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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
November 04 2020 17:50 GMT
#2101
On November 05 2020 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
There's also a huge difference between a 51-49 GOP senate and a 53-47 senate. In the first, they can't even grant Collins, Romney, or Murkowski their token "moderate" votes.

Wasn't there a 51-49 senate for Trump's first 2 years in office? didn't seem to change much
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 04 2020 17:51 GMT
#2102
Trump camp says they are going for WI recount.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 17:52:55
November 04 2020 17:51 GMT
#2103
On November 05 2020 02:50 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
There's also a huge difference between a 51-49 GOP senate and a 53-47 senate. In the first, they can't even grant Collins, Romney, or Murkowski their token "moderate" votes.

Wasn't there a 51-49 senate for Trump's first 2 years in office? didn't seem to change much

The VP is the 101st member of congress the senate.

Pence cast the most tie breaking votes ever, iirc. That cushion would be gone with a dem VP: read it more as a 51-50 senate instead of 51-49.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
November 04 2020 17:52 GMT
#2104
On November 05 2020 02:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:
The spoiler disinformation banner on Trump's tweets on twitter are really satisfying. I wonder if they won't ban him after the election. That would make my day, but I guess they'll never have the balls.

Its not about having the balls to ban trump. He is a major factor in user engagement on the platform.
© Current year.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 17:52:54
November 04 2020 17:52 GMT
#2105
On November 05 2020 02:50 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 02:49 Nevuk wrote:
There's also a huge difference between a 51-49 GOP senate and a 53-47 senate. In the first, they can't even grant Collins, Romney, or Murkowski their token "moderate" votes.

Wasn't there a 51-49 senate for Trump's first 2 years in office? didn't seem to change much


I mean, it kind of stopped them from repealing the ACA...pretty much all the GOP got done from 2016-2018 was their tax plan.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 04 2020 17:52 GMT
#2106
So if Biden gets Nevada, MI and WI, its GG, right?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18292 Posts
November 04 2020 17:53 GMT
#2107
On November 05 2020 02:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 02:47 Shingi11 wrote:
If peters can hold the Senate is not done just yet. It would be long odds but if they can snag NC or Maine and win the GA runoff we at 50 50. Not impossible but not looking good


Yeah, we might actually see the merits of ranked choice in Maine. Pretty nuts.

Well, kinda, but if she's at 49.9%, I sincerely doubt that runoff voting will flip that, so the result will be the same as if they had done straight up plurality winner takes all. It's most likely going to take a different example, where peoples' second choice actually results in someone other than the plurality winner taking the election.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 04 2020 17:53 GMT
#2108
On November 05 2020 02:52 Mohdoo wrote:
So if Biden gets Nevada, MI and WI, its GG, right?


And AZ. AZ is not a lock yet
Something witty
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 04 2020 17:53 GMT
#2109
On November 05 2020 02:52 Mohdoo wrote:
So if Biden gets Nevada, MI and WI, its GG, right?


I think he needs Arizona as well. And only Fox has called it for him, and I think they retracted.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
November 04 2020 17:53 GMT
#2110
On November 05 2020 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Trump camp says they are going for WI recount.

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1324044488256475137

lol. Scott Walker, the former Republican governor of WI, says that only 2 or 3 hundred votes will change in a statewide WI recount.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 17:53:58
November 04 2020 17:53 GMT
#2111
It's (RCV) already had an effect in 2018, where it flipped from GOP to democrat for representative.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 04 2020 17:54 GMT
#2112
On November 05 2020 02:53 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 02:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On November 05 2020 02:47 Shingi11 wrote:
If peters can hold the Senate is not done just yet. It would be long odds but if they can snag NC or Maine and win the GA runoff we at 50 50. Not impossible but not looking good


Yeah, we might actually see the merits of ranked choice in Maine. Pretty nuts.

Well, kinda, but if she's at 49.9%, I sincerely doubt that runoff voting will flip that, so the result will be the same as if they had done straight up plurality winner takes all. It's most likely going to take a different example, where peoples' second choice actually results in someone other than the plurality winner taking the election.


I don't think she'll hold at 49.9, she's been steadily slipping. I think she'll end up closer to 49. The ultimate result after using the ranked choices will probably still be a victory for her, but the margin will be a better benchmark.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18292 Posts
November 04 2020 17:54 GMT
#2113
On November 05 2020 02:52 Mohdoo wrote:
So if Biden gets Nevada, MI and WI, its GG, right?

Barring supreme courts, faithless electors and other nasty surprises. He is going to need a lot more than just those 3 for it to be anywhere near a safe bet that he is actually sworn in as president in January.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
November 04 2020 17:55 GMT
#2114
On November 05 2020 02:54 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 02:52 Mohdoo wrote:
So if Biden gets Nevada, MI and WI, its GG, right?

Barring supreme courts, faithless electors and other nasty surprises. He is going to need a lot more than just those 3 for it to be anywhere near a safe bet that he is actually sworn in as president in January.



This is true. To feel really safe Biden needs PA or GA. Preferably both
Something witty
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 04 2020 17:57 GMT
#2115
The likely GOP 2024 nominee has spoken :

Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1961 Posts
November 04 2020 17:58 GMT
#2116
One interesting tidbit is, that there are still millions of votes from democratic strongholds not counted if the numbers are correct. California, New York, New Jersey and Illinois are all below 80% votes counted. The margin of the popular vote will be a lot higher by the end of the week. This should give the election a bit of needed credibility back. Also, if Arizona suddenly flips back red, i will curl into fetal position.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2656 Posts
November 04 2020 17:59 GMT
#2117
On November 05 2020 02:57 Nevuk wrote:
The likely GOP 2024 nominee has spoken :

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1323914087340781569

can't wait for Kanye to debate Cotton/Hawley/Haley/Cruz/Rubio.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18292 Posts
November 04 2020 17:59 GMT
#2118
On November 05 2020 02:53 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 02:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Trump camp says they are going for WI recount.

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1324044488256475137

lol. Scott Walker, the former Republican governor of WI, says that only 2 or 3 hundred votes will change in a statewide WI recount.

Isn't that pretty much the consensus on recounts? Even recounting hanging chads didn't make a huge difference in Florida and that was way more confusing than any voting method used since. Anybody hanging their hopes on a recount if there is >2k difference in votes is going to end up disillusioned, the counting methods used have improved quite a bit. The main problem is if one court or another decides a whole group of votes should be thrown out (e.g. that Texas case for disallowing drive-through voting).
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 04 2020 18:00 GMT
#2119
On November 05 2020 02:59 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 02:57 Nevuk wrote:
The likely GOP 2024 nominee has spoken :

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1323914087340781569

can't wait for Kanye to debate Cotton/Hawley/Haley/Cruz/Rubio.

Is it sad that I think I'd prefer Ted Cruz out of that lineup? Jesus that's a weak lineup.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22373 Posts
November 04 2020 18:00 GMT
#2120
On November 05 2020 02:57 Nevuk wrote:
The likely GOP 2024 nominee has spoken :

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1323914087340781569
The balls to tweet that after completely failing to do anything with 2020 despite saying he was running is impressive.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
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