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Silvanel
Poland4755 Posts
I have seen claims that Nevatim air base (where Israeli F-35 are stationed) was one of the targets. I do hope the strikes were limited to military targets. Edit: Also claims that Israeli oil rig was one of the targets. Also the number 200 circlets in Internet about how many missiles were fired. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12461 Posts
On October 02 2024 02:54 maybenexttime wrote: It really depends on what was hit. The Iron Dome is designed to ignore missiles which are unlikely to to hit any military/civilian targets. I doubt it really matters much, zero casualties would still yield the same result because this time it was actual humans that were attacked so you need a strong response. | ||
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Billyboy
1717 Posts
On October 02 2024 02:25 Excludos wrote: Is this thread really this quiet whilst things are going tits up between Israel and Iran, or is there another thread for that? Edit: In case you live under a rock: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1ftt06t/dozens_of_iranian_ballistic_missiles_directly/ These are seemingly hitting Tel Aviv directly by the dozens. There's also reports of terror attacks on the ground. I suspect this will compel Israel to start carpet bombing Iran as a response I don't understand the military strategy of this. You do basically no damage and the say that your response has "been duly carried out". But it gives Israel carte blanche on how they want to respond the missile barrage. With the additional confidence that yet another barrage was successfully defended. It is like some strange virtue signaling. The response will be interesting, if it will be just Israel, same sort of thing as last time or much more? Then will other western nations join in? What will happen in Yemen and Syria? I do not really know what to discuss with so many unanswered questions. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On October 02 2024 03:12 Billyboy wrote: I don't understand the military strategy of this. You do basically no damage and the say that your response has "been duly carried out". But it gives Israel carte blanche on how they want to respond the missile barrage. With the additional confidence that yet another barrage was successfully defended. It is like some strange virtue signaling. The response will be interesting, if it will be just Israel, same sort of thing as last time or much more? Then will other western nations join in? What will happen in Yemen and Syria? I do not really know what to discuss with so many unanswered questions. It's posturing. Iran has been made to look like complete fools in the last few months. The terrorist organizations that is Hamas and Hezbollah is sponsored by Iran, but Iran hasn't been able to do anything about their continuous dismantlement since Oct 7. Now, as Israel started crossing the borders into Lebanon, Iran felt forced to posture some more to show "we are really doing something you guys!" But yes, every time they do, Israel responds 10-fold, as is their official stance | ||
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pmp10
3396 Posts
The ball is in US court now, the scale of Israeli retaliation will determine the escalation level. One thing is for certain, there will be no '"diplomatic solution" to Gaza for years. (if ever) | ||
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Billyboy
1717 Posts
On October 02 2024 03:26 Excludos wrote: It's posturing. Iran has been made to look like complete fools in the last few months. The terrorist organizations that is Hamas and Hezbollah is sponsored by Iran, but Iran hasn't been able to do anything about their continuous dismantlement since Oct 7. Now, as Israel started crossing the borders into Lebanon, Iran felt forced to posture some more to show "we are really doing something you guys!" But yes, every time they do, Israel responds 10-fold, as is their official stance Isn't this kind of negative posturing though? Since it shows how hollow their rhetoric is? To me these kind of attacks would embolden the Israeli's and depress the proxy armies. Or do maybe the fighters not know the results and just see the missiles streaking? | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13996 Posts
On October 02 2024 03:28 pmp10 wrote: So Iranians are willing to fight a doomed war. The ball is in US court now, the scale of Israeli retaliation will determine the escalation level. One thing is for certain, there will be no '"diplomatic solution" to Gaza for years. (if ever) Well considering Biden "believes in (having) a ceasefire with immediate effect" whilst doing nearly nothing to reign in Israel, peace seems far off...you would think if nothing else he'd be incentivized to create some stability for the sake of Kamala's campaign if nothing else. Problematically for Biden though is it doesn't take a genius to recognize that while the Dems hav been great, Bibi would prefer Trump in office come January. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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pmp10
3396 Posts
On October 02 2024 03:43 Cricketer12 wrote: Well considering Biden "believes in (having) a ceasefire with immediate effect" whilst doing nearly nothing to reign in Israel, peace seems far off...you would think if nothing else he'd be incentivized to create some stability for the sake of Kamala's campaign if nothing else. Problematically for Biden though is it doesn't take a genius to recognize that while the Dems hav been great, Bibi would prefer Trump in office come January. I don't think the democratic electorate has been concerned so far. The subject of Gaza slowly disappeared from the campaign and no one will pity Iran or Hezbollah. The results of a bombing war won't be felt in US anytime soon either. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12461 Posts
On October 02 2024 04:01 pmp10 wrote: I don't think the democratic electorate has been concerned so far. The subject of Gaza slowly disappeared from the campaign and no one will pity Iran or Hezbollah. The results of a bombing war won't be felt in US anytime soon either. It's going to matter in Michigan most likely. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17743 Posts
Iron Dome is failing. I wonder what will be the extent of damage from this attack. | ||
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ZeroByte13
796 Posts
I remember hearing a couples of time that Iron Dome doesn't intercept rockets that won't hit anything important - which is very often the case with Hamas "home-made" rockets. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On October 02 2024 04:07 Manit0u wrote: https://x.com/censoredmen/status/1841160838662475903 Iron Dome is failing. I wonder what will be the extent of damage from this attack. People are saying some of the missiles were being ignored deliberately, presumably because they were pointed at empty areas. So far I haven't seen any reports of casualties. | ||
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Billyboy
1717 Posts
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pmp10
3396 Posts
It likely took a lot of US lobbying to delay and limit that response back then. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8257 Posts
On October 02 2024 04:07 Manit0u wrote: https://x.com/censoredmen/status/1841160838662475903 Iron Dome is failing. I wonder what will be the extent of damage from this attack. Apparently the Iron Dome calculates the trajectory and ignores everything that otherwise would land "nowhere". That said, we've seen rockets pass through and hit Tel Aviv (or right outside, bit difficult to tell from the videos). So it definitely has its limitations | ||
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Billyboy
1717 Posts
On October 02 2024 04:34 pmp10 wrote: April 13 to April 19 so almost a week. It likely took a lot of US lobbying to delay and limit that response back then. Thank you. We have quite a long wait then to know if this is it or continued escalation. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4755 Posts
On October 02 2024 04:57 Billyboy wrote: Thank you. We have quite a long wait then to know if this is it or continued escalation. They already said, they intend to respond tonight: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cg4qx62kkxxt (post on 20:33 British time). | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9207 Posts
On October 02 2024 05:04 Silvanel wrote: They already said, they intend to respond tonight: https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cg4qx62kkxxt (post on 20:33 British time). It's a misquote, Hagari said the Israeli Air Force "continues to operate at full capacity, and tonight will also continue to strike powerfully in the Middle East, as has been the case for the past year." It wasn't about the response to this, it was about whether air force operations are impacted by the missile strikes (presumably at air bases). They can't just shoot willy nilly into Iran in a matter of hours, there's lots to deliberate internally about the response and after that they'll have to run it by the US as well. | ||
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