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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 17:35:53
November 04 2020 17:27 GMT
#2081
While bettor odds are pretty useless as anything but gauges of perception, they look to have shifted back to Biden pretty heavily (bottomed out at 25.8% Biden, now at 81.5%). Especially with the formal WI win.

There could still be another swing towards Trump if a big shoe drops (I'm mostly thinking wonkery in Nevada or Arizona here). Or, obviously, a cratering out of his chances if Biden wins Michigan. Personally I feel like Biden carrying Michigan should already be baked into people's expectations pretty heavily at this point (still only 74% in Wayne and he has a pretty substantial raw # of votes lead with 92% reporting) but I'm not sure it is.

Edit: I also appreciate that Betfair allows you to bet on Pence or Hillary Clinton being president for some huge returns.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
November 04 2020 17:30 GMT
#2082
On November 05 2020 02:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Miami had about 25% mail in votes not sent in to the elections office. Literally just sitting there. FL and their fuckery is never surprising.

I thought I read something yesterday that all outstanding ballots were delivered by USPS before yesterday evening, were those OTHER ballots ?
NoiR
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 04 2020 17:32 GMT
#2083
On November 05 2020 02:07 Nevuk wrote:
It's always amusing to see that line about Harris, which puts her to left of Warren and Sanders. She didn't run on that in her campaign for a reason : it's unbelievable on its face.


There are a variety of sources that either put her at the top or firmly in the top 85th percentile.

See: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2019/senate/ideology (#1)
https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?topic=&house=senate&sort=overall-lifetime&order=down&party= (9 or 10)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/kamala-harris-most-liberal-senator-fact-check/index.html

To act like she's not incredibly progressive belies the facts.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 04 2020 17:34 GMT
#2084
The 85th most progressive out of a tiny, 100 population size? Count me convinced. She's a real gh.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
November 04 2020 17:35 GMT
#2085
On November 05 2020 02:30 Nouar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 02:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Miami had about 25% mail in votes not sent in to the elections office. Literally just sitting there. FL and their fuckery is never surprising.

I thought I read something yesterday that all outstanding ballots were delivered by USPS before yesterday evening, were those OTHER ballots ?


So... what if the pollsters were right and the only reason it wasn't a landslide is the vast amount of fuckery in states the Democrats should've won. That's kinda hard to get out of a poll.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43990 Posts
November 04 2020 17:35 GMT
#2086
On November 05 2020 02:32 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2020 02:07 Nevuk wrote:
It's always amusing to see that line about Harris, which puts her to left of Warren and Sanders. She didn't run on that in her campaign for a reason : it's unbelievable on its face.


There are a variety of sources that either put her at the top or firmly in the top 85th percentile.

See: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2019/senate/ideology (#1)
https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?topic=&house=senate&sort=overall-lifetime&order=down&party= (9 or 10)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/kamala-harris-most-liberal-senator-fact-check/index.html

To act like she's not incredibly progressive belies the facts.

Govtrack lists her as 4th, not 1st, if you go to their main rankings page on the website. You have to specifically enter the url that takes you to the archived graph for 2019 only to get it to show her as 1st. It also doesn’t measure leftism.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8082 Posts
November 04 2020 17:37 GMT
#2087
Pennsylvania at +8 Trump with 80% counted. Looks like Biden could take the state convincingly if the spread keeps narrowing at that rate.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 04 2020 17:38 GMT
#2088
On November 05 2020 02:34 Nevuk wrote:
The 85th most progressive out of a tiny, 100 population size? Count me convinced. She's a real gh.


Do you know what percentile means?
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8082 Posts
November 04 2020 17:42 GMT
#2089
The spoiler disinformation banner on Trump's tweets on twitter are really satisfying. I wonder if they won't ban him after the election. That would make my day, but I guess they'll never have the balls.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45937 Posts
November 04 2020 17:43 GMT
#2090
On November 05 2020 02:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:
The spoiler disinformation banner on Trump's tweets on twitter are really satisfying. I wonder if they won't ban him after the election. That would make my day, but I guess they'll never have the balls.


Is Trump continuing to freak out?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 04 2020 17:43 GMT
#2091
Doubt they would do that. If Biden wins I can totally see Trump going on the warpath and trying to pull a Grover Cleveland in 2024.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 04 2020 17:46 GMT
#2092
Percent counted seems to be nebulous enough as to be unreliable. Thinking a Biden win seems solid enough to be a comfortable assumption, tenuous enough as to spawn a permanent "stolen election" support base for Trump.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 17:47:20
November 04 2020 17:47 GMT
#2093
If peters can hold the Senate is not done just yet. It would be long odds but if they can snag NC or Maine and win the GA runoff we at 50 50. Not impossible but not looking good
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 04 2020 17:47 GMT
#2094
On November 05 2020 02:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Doubt they would do that. If Biden wins I can totally see Trump going on the warpath and trying to pull a Grover Cleveland in 2024.

When Trump loses, he's not going to have time to campaign.

He has so many legal battles ahead of him personally, criminally at the state and federal level, and many civil suits he's slowed due to being president (Summer Zervos, the rape case where's refused to provide dna, etc.).

The news that Deutsche bank is going to recall all of his loans if he loses means that even if those wouldn't take up his time, he may wind up literally homeless. It's also an amount I don't think he can recover on gofundme or his fans donations (400-500 million).
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 04 2020 17:47 GMT
#2095
On November 05 2020 02:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Doubt they would do that. If Biden wins I can totally see Trump going on the warpath and trying to pull a Grover Cleveland in 2024.


The problem is Grover Cleveland was incredibly popular (and also one of the best President's the US has ever had while Trump....ya...not so much). Trump isn't going to run in 2024 (he'll also be nearly 80 then).
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
November 04 2020 17:48 GMT
#2096
I wonder if Trump's cries of fraud might lead to investigations that end up exposing Republican fraud.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
November 04 2020 17:48 GMT
#2097
On November 05 2020 02:47 Shingi11 wrote:
If peters can hold the Senate is not done just yet. It would be long odds but if they can snag NC or Maine and win the GA runoff we at 50 50. Not impossible but not looking good


Yeah, we might actually see the merits of ranked choice in Maine. Pretty nuts.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1070 Posts
November 04 2020 17:49 GMT
#2098
I'm glad to see the record turnout. No matter how it turns out, it's a good sign.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 04 2020 17:49 GMT
#2099
There's also a huge difference between a 51-49 GOP senate and a 53-47 senate. In the first, they can't even grant Collins, Romney, or Murkowski their token "moderate" votes.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 04 2020 17:50 GMT
#2100
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