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On November 09 2023 01:39 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 00:20 RvB wrote:An article from the BBC about a call Israel made to a Palestinian doctor warning about airstrikes in Gaza. It gives a good insight into how it works. I've only copied the first few paragraphs from the article. The rest can be found with the link. It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.
He'd been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.
He'd heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. "You need to escape," somebody in the street shouted, "because they will bomb the towers".
As he left his building and crossed the road, looking for a safe place, his phone lit up.
It was a call from a private number.
"I'm speaking with you from Israeli intelligence," a man said down the line, according to Mahmoud.
That call would last more than an hour - and it would be the most terrifying call of his life. www.bbc.com This is such a weird interaction. What's the point of destroying those buildings after allowing their inhabitants to evacuate? Is this about destroying combat equipment potentially stored in the buildings? You can't expect to kill your enemies like this so I can't come up with any other rational explanation. I had the same question. The best I came up with on short notice is that its not about Hamas at all, because its unlikely all those buildings were housing equipment, and if they were a lot could no doubt be evacuated just as the people were with the warnings given.
But what stuck with me is this excerpt In the hours and days that followed, the community of al-Zahra, like many in Gaza, disbanded.
"Even for the people whose homes were still standing, there are no services left… the sewage systems are damaged, there is no bakery, there is no supermarket, there is no water, no electricity," Mahmoud says.
Mahmoud's block was not destroyed, although it was severely damaged. The neighbourhood where he built up his dental practice over 15 years, and became a linchpin of the community, is now gone. There is nothing left for him in al-Zahra. If the goal is to "clear" a section of Gaza of Palestinians, drive them further into a corner and claim more land for Israel then destroying communities under the pretence of fighting Hamas is a marvellous excuse.
Its not about weapons or fighters. Its about displacing communities.
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On November 09 2023 02:09 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
All of these "totally not antisemitic" protests that just so happen to take place outside a synagogue sure are coincidental. It is a very interesting way to express dissatisfaction with the Israeli government rather than Jewish people as a whole. Why does Israel exist and why does it have essentially unwavering support from the big players in the West? Because we're still not over the Holocaust.
(which is in itself not a bad thing, it was horrific and should never be forgotten. But it has been a foil for Israel for decades).
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On November 09 2023 01:39 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 00:20 RvB wrote:An article from the BBC about a call Israel made to a Palestinian doctor warning about airstrikes in Gaza. It gives a good insight into how it works. I've only copied the first few paragraphs from the article. The rest can be found with the link. It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.
He'd been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.
He'd heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. "You need to escape," somebody in the street shouted, "because they will bomb the towers".
As he left his building and crossed the road, looking for a safe place, his phone lit up.
It was a call from a private number.
"I'm speaking with you from Israeli intelligence," a man said down the line, according to Mahmoud.
That call would last more than an hour - and it would be the most terrifying call of his life. www.bbc.com This is such a weird interaction. What's the point of destroying those buildings after allowing their inhabitants to evacuate? Is this about destroying combat equipment potentially stored in the buildings? You can't expect to kill your enemies like this so I can't come up with any other rational explanation.
You have to remember Israel considers cutting over 2 million people off from food, water, medicine, fuel, etc. "targeting Hamas".
The point is to terrorize and forcibly displace Palestinians from Gaza and leave nothing for them to come back to.
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On November 09 2023 01:15 Nebuchad wrote:
Arab Israelis are also mistreated by Israel, but they aren't ethnically cleansed. Would that work on you for China? There are other ethnic groups in Inner Mongolia that aren't genocided, therefore the Uyghurs aren't genocided either?
Just to clarify something, Arab Israelis are almost entirely Palestinian ethnics.
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On November 09 2023 03:02 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 01:39 Sent. wrote:On November 09 2023 00:20 RvB wrote:An article from the BBC about a call Israel made to a Palestinian doctor warning about airstrikes in Gaza. It gives a good insight into how it works. I've only copied the first few paragraphs from the article. The rest can be found with the link. It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.
He'd been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.
He'd heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. "You need to escape," somebody in the street shouted, "because they will bomb the towers".
As he left his building and crossed the road, looking for a safe place, his phone lit up.
It was a call from a private number.
"I'm speaking with you from Israeli intelligence," a man said down the line, according to Mahmoud.
That call would last more than an hour - and it would be the most terrifying call of his life. www.bbc.com This is such a weird interaction. What's the point of destroying those buildings after allowing their inhabitants to evacuate? Is this about destroying combat equipment potentially stored in the buildings? You can't expect to kill your enemies like this so I can't come up with any other rational explanation. Some of it is to destroy equipment, some of it is to destroy spots where militants can hide, a lot of it is to destroy entrances to the massive tunnel system. Odd choice to warn people you want to ethnically cleanse when warning allows everyone including the militants to flee. A reminder that ethnic cleansing doesn't just cover killing, but also includes forced displacement.
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On November 09 2023 02:19 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 02:09 WombaT wrote:On November 09 2023 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
All of these "totally not antisemitic" protests that just so happen to take place outside a synagogue sure are coincidental. It is a very interesting way to express dissatisfaction with the Israeli government rather than Jewish people as a whole. Why does Israel exist and why does it have essentially unwavering support from the big players in the West? Because we're still not over the Holocaust. (which is in itself not a bad thing, it was horrific and should never be forgotten. But it has been a foil for Israel for decades).
Indeed, I wasn’t excusing actual anti-Semitism obviously and wouldn’t support protests of such a nature outside synagogues. But it is a very explicit ethno/religious state, the support it enjoys is primarily due to that, and that guilt.
Despite many Jews vocally opposing the Israeli state it’s still rather tricky to fully demarcate when its existence and support is so very predicated on Jewishness. Plus the rather liberal use of accusations of anti-Semitism don’t help in that regard either.
Certainly pitfalls to avoid here, especially for those of us old enough to have memories of the sharp rise in anti-Islam sentiment towards completely unrelated people in the wake of 9/11 that still hasn’t dissipated to this day
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On November 09 2023 03:24 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:On November 09 2023 03:02 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 01:39 Sent. wrote:On November 09 2023 00:20 RvB wrote:An article from the BBC about a call Israel made to a Palestinian doctor warning about airstrikes in Gaza. It gives a good insight into how it works. I've only copied the first few paragraphs from the article. The rest can be found with the link. It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.
He'd been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.
He'd heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. "You need to escape," somebody in the street shouted, "because they will bomb the towers".
As he left his building and crossed the road, looking for a safe place, his phone lit up.
It was a call from a private number.
"I'm speaking with you from Israeli intelligence," a man said down the line, according to Mahmoud.
That call would last more than an hour - and it would be the most terrifying call of his life. www.bbc.com This is such a weird interaction. What's the point of destroying those buildings after allowing their inhabitants to evacuate? Is this about destroying combat equipment potentially stored in the buildings? You can't expect to kill your enemies like this so I can't come up with any other rational explanation. Some of it is to destroy equipment, some of it is to destroy spots where militants can hide, a lot of it is to destroy entrances to the massive tunnel system. Odd choice to warn people you want to ethnically cleanse when warning allows everyone including the militants to flee. A reminder that ethnic cleansing doesn't just cover killing, but also includes forced displacement. But forced displacement alone does not mean ethnic cleansing. And certainly not genocide which is also being used freely.
Indeed, it’s merely forced displacement unless it comes from the Ethnique province of France
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On November 09 2023 03:24 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:On November 09 2023 03:02 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 01:39 Sent. wrote:On November 09 2023 00:20 RvB wrote:An article from the BBC about a call Israel made to a Palestinian doctor warning about airstrikes in Gaza. It gives a good insight into how it works. I've only copied the first few paragraphs from the article. The rest can be found with the link. It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.
He'd been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.
He'd heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. "You need to escape," somebody in the street shouted, "because they will bomb the towers".
As he left his building and crossed the road, looking for a safe place, his phone lit up.
It was a call from a private number.
"I'm speaking with you from Israeli intelligence," a man said down the line, according to Mahmoud.
That call would last more than an hour - and it would be the most terrifying call of his life. www.bbc.com This is such a weird interaction. What's the point of destroying those buildings after allowing their inhabitants to evacuate? Is this about destroying combat equipment potentially stored in the buildings? You can't expect to kill your enemies like this so I can't come up with any other rational explanation. Some of it is to destroy equipment, some of it is to destroy spots where militants can hide, a lot of it is to destroy entrances to the massive tunnel system. Odd choice to warn people you want to ethnically cleanse when warning allows everyone including the militants to flee. A reminder that ethnic cleansing doesn't just cover killing, but also includes forced displacement. But forced displacement alone does not mean ethnic cleansing. And certainly not genocide which is also being used freely.
I think you might want to look up the definition of ethnic cleansing. "Forced displacement" (of an ethnic group) is the first thing that comes up.
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On November 09 2023 03:40 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 03:32 Magic Powers wrote:On November 09 2023 03:24 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:On November 09 2023 03:02 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 01:39 Sent. wrote:On November 09 2023 00:20 RvB wrote:An article from the BBC about a call Israel made to a Palestinian doctor warning about airstrikes in Gaza. It gives a good insight into how it works. I've only copied the first few paragraphs from the article. The rest can be found with the link. It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.
He'd been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.
He'd heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. "You need to escape," somebody in the street shouted, "because they will bomb the towers".
As he left his building and crossed the road, looking for a safe place, his phone lit up.
It was a call from a private number.
"I'm speaking with you from Israeli intelligence," a man said down the line, according to Mahmoud.
That call would last more than an hour - and it would be the most terrifying call of his life. www.bbc.com This is such a weird interaction. What's the point of destroying those buildings after allowing their inhabitants to evacuate? Is this about destroying combat equipment potentially stored in the buildings? You can't expect to kill your enemies like this so I can't come up with any other rational explanation. Some of it is to destroy equipment, some of it is to destroy spots where militants can hide, a lot of it is to destroy entrances to the massive tunnel system. Odd choice to warn people you want to ethnically cleanse when warning allows everyone including the militants to flee. A reminder that ethnic cleansing doesn't just cover killing, but also includes forced displacement. But forced displacement alone does not mean ethnic cleansing. And certainly not genocide which is also being used freely. I think you might want to look up the definition of ethnic cleansing. "Forced displacement" (of an ethnic group) is the first thing that comes up. Yes if they end up forcing all Palestinians out of Gaza that would be ethnic cleansing. That many of you believe it is fact that is the goal is not in fact a fact.
Only if it's displacing all of them right? If it's (all - 1) it's not ethnic cleanse.
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On November 09 2023 03:40 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 03:32 Magic Powers wrote:On November 09 2023 03:24 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:On November 09 2023 03:02 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 01:39 Sent. wrote:On November 09 2023 00:20 RvB wrote:An article from the BBC about a call Israel made to a Palestinian doctor warning about airstrikes in Gaza. It gives a good insight into how it works. I've only copied the first few paragraphs from the article. The rest can be found with the link. It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.
He'd been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.
He'd heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. "You need to escape," somebody in the street shouted, "because they will bomb the towers".
As he left his building and crossed the road, looking for a safe place, his phone lit up.
It was a call from a private number.
"I'm speaking with you from Israeli intelligence," a man said down the line, according to Mahmoud.
That call would last more than an hour - and it would be the most terrifying call of his life. www.bbc.com This is such a weird interaction. What's the point of destroying those buildings after allowing their inhabitants to evacuate? Is this about destroying combat equipment potentially stored in the buildings? You can't expect to kill your enemies like this so I can't come up with any other rational explanation. Some of it is to destroy equipment, some of it is to destroy spots where militants can hide, a lot of it is to destroy entrances to the massive tunnel system. Odd choice to warn people you want to ethnically cleanse when warning allows everyone including the militants to flee. A reminder that ethnic cleansing doesn't just cover killing, but also includes forced displacement. But forced displacement alone does not mean ethnic cleansing. And certainly not genocide which is also being used freely. I think you might want to look up the definition of ethnic cleansing. "Forced displacement" (of an ethnic group) is the first thing that comes up. Yes if they end up forcing all Palestinians out of Gaza that would be ethnic cleansing. That many of you believe it is fact that is the goal is not in fact a fact.
What else do you need until you have confirmation that it's ethnic cleansing? That every leader of the Jewish state holds a public speech during their inauguration calling for the removal of all Palestinians? Or do you think we have enough evidence that we can judge them purely by their actions (and lack of actions to the contrary)?
If I drive above the speed limit all the time, it may or may not be intentional, but it does make me a speeder. I can't use intent as a defense. Why should we hold the Jewish administration to a lesser standard?
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On November 09 2023 03:40 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 03:32 Magic Powers wrote:On November 09 2023 03:24 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:On November 09 2023 03:02 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 01:39 Sent. wrote:On November 09 2023 00:20 RvB wrote:An article from the BBC about a call Israel made to a Palestinian doctor warning about airstrikes in Gaza. It gives a good insight into how it works. I've only copied the first few paragraphs from the article. The rest can be found with the link. It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.
He'd been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.
He'd heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. "You need to escape," somebody in the street shouted, "because they will bomb the towers".
As he left his building and crossed the road, looking for a safe place, his phone lit up.
It was a call from a private number.
"I'm speaking with you from Israeli intelligence," a man said down the line, according to Mahmoud.
That call would last more than an hour - and it would be the most terrifying call of his life. www.bbc.com This is such a weird interaction. What's the point of destroying those buildings after allowing their inhabitants to evacuate? Is this about destroying combat equipment potentially stored in the buildings? You can't expect to kill your enemies like this so I can't come up with any other rational explanation. Some of it is to destroy equipment, some of it is to destroy spots where militants can hide, a lot of it is to destroy entrances to the massive tunnel system. Odd choice to warn people you want to ethnically cleanse when warning allows everyone including the militants to flee. A reminder that ethnic cleansing doesn't just cover killing, but also includes forced displacement. But forced displacement alone does not mean ethnic cleansing. And certainly not genocide which is also being used freely. I think you might want to look up the definition of ethnic cleansing. "Forced displacement" (of an ethnic group) is the first thing that comes up. Yes if they end up forcing all Palestinians out of Gaza that would be ethnic cleansing. That many of you believe it is fact that is the goal is not in fact a fact. try and argue semantics all you want. Forced displacement of ethic groups falls under ethnic cleansing. It doesn't matter if your displacing them from a street, block, city or region.
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On November 09 2023 03:44 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 03:40 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 03:32 Magic Powers wrote:On November 09 2023 03:24 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:On November 09 2023 03:02 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 01:39 Sent. wrote:On November 09 2023 00:20 RvB wrote:An article from the BBC about a call Israel made to a Palestinian doctor warning about airstrikes in Gaza. It gives a good insight into how it works. I've only copied the first few paragraphs from the article. The rest can be found with the link. It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.
He'd been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.
He'd heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. "You need to escape," somebody in the street shouted, "because they will bomb the towers".
As he left his building and crossed the road, looking for a safe place, his phone lit up.
It was a call from a private number.
"I'm speaking with you from Israeli intelligence," a man said down the line, according to Mahmoud.
That call would last more than an hour - and it would be the most terrifying call of his life. www.bbc.com This is such a weird interaction. What's the point of destroying those buildings after allowing their inhabitants to evacuate? Is this about destroying combat equipment potentially stored in the buildings? You can't expect to kill your enemies like this so I can't come up with any other rational explanation. Some of it is to destroy equipment, some of it is to destroy spots where militants can hide, a lot of it is to destroy entrances to the massive tunnel system. Odd choice to warn people you want to ethnically cleanse when warning allows everyone including the militants to flee. A reminder that ethnic cleansing doesn't just cover killing, but also includes forced displacement. But forced displacement alone does not mean ethnic cleansing. And certainly not genocide which is also being used freely. I think you might want to look up the definition of ethnic cleansing. "Forced displacement" (of an ethnic group) is the first thing that comes up. Yes if they end up forcing all Palestinians out of Gaza that would be ethnic cleansing. That many of you believe it is fact that is the goal is not in fact a fact. Only if it's displacing all of them right? If it's (all - 1) it's not ethnic cleanse.
I just want to point out that "ethnic cleansing" itself is a gad damn euphemism.
What we're actually talking about is the terrorizing, maiming, and mass killing of civilians (largely innocent children) forcing them to leave and in West Bank literally openly stealing their homes with military support.
Israel has clearly given Palestinians an ultimatum of ethnic cleansing or genocide and seems willing to go through with either should no one stop them (and that's basically limited to Hamas, Palestinian civilians, and pro-Palestinian activists currently).
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On November 09 2023 04:22 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 03:44 Godwrath wrote:On November 09 2023 03:40 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 03:32 Magic Powers wrote:On November 09 2023 03:24 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:On November 09 2023 03:02 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 01:39 Sent. wrote:On November 09 2023 00:20 RvB wrote:An article from the BBC about a call Israel made to a Palestinian doctor warning about airstrikes in Gaza. It gives a good insight into how it works. I've only copied the first few paragraphs from the article. The rest can be found with the link. It was Thursday 19 October at about 06:30, and Israel had been bombing Gaza for 12 days straight.
He'd been in his third-floor, three-bedroom flat in al-Zahra, a middle-class area in the north of the Gaza Strip. Until now, it had been largely untouched by air strikes.
He'd heard a rising clamour outside. People were screaming. "You need to escape," somebody in the street shouted, "because they will bomb the towers".
As he left his building and crossed the road, looking for a safe place, his phone lit up.
It was a call from a private number.
"I'm speaking with you from Israeli intelligence," a man said down the line, according to Mahmoud.
That call would last more than an hour - and it would be the most terrifying call of his life. www.bbc.com This is such a weird interaction. What's the point of destroying those buildings after allowing their inhabitants to evacuate? Is this about destroying combat equipment potentially stored in the buildings? You can't expect to kill your enemies like this so I can't come up with any other rational explanation. Some of it is to destroy equipment, some of it is to destroy spots where militants can hide, a lot of it is to destroy entrances to the massive tunnel system. Odd choice to warn people you want to ethnically cleanse when warning allows everyone including the militants to flee. A reminder that ethnic cleansing doesn't just cover killing, but also includes forced displacement. But forced displacement alone does not mean ethnic cleansing. And certainly not genocide which is also being used freely. I think you might want to look up the definition of ethnic cleansing. "Forced displacement" (of an ethnic group) is the first thing that comes up. Yes if they end up forcing all Palestinians out of Gaza that would be ethnic cleansing. That many of you believe it is fact that is the goal is not in fact a fact. Only if it's displacing all of them right? If it's (all - 1) it's not ethnic cleanse. Of course not. But it’s easier for all of you to feel good about your antisemitism and insult me rather than confront it. There is all sorts of awful things happening in the world most of them people from the outside are able to see it from both sides, point out the awful from both sides but also have some empathy towards why that side is doing awful things. I mean it is easy for many of you to easily justify Hamas actions and the people hiding and helping them. Yet zero in the opposite way and if anyone try’s to talk about you have jump down their throats with all sorts of anger and logical fallacy. ... Are you for real?
No one here is justifying Hamas's action. No one here is blaming 'the jews'. Everyone who is blaming Israel blames the state body, not its citizens and here your pulling the antisemitism card?
Its clear there is no arguing with you, your doing nothing but deflecting and arguing semantics to avoid having to face the truth that maybe what Israel is doing is going to far.
You can go fuck right off.
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On November 09 2023 04:33 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2023 04:30 Gorsameth wrote:On November 09 2023 04:22 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 03:44 Godwrath wrote:On November 09 2023 03:40 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 03:32 Magic Powers wrote:On November 09 2023 03:24 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:On November 09 2023 03:02 JimmiC wrote:On November 09 2023 01:39 Sent. wrote:
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This is such a weird interaction. What's the point of destroying those buildings after allowing their inhabitants to evacuate? Is this about destroying combat equipment potentially stored in the buildings? You can't expect to kill your enemies like this so I can't come up with any other rational explanation. Some of it is to destroy equipment, some of it is to destroy spots where militants can hide, a lot of it is to destroy entrances to the massive tunnel system. Odd choice to warn people you want to ethnically cleanse when warning allows everyone including the militants to flee. A reminder that ethnic cleansing doesn't just cover killing, but also includes forced displacement. But forced displacement alone does not mean ethnic cleansing. And certainly not genocide which is also being used freely. I think you might want to look up the definition of ethnic cleansing. "Forced displacement" (of an ethnic group) is the first thing that comes up. Yes if they end up forcing all Palestinians out of Gaza that would be ethnic cleansing. That many of you believe it is fact that is the goal is not in fact a fact. Only if it's displacing all of them right? If it's (all - 1) it's not ethnic cleanse. Of course not. But it’s easier for all of you to feel good about your antisemitism and insult me rather than confront it. There is all sorts of awful things happening in the world most of them people from the outside are able to see it from both sides, point out the awful from both sides but also have some empathy towards why that side is doing awful things. I mean it is easy for many of you to easily justify Hamas actions and the people hiding and helping them. Yet zero in the opposite way and if anyone try’s to talk about you have jump down their throats with all sorts of anger and logical fallacy. ... Are you for real? No one here is justifying Hamas's action. No one here is blaming 'the jews'. Everyone who is blaming Israel blames the state body, not its citizens and here your pulling the antisemitism card? Its clear there is no arguing with you, your doing nothing but deflecting and arguing semantics to avoid having to face the truth that maybe what Israel is doing is going to far. You can go fuck right off. No everyone is not. And I have not pulled it for good reason until now.
What is this so called "good reason" to play the anti-semite card? Because people disagreed with your ridiculously arbitrary definition of ethnic cleansing?
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