frits wrote:I don't live in China because the government is good. I love China for its people, all my relatives and friends were in China, they are nice. I remembering waking up in the morning to the smell of food down in the streets, I remember how we used to walk along the river bank and the public Karyoke stations where old people had fun singing and dancing. Also during the new years festival we'd go to the streets and make fireworks untill the entire city is covered in smoke and rackles. China's rich cultural background far outshines its government. China has had many governments, look back history at all the dynasties ruled over China. See how dynasties perish from one to another, but China does not perish. We are the people who inhabit the land, we are the culture and virtues that spawns from those people. The government is like a cloth, it changes from time to time but it is in no way on par with who we really are.
So don't you dare making stupid blanket statement like "living in China sucks" because there is just so much more to live for than the imposing government. Just because you had/have it good doesn't mean the half of the country that lives in poverty agrees with you. What about the people forced into slavery or working on the land 24/7 ? Easy for you to make that statement how good life in China is. Okay what do you want me to do? Go to China and start yapping how bad and how much a shithole it is? Grow some senses. I never said China is good. I'm saying I lived in China, my life has been good, therefore theres no reason for me to not like it. just because you live well doesnt really negate the fact that so many people don't. i say thats a perfectly good reason to not like it. Ah can't rightly say ah agree. Ah say, ah say, in this yea-ah of 1850, as a Saouthun gentleman fahmah, ah nevah can see what you yankees think is wrong with the Saouth. Ahv lived he-ah foh all mah life, and it has nevah been but the happiest place on God's green ea-th. Whah, business is postively boomin', and we have every comfaht a man could want. Do ah look like ahm bein' oppressed? (Pouah me anuthah mint julip, boy.)
Hehe, at first I wanted to call you stupid. Then I started picturing foghorn leghorn, and I started laughing. Then I figured "meh it gets the point across, and I agree with him", and so I laughed a tad more, and then congratulated you. Wheee...
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On August 02 2007 17:20 Clutch3 wrote:
Can anyone verify that this is actually true? There's no source given, and these rules don't seem to come up anywhere else on Google.
edit: the OP's list, I mean.
It's not. This is satire of New Zealand's Electoral Finance Bill:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/07/cog_on_electoral_finance_bill.html
The only reason China is mentioned is as an example of an oppressive, non-democratic regime where people don't have freedom of speech.
He's protesting New Zealand election campaign legislation by saying it's like something you'd expect in a country like China.
I'm not sure, he might also be referencing the recent bill that strictly limits use of footage recorded in Parliament or some other limits on political expression I haven't heard about. It's kind of subtle for a non-kiwi like me to puzzle out.
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